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[AkodoRyu]

LOL That 66h playtime might be mine. I was afking. A lot. Ah, no, that was ME1.

Speaking about Kaidan saving Shepard reminds of this scene...
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Modifié par AkodoRyu, 06 septembre 2010 - 10:19 .

[Reverie]

I just think that a lot of these "stats" are just a platform for them to go further into the shooter game territory.

Modifié par Reverie, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[fortunesque]

I'll have to disagree with what someone said about Horizon and that you could really tell his emotions by his animations and that it was good.... The animations for Horizon are some of the jankiest and laziest in the whole game.



I think it boils down to this:

The people that liked ME2 view this interview as a good thing. The people like me that didn't like ME2 look at this interview and see the inevitable conclusion that it's just going to be more of the same stuff that we didn't like.

[sapphyreelf]

I know my boyfriend spent close to 55 hours in his one and only playthrough of ME2. Which involved quite a few alt-tabbed moments when he just left the game running while he checked something else out online.

@Fort: Of course people are going to read into what they want, but they don't conclusively show that BW is going to just give those who don't fit those statistical demographics the big giant finger and ignore them.

And here's a Kaidan - on account of this being a thread about him.

Modifié par sapphyreelf, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:15 .

[fortunesque]

I'm simply picking a likely outcome from the information that I've gathered and how it pertains to me/my game. Every interview I've read and things I've seen and experienced in the game point to more of what I didn't like and less of what I did like, including Kaidan.

Edit: I don't mean to sound combative; I know some of you really liked ME2. It just isn't a game that I enjoyed much at all so that's why my opinion might differ.  

Modifié par fortunesque, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:32 .

[Chignon]

A new sketch and something I think we might need (possibly as an in-game option, please ):

Modifié par Chignon, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:54 .

[sagefic]

Chignon wrote...

A new sketch and something I think we might need (possibly as an in-game option, please ):

nice!

i'll say it again, chignon, i love your femshep - she's so unique and very cute (which is not something i often associate with femshep, but there you go)

ya know, i take it for granted that ME3 will not have everything i want. but it will likely have a lot of things that i DO like that i didn't even know i wanted or should ask for until i'm given them.

i just want kaidan back, horizon dealt with somehow, and a shep-ends-up-with-LI happy ending. there are many ways i'd love to see that happen, but thar you go.

[fortunesque]

sagequeen wrote...

ya know, i take it for granted that ME3 will not have everything i want. but it will likely have a lot of things that i DO like that i didn't even know i wanted or should ask for until i'm given them.

i just want kaidan back, horizon dealt with somehow, and a shep-ends-up-with-LI happy ending. there are many ways i'd love to see that happen, but thar you go.

This is how I see it too. Honestly, I'd play through hours of combat that I might not enjoy if they finish up stuff with Kaidan in a satisfactory manner as a squadmate. He's one of the few things left in the series that I really like. 

[Aslanasadi]

Chignon wrote...

A new sketch and something I think we might need (possibly as an in-game option, please ):

Just sneaking here, before I go to sleep....
@ Chignon I love your sketches...keep on drawing 

[syllogi]

Gwen Shepard is just *frustrated* at this point. If she knew some DLC was coming, she might cool down a bit...

[Chignon]

TeenZombie, Gwen is stunning in that dress! I always thought my Shep looked a bit awkward in it.

sagequeen wrote...

nice!

i'll say it again, chignon, i love your femshep - she's so unique and very cute (which is not something i often associate with femshep, but there you go)

Thanks, sagequeen!

Brodyaha wrote...
@Chignon--your drawing is awesome and uplifting too.

I'm glad you think it is uplifting.

Aslanasadi wrote...
@ Chignon I love your sketches...keep on drawing 

Thank you, I will!

