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XX55XX wrote...

Kaidan mystifies me somehow.

Personally, he is one of my least-liked characters in Mass Effect. I don't hate him or anything, and please don't take my judgement of him too harshly, but what makes him so appealing? I notice that many of the people who give a "10" in my character survey polls tend to be females. Is it because all of the other female-oriented love interests (Garrus et al) aren't all that great or anything, and Kaidan is the only "normal" guy out of all of them?


This is something I wrote a while ago about why I like Kaidan, and while I probably have even more to say about him, I'm not that eloquent tonight, so I'll cheat and quote myself:

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Why I Like Kaidan (a wall of text by TeenZombie)

As a player, I enjoy making characters who are "normal" people, by background, but kick behind and overcome odds because they are good at what they do.  Tragic backgrounds can be cool too, but I'm not interested in roleplaying half-demons, half-angels, "chosen ones", or the like.  A person who becomes great because they do great things, not because of what they are, is most interesting to me.  

Thus, a character like Kaidan, who is "just" a soldier who is dedicated to his job, and loves what he does and does it well, is right up my alley.  Kaidan doesn't brag about his past, or complains about it, but he will tell you about Jump Zero to illustrate why he is worried about Shepard, and the status of the current mission.  He has always been reserved, and held back when it came to his powers as a biotic, but on this mission, when it really counts, he will give it everything he has.  He is also the most "paragon" party member in ME1, and I like to play do-gooders, and appreciate the fact that Kaidan is very stable, responsible, and decent.  Add to that some nice looking pixels and a great voice actor, and I was hooked in the first game.  

For my main Shep, Kaidan was perfect, and though a part of me was resigned to the fact that one of the ME2 LIs might tempt me away, it just made sense for her to wait for him.  That my other Shepards have not taken a new lover is totally meta, my renegade Jayna Shepard would definitely sex up Jacob if I let her, purely as a booty call.  But I'm not getting the Paramour achievement anytime soon, so too bad for her.  *evil laugh* 


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Thats the reason I destroy the data in Kasumi's dlc. My Shepard does not want incriminating evidence against the Alliance floating around when she has to try and unite the galaxy against the Reapers.

I got the impression that the Cerberus person Anderson met up with was one of the Normandy crew - possibly Ken. I really think that the Alliance are sitting back and letting Shepard and Cerberus do all the wet work because their hands are tied by the Council in terms of what they can and can't get away with and where they can and can't go.

As for Kaidan, I think the Alliance will lose their shine in his eyes once he learns of some things but I don't see him quitting. He strikes me as more of a person who would stay to try and make things right within the Alliance, to make a difference.

There's a guy in the mess that has short reddish hair that could possibly be Anderson's contact as well.

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I highly suspect that Anderson has acquired the VS as his secret agent that is searching for as much info as possible on the Reapers so that there can be eventual evidence that convince the Council of their existence. And someone high up in the Alliance (Hackett is most likely) has pulled the strings to get it done and keep the VS extremely secret.

I hope so.

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I think Fort. Fire, and Teen pretty much summed up the reasons we like Kaidan. As for the love interest side of things I just liked how the Kaidan romance built up. For me, the femShep options in ME2 feel more like booty calls than anything else with the way they were written, but thats just my opinion.

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XX55XX wrote...

Kaidan mystifies me somehow.

Personally, he is one of my least-liked characters in Mass Effect. I don't hate him or anything, and please don't take my judgement of him too harshly, but what makes him so appealing? I notice that many of the people who give a "10" in my character survey polls tend to be females. Is it because all of the other female-oriented love interests (Garrus et al) aren't all that great or anything, and Kaidan is the only "normal" guy out of all of them?

