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[Jenova65]

@Alice, I always walk her through, I like the cathartic feel of it for Jack, like there is some sort of actual closure, this is why I am miffed ¬_¬
Anyway, back on topic - How many people through repeated play throughs of ME2 have made peace with Horizon and how many are still cross. I have to be honest and say because we already knew we weren't getting Kaidan as a squad mate and because the trailer showed him (well Ashley..........) being frozen by the Collector swarm, I wasn't initially cross I was relieved. It was only as I played more I began to feel cheated - not by Kaidan, but BioWare, as much as I trust them to give me Kaidan I started to feel cross that there wasn't more later, just something from Anderson would do, iyswim?
Anyway, I have made peace with it and take it for it is, hopeful after LOTSB that BioWare are going to deliver, tbh, I can't see them not delivering now!
Ooooh, top of the page Kaidan coming up.....

Modifié par Jenova65, 16 septembre 2010 - 08:43 .

[Aslanasadi]

Since I just finished Horizon once again I would say it leaves my femshep with mixed emotions...but she would never abandon him... Of course I was relieved that he did not ended loaded on the Collector ship, too...Besides that, I enjoyed the combat on Horizon...I had a lot fun there

The only thing I really missed were better dialogue options for my femshep...But then again I just tell myself, that she is so aloof, because she is worried that she could bring danger over Kaidan, if she shows that she still cares for him...I think I have never been cross with Horizon...just a little sad, that it would be all. we were able to see from Kaidan...

I hope that we might get a nice DLC, too...and I hope that he'll be back in ME3 ...and not just a cameo again...

Sorry. for my terrible grammar this morning....I'm still half asleep

[Elysis]

^This.



I was never mad about what happened on Horizon. Frankly, I think Kaidan's reaction is totally legit, I myself still don't really get why my femShep was working for Cerberus!

After Horizon when I was back on the Normandy, I was mostly sad because I knew this would be the last time I would see Kaidan in ME2!

I've read that a lot of people were very pissed about him over reacting/being out of character but frankly, I never saw it that way : The love of your life dies, then you hear she's still alive and working for a terrorist group that both of you fought against in the past, and then she appears out of nowhere, and says "It's been too long, how've you been?".

Seriously now. I would have headbutted femShep.



Mad at Kaidan/Horizon? No. Mad at Bioware? YES.

[Jenova65]

Elysis, I agree his reaction is exactly how Kaidan would react, let alone the whole love of your life deal, if anything he quite restrained tbh, you would feel very betrayed and for Shepard to say that it has been two years and she doesn't want 'to open old wounds', is just plain stupid. I never had a problem with Kaidan there, only Shepard!

[Jenova65]

Morning, Aslan, sorry I didn't reply yesterday (I was around on MSN for a bit as I said I would be though) :-)

My daughter was feeling a little fragile last night (they were on the phone for hours, he is lost and lonely atm...) and wanted to spend time with me. I am around now though if you are (will be back and forth as I have things to do, but am around, iyswim?)

[sapphyreelf]

I know I've said it before, but here's my take on Horizon (using my Shep specifically).

Shepard has been - not so discreetly - trying to unturn Kaidan for some time when TIM tells us that Horizon is under attack and Kaidan is there. Heading there, with this informaiton, she's a mad woman (and I mean that as both angry and crazy). As a Vanguard, she's always a bit reckless it seems in her attacks, but she's even more so now, because she feels this push that she has to find him before its too late. It's driving her forward, to reckless abandon.

When they finally drive off the Collectors, and that ship takes off, she's seen no trace of him on the colony, and if he were really there, what if he was one of the many just abducted? Her mind is literally still racing with the countless numbers of possibilities of what happened to him when he finally shows up.

And then it's just "It's him. He's ok. Everything's going to be alright."

So, when he finally adjusts to the fact that she's really there and the awkward conversation begins, she has not managed to get her bearings, and she's completely thrown by his reaction. And then devestated, and it is taking everything for her to maintain her composure. After all, she's still on the field, in front of her squad. She has to be Commander Shepard there. Not Alexis, Kaidan's ex-lover. So, bad dialogue and all, that's how things play out for them.

Yes, she can understand where he is coming from, but she does not accept it and it hurts her. Plus, it still makes her angry. And, the email ends up making it worse for her when it comes along.