[PopDisaster]

sagequeen wrote...

 wait now, hudson said:

"BioWare found that only 15% of conversations were skipped inMass Effect 2, with the rate higher in non-critical moments like in the hub worlds and much lower later in the game at the climax. "If we found that 80% or 90% of the lines were being skipped, we would have to reevaluate the work that we were putting into the digital acting." 

so that says to me that they are taking dialog seriously. and they did do less talking heads and more cinematically. so maybe that's what they mean? i think the response to Liara DLC will be telling, because that is supposed to be dialog heavy. maybe we need a "Save the Dialog" thread.

I don't really like this idea at all. How are all of these going to be interpreted?

This stat seems a bit useless to me... do they take into account, players who have played through multiple times? I skipped ALOT of dialog in my 3rd/4th playthroughs. Also, there are times when I'm talking to someone and I miss something...maybe my dog was barking or someone in the house dropped something...anything could happen. So I'll talk to that person again and skip the parts I just heard. Is that taken into account? Or maybe I'm running around and accidently hit the "talk button"  to someone that I've already talked to and so I just skip it.

Non-critical moments? So does that tell the devs that if it's not important to the telling of the story or if it's unexciting, then cut it? OR does this mean that they will try to make ALL the dialog more exciting and bring new features like interrupts (which i really enjoyed) into the game?

And about the paramour achievement, even though I was curious about Garrus and Thane, I made sure that I purposfully did not get that one. It's the only one I'm missing in the whole game.

My problem with this is, I'm not sure if they're going to use this data to try and improve everything or use it to decide where to cut corners. =/

[Jade5233]

Brodyaha wrote...

I liked both games. I've had a lot of time to replay ME1 this summer, and got back interested into the game after ME2. So, I can't say ME2 is bad because it got me into this obsessive ME funk.

My opinion is more in-depth in the KAAS. But what I love about ME1 is the character dialogues, the banter, the little things like seeing the Normandy descend onto the Virmire bomb site. Or my FemShep getting comforted by Kaidan.

If I wanted to play a full-put shooter, I would play....heck, I don't know, because I ME2 is about the only game I've played with shooting in it. Played a bit of Halo, but that was for five minutes.

But BioWare is known for its great stories and writing; WHY would they want to diminish the dialogue in future games to be like other companies out there? Future RPG choices? Because of stupid statistics?

Take the ME2 Paramour achivement, in which BW stated that they wanted to see how many people cheated on their ME1 love interests. My Renegade FemShep cheated on Kaidan with Garrus. Does that mean I dislike Kaidan now? Heck no; he's still one of my favourite characters, out of ME1 AND ME2. My Paragade stayed faithful to him. And I'm retconning her and will still stay faithful. By the time I'm done, I migh put over 100 hours into her character. But I guess that won't be taken into account. Nor the fact that if I'm playing an RPG with different outcomes, I like having the ability to experience all those different outcomes.

Or even if you start a clean playthrough of ME2, and romance somebody else; you can still get the Paramour achievement. Will BW take that into account? Had I known that BW was going to use my playthroughs against me, I wouldn't have chosen Garrus or any other love interests. Wish I'd joined the forum sooner.

I just don't like corporations trying to get information out of me, and companies trying to use that information against me in a game.

/rant.

Sorry this post is disjointed and not really about Kaidan.  Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions?
P.S: @ sage--I'd support a "save the dialogue," thread.

Its not really the Paramour achievement.  Its more the metrics of how many times each character gets romanced or something.  I thought it was just the achievement at first as well.  But that message I got from Evil Chris seemed to indicate that the metrics went into more detail than that.
TOTALLY not fair to Kaidan.  yeah.  So he has the lowest LI metrics in ME2.  Well, less than half of the time he survives Virmire.  And then you can't really romance him in ME2.  You can only NOT romance someone else!
I cry foul! 

Fort

sagequeen wrote...

ya know, i take it for granted that ME3 will not have everything i want. but it will likely have a lot of things that i DO like that i didn't even know i wanted or should ask for until i'm given them.

i just want kaidan back, horizon dealt with somehow, and a shep-ends-up-with-LI happy ending. there are many ways i'd love to see that happen, but thar you go.

This is how I see it too. Honestly, I'd play through hours of combat that I might not enjoy if they finish up stuff with Kaidan in a satisfactory manner as a squadmate. He's one of the few things left in the series that I really like. 