Wait!  I have our collective responses to that here somewhere...
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Things that are awesome in anyone:
*people who are mature, who know who they are and yet can respect where other people are coming from
*people who aren't afraid to tell you when they think you're wrong or perhaps about to go wrong, but give advice out of a desire to help, not lord it over you
*people who can get the job done, but don't need to take credit for it, people who are smart, but don't feel the need to brag about it
*people who watch out for others around them
*people who know when the rules are there for a reason, but can see why they might need to be bent or broken
*people who generally try to do the right thing, not because of some code or sense of needing to make up for a past mistake, but just because they want to do what's right
*people who can respect the hard decision, but try to always find the right way out

so add to that kaidan being cute, deadly in a fight, having interesting powers and having learned to deal with them as a matter of course, and shyly interested in shep and you have *ding ding ding!* a winner for an LI in my book.

i love other BW LIs, i do, but kaidan is just so dang *HUMAN* - as in, nothing really jaw-droppingly odd in his past, but he'd just...cool. like someone you'd be glad to have on your team.

for me, i'll be completely honest. in way, i think for the way femshep comes off in game, garrus is a better "fit" for her. before you strike me with the blasphemy rod, i'm just saying that for pure, unadulterated, in-your-face badassness, femshep and garrus seem like this perfect pair. i felt that from the very first, that they were sort of a match.

BUT for some reason, i love the fact that kaidan *doesn't* quite fit her - that he and femshep have some things in common, somethings not. i mean, this can totally go multiple ways depending on the femshep and how you role play it, but truly, i feel like garrus is more like who a matchmaker would set femshep up with. and somehow, i love pairing off shep and kaidan, because in a way they don't perfectly fit and they draw each other out of this shell. i felt like garrus doesn't really ever call femshep on her crap (of which, i felt like there is definitely moments where she is in the wrong), and kaidan does. it's like, kaidan and femshep sometimes bump into each other (sexually and metaphorically speaking) and that's what makes them this really interesting, awkward, real sort of relationship, rather than the pure fantasy of a perfect match.

my 2 cents and wall o' text, anyhow.
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Jade5233 wrote...

First and foremost, Kaidan's character is just a good person.  He is always trying to do the right thing.  But he's not a drone to duty although he usually follows protocol.  He speaks his mind to his superior officer to help give guidance but does it respectfully.  And he will do what is right even when it conflicts with his duty.
He has morals.
He's a strong character and doesn't need anyone to fix him or to do something for him.  He never really asks anything of Shepard.  He's there to help and support his commander.
He's a paradox.  He's sweet and shy and gentle, yet he's this deadly kick-butt soldier.
The night before Ilos (well, and on Horizon in a different sense) you get to see his passionate side.  Its there, its just usually so carefully controlled most of the time.  I love that look of adoration in his eyes when he looks at Shepard in that scene.
Then there's the icing on the cake--his sexy voice, his brown eyes that sometimes show amber hues, his sweet little smiles, the body...
I do love that Kaidan is so idealistic.
Some of his comments/observation when you click on him are just so adorable because they are just so...sweet?  innocent?  Even a bit naieve despite his years of experience and what happened at BAaT. 
At times it makes him seem much younger than his 32 years. 

Its both too bad to see the loss of that in ME2 and probably also somewhat good for the character's growth overall.
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And, in basic terms, we like Kaidan because he's a nice, stable, romantic, kick-ass marine who supports his superior officer, has a sneaky-awesome sense of humor, and looks really good in his uniform. (He's a loyal friend and good back-up for a male-Shep or non-romanced femShep too.) Plus, he has a spectacular voice actor portraying him. Which two of those were the only ones you counted? ^_~
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Why I Like Kaidan (a wall of text by TeenZombie)

As a player, I enjoy making characters who are "normal" people, by background, but kick behind and overcome odds because they are good at what they do.  Tragic backgrounds can be cool too, but I'm not interested in roleplaying half-demons, half-angels, "chosen ones", or the like.  A person who becomes great because they do great things, not because of what they are, is most interesting to me. 

Thus, a character like Kaidan, who is "just" a soldier who is dedicated to his job, and loves what he does and does it well, is right up my alley.  Kaidan doesn't brag about his past, or complains about it, but he will tell you about Jump Zero to illustrate why he is worried about Shepard, and the status of the current mission.  He has always been reserved, and held back when it came to his powers as a biotic, but on this mission, when it really counts, he will give it everything he has.  He is also the most "paragon" party member in ME1, and I like to play do-gooders, and appreciate the fact that Kaidan is very stable, responsible, and decent.  Add to that some nice looking pixels and a great voice actor, and I was hooked in the first game. 