Now, I, as a player, agree with Kaidan's reaction, believe it to be IC, and have no problem with it. But I am not my Shepard. I, as a player, dislike some of the dialogue that Shepard gets on Horizon (there are some very good options you can choose though), but I feel that it can accurately show things for my Shepard. I had to have a few playthroughs and really think about it before I came to full terms with it, but that's where I am now regarding Horizon.

[Chignon]

EchoLuv wrote...

Between FireEye Post and then Nightodie's I just about snorted water out my noise, not a fun thing... but worth it!
Been watching FemShep and KaidanShep vids on Youtube.  This one kills me.  You guys got any faves?

I'm usually not a big fan of fanvids but this one is beautiful. Thanks, EchoLuv!

[Jade5233]

EchoLuv wrote...

Between FireEye Post and then Nightodie's I just about snorted water out my noise, not a fun thing... but worth it!
Been watching FemShep and KaidanShep vids on Youtube.  This one kills me.  You guys got any faves?

That one is good
My favorite is Thinking of Horizon

[Elysis]

Jade5233 wrote...

EchoLuv wrote...

Between FireEye Post and then Nightodie's I just about snorted water out my noise, not a fun thing... but worth it!
Been watching FemShep and KaidanShep vids on Youtube.  This one kills me.  You guys got any faves?

That one is good
My favorite is Thinking of Horizon

@Chignon : That video is HEARTBREAKING 

My favorite one is "You and I"

[Nightodie]

About Horizon ... My Shepard is annoyed (okay.. really angry) about two things ... he didn't let her explain and he walked away... the confusing letter did not help. 

As a player I also understand his reaction... but still think the lack of letting her explain was OOC (and yes I know that the whole Convo was OOC Fort!)

But for Horizon... I give you this:

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Cause I don't want to do this again!!!

Modifié par Nightodie, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:46 .

[Chignon]

Elysis wrote...

@Chignon : That video is HEARTBREAKING 

My favorite one is "You and I"

Yes, heartbreaking but beautiful - the scenes from the game fit the music so well.

I also like this one here. 

[Nightodie]

I, of course am partial to Joisan's

[Estelindis]

Just a-wondering... If Kaidan hadn't joined the Alliance navy, what do you think he might have done with his life? :-)



Personally, I think that since biotics are strongly associated with combat in the Alliance, not joining the Alliance would lead him to place an emphasis on his other skills, like tech and medicine. I think he'd look into researching technologies to help others - possibly even to improve biotic implants, but maybe not (if he's not comfortable with the military use of biotics in this scenario).

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I know I've said it before, but here's my take on Horizon (using my Shep specifically).
Shepard has been - not so discreetly - trying to unturn Kaidan for some time when TIM tells us that Horizon is under attack and Kaidan is there. Heading there, with this informaiton, she's a mad woman (and I mean that as both angry and crazy). As a Vanguard, she's always a bit reckless it seems in her attacks, but she's even more so now, because she feels this push that she has to find him before its too late. It's driving her forward, to reckless abandon.
When they finally drive off the Collectors, and that ship takes off, she's seen no trace of him on the colony, and if he were really there, what if he was one of the many just abducted? Her mind is literally still racing with the countless numbers of possibilities of what happened to him when he finally shows up.
And then it's just "It's him. He's ok. Everything's going to be alright."
So, when he finally adjusts to the fact that she's really there and the awkward conversation begins, she has not managed to get her bearings, and she's completely thrown by his reaction. And then devestated, and it is taking everything for her to maintain her composure. After all, she's still on the field, in front of her squad. She has to be Commander Shepard there. Not Alexis, Kaidan's ex-lover. So, bad dialogue and all, that's how things play out for them.
Yes, she can understand where he is coming from, but she does not accept it and it hurts her. Plus, it still makes her angry. And, the email ends up making it worse for her when it comes along.
Now, I, as a player, agree with Kaidan's reaction, believe it to be IC, and have no problem with it. But I am not my Shepard. I, as a player, dislike some of the dialogue that Shepard gets on Horizon (there are some very good options you can choose though), but I feel that it can accurately show things for my Shepard. I had to have a few playthroughs and really think about it before I came to full terms with it, but that's where I am now regarding Horizon.