Wait.  Is that something somewhat positive coming from you, Fort?   


Just finished Virmire with my mShep.  Poor Ash.  But the whole thing just seems to be missing something for me with mShep rather than FemShep.  And when Saren holds him up by the throat--it just seems more epic when femShep decks him, then rescues the love of her life.

[siriusrambles]

PopDisaster wrote...
My problem with this is, I'm not sure if they're going to use this data to try and improve everything or use it to decide where to cut corners. =/

kaidan's words are apropos:  The point of all this--I guess—is that when you cut corners, it’s not always obvious who pays for it.

[NICKjnp]

Jade5233 wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

I liked both games. I've had a lot of time to replay ME1 this summer, and got back interested into the game after ME2. So, I can't say ME2 is bad because it got me into this obsessive ME funk.

My opinion is more in-depth in the KAAS. But what I love about ME1 is the character dialogues, the banter, the little things like seeing the Normandy descend onto the Virmire bomb site. Or my FemShep getting comforted by Kaidan.

If I wanted to play a full-put shooter, I would play....heck, I don't know, because I ME2 is about the only game I've played with shooting in it. Played a bit of Halo, but that was for five minutes.

But BioWare is known for its great stories and writing; WHY would they want to diminish the dialogue in future games to be like other companies out there? Future RPG choices? Because of stupid statistics?

Take the ME2 Paramour achivement, in which BW stated that they wanted to see how many people cheated on their ME1 love interests. My Renegade FemShep cheated on Kaidan with Garrus. Does that mean I dislike Kaidan now? Heck no; he's still one of my favourite characters, out of ME1 AND ME2. My Paragade stayed faithful to him. And I'm retconning her and will still stay faithful. By the time I'm done, I migh put over 100 hours into her character. But I guess that won't be taken into account. Nor the fact that if I'm playing an RPG with different outcomes, I like having the ability to experience all those different outcomes.

Or even if you start a clean playthrough of ME2, and romance somebody else; you can still get the Paramour achievement. Will BW take that into account? Had I known that BW was going to use my playthroughs against me, I wouldn't have chosen Garrus or any other love interests. Wish I'd joined the forum sooner.

I just don't like corporations trying to get information out of me, and companies trying to use that information against me in a game.

/rant.

Sorry this post is disjointed and not really about Kaidan.  Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions?
P.S: @ sage--I'd support a "save the dialogue," thread.

Its not really the Paramour achievement.  Its more the metrics of how many times each character gets romanced or something.  I thought it was just the achievement at first as well.  But that message I got from Evil Chris seemed to indicate that the metrics went into more detail than that.
TOTALLY not fair to Kaidan.  yeah.  So he has the lowest LI metrics in ME2.  Well, less than half of the time he survives Virmire.  And then you can't really romance him in ME2.  You can only NOT romance someone else!
I cry foul! 

Fort

sagequeen wrote...

ya know, i take it for granted that ME3 will not have everything i want. but it will likely have a lot of things that i DO like that i didn't even know i wanted or should ask for until i'm given them.

i just want kaidan back, horizon dealt with somehow, and a shep-ends-up-with-LI happy ending. there are many ways i'd love to see that happen, but thar you go.

This is how I see it too. Honestly, I'd play through hours of combat that I might not enjoy if they finish up stuff with Kaidan in a satisfactory manner as a squadmate. He's one of the few things left in the series that I really like. 

Wait.  Is that something somewhat positive coming from you, Fort?   


Just finished Virmire with my mShep.  Poor Ash.  But the whole thing just seems to be missing something for me with mShep rather than FemShep.  And when Saren holds him up by the throat--it just seems more epic when femShep decks him, then rescues the love of her life.

Unless of course you play a mShep and rescue Ash and she is the love of your life. 

[Chignon]

siriusrambles wrote...

PopDisaster wrote...
My problem with this is, I'm not sure if they're going to use this data to try and improve everything or use it to decide where to cut corners. =/

kaidan's words are apropos:  The point of all this--I guess—is that when you cut corners, it’s not always obvious who pays for it.