For my main Shep, Kaidan was perfect, and though a part of me was resigned to the fact that one of the ME2 LIs might tempt me away, it just made sense for her to wait for him.  That my other Shepards have not taken a new lover is totally meta, my renegade Jayna Shepard would definitely sex up Jacob if I let her, purely as a booty call.  But I'm not getting the Paramour achievement anytime soon, so too bad for her.  *evil laugh* 
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I'm not as devoted to him as most of those who post here, but I say this:
I like him, because he's a good guy, a good friend if you persue that path. He's human - as in he's not perfect, made mistakes and (has to) live(s) with them. He's also not "overdone", if you know what I mean. He's a friend to me....which is why Virmire wasn't easy
The women in here may like other things, give you a more detailed explanation as to why they likeh im, but that's it for me.
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As to why I like Kaidan, Aslan summed it up pretty nicely. He's the guy you can depend on, who looks after you as much as you do with him. He cares for you, worries about you and has no problems voicing his opinions or standing up to the great Shepard. I like his calm and loyalty as well and the respect he shows you.
Other than that, I adore the conversations  where he messes up and blurts out what he feels. He's gentle and cute but can kick some serious ass as well. I can go on and on really lol Kaidan is the guy you invest in, the one you take home to meet your parents...you know, the good kind ;)

EDIT:  Oops.  TZ already posted hers.

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There's a ME character survey, for those of you who never leave this thread and just hit refresh like me

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fortunesque wrote...

There's a ME character survey, for those of you who never leave this thread and just hit refresh like me

LOL, you can tell some of us have been filling this out because the last few entries have been specifying Kaidan as the best romantic encounter. =p

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Lol. I guess so. I'll pass it along to other hermits that I know XD

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sesheta255 wrote...

I think Fort. Fire, and Teen pretty much summed up the reasons we like Kaidan. As for the love interest side of things I just liked how the Kaidan romance built up. For me, the femShep options in ME2 feel more like booty calls than anything else with the way they were written, but thats just my opinion.

Perhaps a little less so with Thane (from what I've seen on youtube.  None of my m or femSheps are romancing any of those ME2 characters!).  That one seemed to have a little more heart.  But otherwise I agree.  Certainly none of the romances hold a candle to the lovely way that the friendship between Shepard and Kaidan is built and then turns into more.  Posted Image

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Gilsa wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

There's a ME character survey, for those of you who never leave this thread and just hit refresh like me

LOL, you can tell some of us have been filling this out because the last few entries have been specifying Kaidan as the best romantic encounter. =p



:whistle:

I have nothing to do with that ... I swear it...

Oh crap...ok, I confess...:o

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Well, maybe the reason I don't like him all that much is because I'm a guy, and well, guys like me tend to gravitate towards LIs like Liara and Tali and "interesting/humourous/cool" characters like Mordin, Joker, and Garrus.

I respect your opinions, ladies. I can see why you guys like Kaidan. But, for me, video characters really need to have that "spike" to them if I am to like them in any way whatsoever.

And you guys didn't know a survey was on? A thread concerning the survey has been floating around for the last three days now...

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A lot of us stay here because you can't really go out into the forums without seeing some form of Kaidan bashing.

Also, I find that I generally end up liking the opposite characters of the norm. And I generally end up hating the characters that everyone else adores. *shrug* I dunno why this is.:?

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A "spike"? I don't quite get what you mean.



But sometime put ME1 on casual or normal. Go into a den with Kaidan and another character and watch him kick butt. He's taken out Collosi (is that the plural of Collosus?) and whole bunkers of geth before I even have a chance to get to them. Kaidan's got plenty of kick to him.

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I spend more time in the DA forums. When I swing by ME, I check FemShep and Kaidan threads mainly. Sometimes I wander. I do my heaviest browsing when a DLC gets released or when there's news just so I can get a bigger picture of how the community feels. I enjoyed reading the reactions in the Liara thread when Shadowbroker came out. Felt some sorrow for the Thane thread when the romancers found the letter in his dossier. You get the idea. ;)

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Jade5233 wrote...

A "spike"? I don't quite get what you mean.

But sometime put ME1 on casual or normal. Go into a den with Kaidan and another character and watch him kick butt. He's taken out Collosi (is that the plural of Collosus?) and whole bunkers of geth before I even have a chance to get to them. Kaidan's got plenty of kick to him.


A defining quality, in other words. Kaidan's defining qualities are kind of "mundane" and don't really strike unless you think about the character. Compare that with either Garrus or Mordin. Those guys have immediately recognizable personalities and traits.

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Jade5233 wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

I think Fort. Fire, and Teen pretty much summed up the reasons we like Kaidan. As for the love interest side of things I just liked how the Kaidan romance built up. For me, the femShep options in ME2 feel more like booty calls than anything else with the way they were written, but thats just my opinion.

Perhaps a little less so with Thane (from what I've seen on youtube.  None of my m or femSheps are romancing any of those ME2 characters!).  That one seemed to have a little more heart.  But otherwise I agree.  Certainly none of the romances hold a candle to the lovely way that the friendship between Shepard and Kaidan is built and then turns into more.  Posted Image


Thane is the only character in ME2 that made me hesitate about keeping my Shep loyal to Kaidan.

But at the end, I stay faithfull to Kaidan.

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XX55XX wrote...

Well, maybe the reason I don't like him all that much is because I'm a guy, and well, guys like me tend to gravitate towards LIs like Liara and Tali and "interesting/humourous/cool" characters like Mordin, Joker, and Garrus.

I respect your opinions, ladies. I can see why you guys like Kaidan. But, for me, video characters really need to have that "spike" to them if I am to like them in any way whatsoever.

And you guys didn't know a survey was on? A thread concerning the survey has been floating around for the last three days now...


You left out Morinth... your results are not accurate.

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NICKjnp wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Well, maybe the reason I don't like him all that much is because I'm a guy, and well, guys like me tend to gravitate towards LIs like Liara and Tali and "interesting/humourous/cool" characters like Mordin, Joker, and Garrus.

I respect your opinions, ladies. I can see why you guys like Kaidan. But, for me, video characters really need to have that "spike" to them if I am to like them in any way whatsoever.

And you guys didn't know a survey was on? A thread concerning the survey has been floating around for the last three days now...


You left out Morinth... your results are not accurate.


I left her out for obvious reasons. She was a sort of filler character that no one cared much for. All previous surveys put her on the bottom of the heap across the board. Hence, I doubt the community is interested in any numbers concerning her.

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Personally, I think the fact that Kaidan's so normal despite his strange life says a lot about him.

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XX55XX wrote...

Well, maybe the reason I don't like him all that much is because I'm a guy, and well, guys like me tend to gravitate towards LIs like Liara and Tali and "interesting/humourous/cool" characters like Mordin, Joker, and Garrus.

I respect your opinions, ladies. I can see why you guys like Kaidan. But, for me, video characters really need to have that "spike" to them if I am to like them in any way whatsoever.

And you guys didn't know a survey was on? A thread concerning the survey has been floating around for the last three days now...


I think that Kaidan is more like Liara and Tali than any other male character.  He is interested in seeking knowledge, as evidenced by his tech and medic skills (despite being a biotic who doesn't need to learn these things to be useful), and he is sensitive, reserved, except with those he cares about, and kind of nerdy.  Sound familiar?  So it's an interesting thing that his gender makes those traits that make Liara and Tali attractive make him seem weak and whiny compared to other males in the game (to some people).

He's definitely not for everyone, especially as a romance option, but if you enjoy "subtle" female characters, why dismiss male characters who seem "under the radar" out of hand?

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fortunesque wrote...

Personally, I think the fact that Kaidan's so normal despite his strange life says a lot about him.


Indeed. It takes a special eye to appreciate that. Unfortunately, for me and so many others, our biases have prevented us from fully appreciating his character. He's not a badass like Garrus or Wrex are, so hence, characters like him tend to get overlooked. Unless they are female, of course.

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TeenZombie wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Well, maybe the reason I don't like him all that much is because I'm a guy, and well, guys like me tend to gravitate towards LIs like Liara and Tali and "interesting/humourous/cool" characters like Mordin, Joker, and Garrus.

I respect your opinions, ladies. I can see why you guys like Kaidan. But, for me, video characters really need to have that "spike" to them if I am to like them in any way whatsoever.

And you guys didn't know a survey was on? A thread concerning the survey has been floating around for the last three days now...