How ... ironic.

Jade5233 wrote...

Its not really the Paramour achievement.  Its more the metrics of how many times each character gets romanced or something.  I thought it was just the achievement at first as well.  But that message I got from Evil Chris seemed to indicate that the metrics went into more detail than that.
TOTALLY not fair to Kaidan.  yeah.  So he has the lowest LI metrics in ME2.  Well, less than half of the time he survives Virmire.  And then you can't really romance him in ME2.  You can only NOT romance someone else!
I cry foul! 

Of course it's not fair. How can anyone expect fair treatment when things like this are said:
"I also think that some of the very same people who are worried that their love interest from the first one won't be a squad member will probably end up cheating on their love interest from Mass Effect 1 anyway," said Hudson. "The ones in Mass Effect 2 are really compelling."

Seeing some of the crap Casey sprouted before ME2 was released in hindsight, I wouldn't believe him if he swore by all that is holy that Kaidan's romance would come to a satisfying conclusion.

[NICKjnp]

Kaidan, Ash and Liara will all be in ME3 (if they lived through Virmire). I wouldn't worry too much about it. I would be more concerned about decisions from ME1 being in ME3 since they announced ME2 and 3 being on the PS3 but not ME1.

[fortunesque]

Jade5233 wrote...

Wait.  Is that something somewhat positive coming from you, Fort?   

Don't hold your breath; I'm still probably buying ME3 used. 

PopDisaster wrote...


My problem with this is, I'm not sure if they're going to use this data to try and improve everything or use it to decide where to cut corners. =/

This is exactly my concern. It's common sense to appeal to the highest denominator and skimp on the parts that most won't use. As a female/rpg person/Kaidan fan, I'm pretty damn far down on the list. 

[Jade5233]

Chignon wrote...

Of course it's not fair. How can anyone expect fair treatment when things like this are said:
"I also think that some of the very same people who are worried that their love interest from the first one won't be a squad member will probably end up cheating on their love interest from Mass Effect 1 anyway," said Hudson. "The ones in Mass Effect 2 are really compelling."

Seeing some of the crap Casey sprouted before ME2 was released in hindsight, I wouldn't believe him if he swore by all that is holy that Kaidan's romance would come to a satisfying conclusion

I think we here are evidence to the contrary.

Fort
This is exactly my concern. It's common sense to appeal to the highest denominator and skimp on the parts that most won't use. As a female/rpg person/Kaidan fan, I'm pretty damn far down on the list. 

All the more reason to continue to increase our being vocal about being fans of the original LI's.

  Nick
Unless of course you play a mShep and rescue Ash and she is the love of your life. 

Of course

[NICKjnp]

TeenZombie wrote...

Gwen Shepard is just *frustrated* at this point. If she knew some DLC was coming, she might cool down a bit...

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[Jade5233]

Hey! Sirius is back *waves*

[Nightodie]

fortunesque wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Wait.  Is that something somewhat positive coming from you, Fort?   

Don't hold your breath; I'm still probably buying ME3 used. 

PopDisaster wrote...


My problem with this is, I'm not sure if they're going to use this data to try and improve everything or use it to decide where to cut corners. =/

This is exactly my concern. It's common sense to appeal to the highest denominator and skimp on the parts that most won't use. As a female/rpg person/Kaidan fan, I'm pretty damn far down on the list. 

I am surprised you're feeling positive Fort, maybe it's something you ate?

I believe you guys have hit the nail on the head... I think the data is more likely to be used to cut corners... which doesn't bode well for us female players getting our femininity back in ME3 since the stat's said most played as male...
This is not looking promising for Kaidan or us....






Oh and I don't want to bother anyone who isn't interested but Panoplied Chapter 16 is up...


I really need to be here more often...

Modifié par Nightodie, 06 septembre 2010 - 10:26 .

[fortunesque]

A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist. Ash said that and I agree with her. I'm not negative; I'm basing my opinion on what I think is the most likely outcome.