I think that Kaidan is more like Liara and Tali than any other male character.  He is interested in seeking knowledge, as evidenced by his tech and medic skills (despite being a biotic who doesn't need to learn these things to be useful), and he is sensitive, reserved, except with those he cares about, and kind of nerdy.  Sound familiar?  So it's an interesting thing that his gender makes those traits that make Liara and Tali attractive make him seem weak and whiny compared to other males in the game (to some people).

He's definitely not for everyone, especially as a romance option, but if you enjoy "subtle" female characters, why dismiss male characters who seem "under the radar" out of hand?


You are absolutely correct. It's just because he's male and well, unless a male character is totally badass, they tend to get overlooked by us. It's a cultural bias on our part. Girls with a nerd chic are cool, guys with a nerd chic are not.

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Hmm... I beg to differ. Nerd chic guys are cool. This is why we're all KAidan fans. ;)

By the way, I have found that if you take Kaidan around with Wrex or sometimes Garrus in the party, you can get KAidan saying the "newbie" parts of the ME1 squaddie banter. For best results, roll a femshep, pair Kaidan with Ashley, Garrus after Virmire, and don't be afraid of the neutral or even renegade convo options (unless they are the "shut up" ones). I did that and found KAidan had a lot more interesting things to say than i would have guessed.

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If you take Kaidan and Wrex on Ilos, it's very interesting. Wrex is the one to freak out. I loled.

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XX55XX wrote...

You are absolutely correct. It's just because he's male and well, unless a male character is totally badass, they tend to get overlooked by us. It's a cultural bias on our part. Girls with a nerd chic are cool, guys with a nerd chic are not.


There are plenty of guys who like Kaidan as a bromance (and a romance).  And as geeky as he can be, he's got an edge to him.  He's as much a marine as Ashley is, he's just more experienced and doesn't feel the need to seek anyone else's approval (confidence - I forgot the confidence).

Personally I tend to think he's more badass than Garrus, but I have a skewed perspective of the word "badass" that may not be with the times.  Badass is not the "in your face, something to prove" of today's media.  Wrex is badass.  Kaidan is badass.  Garrus is edgy, which is okay if you're into that.

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XX55XX wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

A "spike"? I don't quite get what you mean.

But sometime put ME1 on casual or normal. Go into a den with Kaidan and another character and watch him kick butt. He's taken out Collosi (is that the plural of Collosus?) and whole bunkers of geth before I even have a chance to get to them. Kaidan's got plenty of kick to him.


A defining quality, in other words. Kaidan's defining qualities are kind of "mundane" and don't really strike unless you think about the character. Compare that with either Garrus or Mordin. Those guys have immediately recognizable personalities and traits.

I would agree with what was said above that of the female characters, Kaidan is most like Liara and Tali.
Tali and Kaidan are probably the two characters that I would consider "good people."

I don't think that mundane is the right word.  He's not really.  He's quite extrodinary--even if you only take into consideration that he was one of the very few first generation human biotics that actually survived and then didn't go insane from their L2 implants.  Of human biotics, only Shepard's powers spkie higher than his.

The problem with appreciation of him often is that the man is deep with many layers.  I thought I knew what there was to know about him until I played mShep for the first time.  Then there was more to learn about him.  And I haven't renegaded him yet.  He's quite complex, so there's mystery about him.  If you only play mShep it might be harder to appreciate him, I'd admit because you get more of the good stuff with femShep--like how he's there to help her with advice from his life experience, to support her without really asking anything in return.

I consider Kaidan the "mature woman's" choice--and by that I don't mean by age since we have quite an age range in our group as Fort has often pointed out.  What I mean by this is that we've learned that the bad boy may have short-term appeal, but that not who you choose as a mate.  You want someone that is going to be a partner for you, someone that is going to support you, someone you don't have to fix everything for.  You want someone that will make a stand for their beliefs, but not be an ass about it (usually).  Kaidan has these qualities in spades.  I guess if you call wanting someone that would be a good spouse boring, then go ahead, I suppose.

But that doesn't take into consideration his amazing biotic skills on the battlefield-- or off (remember that advice that Mordin gives to Shepard about certain activities with a biotic?  We haven't Posted Image )

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