Ditto.  For Meg at least.

There's a reason I call Avery "St. Avery."

Modifié par Sialater, 16 septembre 2010 - 01:37 .

[Jenova65]

Nightodie wrote...

About Horizon ... My Shepard is annoyed (okay.. really angry) about two things ... he didn't let her explain and he walked away... the confusing letter did not help. 

As a player I also understand his reaction... but still think the lack of letting her explain was OOC (and yes I know that the whole Convo was OOC Fort!)

But for Horizon... I give you this:

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Cause I don't want to do this again!!!

That never gets old...................... 

[fortunesque]

Yeah, I think Horizon was OOC for both Shepard and Kaidan. Then again, I felt like ME2 was very OOC for Shepard in general. She certainly didn't feel human to me and I had to superimpose emotions onto her.



Of course, the conversation with Liara in LotSB was great in explaining Shepard's emotions, but I haven't purchased that dlc and don't plan to until there's an announcement for VS dlc.

[Jade5233]

I don't get Shepard on Horizon at all.

And while I think Kaidan's a little OOC character--not his usual controlled self. But its in an understandable way considering the situation from his POV. So I don't have a problem with how he was portrayed.

I just wish Shepard could storm after him and make him listen. Or be more welcoming to him when he first comes up. Or something! But that's not how the story is written. They can't have it worked out at that point. We have to hope for DLC for VS

[oenis]

fortunesque wrote...

Yeah, I think Horizon was OOC for both Shepard and Kaidan. Then again, I felt like ME2 was very OOC for Shepard in general. She certainly didn't feel human to me and I had to superimpose emotions onto her.

Of course, the conversation with Liara in LotSB was great in explaining Shepard's emotions, but I haven't purchased that dlc and don't plan to until there's an announcement for VS dlc.

I agree. There are rare paragon/renegade interrupts that show a burst of compassion/anger (generally speaking) but otherwise she tends to feel robotic. Professional and courteous but sort of distant, like a customer service rep. 

[Sialater]

Her distance is not entirely implausible for someone with severe PTSD. Which I assume one would have after dying.



Shep's not in her right mind. I think Horizon shows that.

[Giggles_Manically]

I stick to the neutral lines because the paragon ones are completely missing the point, and the renegade ones are so stupid. Honestly though if there is a VS DLC I want Shep to apologize for Horizon. Mostly for the bad lines.

[Chignon]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I stick to the neutral lines because the paragon ones are completely missing the point, and the renegade ones are so stupid. Honestly though if there is a VS DLC I want Shep to apologize for Horizon. Mostly for the bad lines.

Yep, same here. I had to play through Horizon a couple of times to find out which lines were at least somewhat in character for my Shepard. Some of the paraphrases of dialogue options were completely misleading, i.e. the "I didn't want to hurt you."-one.

Modifié par Chignon, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:21 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Chignon wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I stick to the neutral lines because the paragon ones are completely missing the point, and the renegade ones are so stupid. Honestly though if there is a VS DLC I want Shep to apologize for Horizon. Mostly for the bad lines.

Yep, same here. I had to play through Horizon a couple of times to find out which lines were at least somewhat in character for my Shepard. Some of the paraphrases of dialogue options were completely misleading, i.e. the "I didn't want to hurt you."-one.

What I hated was how my Colonial/Sole Survivor started spouting some PRO-Cerberus crap.
He is the last person in the galaxy who would say that.

I really dont understand why the dont summarize what you are about to say better.

[fortunesque]

I posted in the KAAS in reply to Lovestories' questions. That was a very interesting set of questions and it helped me figure out what I will officially do with Faith Shepard in ME2.

[Sialater]

Wow, that's great, Fort!

[oenis]

In regards to the change from ME1 to ME2:

I loved playing renegade because I got to be rude to people who were rude to me, like the council. Yeah not mature but fun! In ME2, being renegade was being polite to the Illusive man. It felt, sort of backwardish. My renegade shep might have agreed silently with his methods but she'd still tell him off.

Edited to add:

So like on Horizon, for example, I thought Renegade shep would say something snarky like, 'KAIDAN OMG you don't trust me after how many times I pulled your sorry (but nice:wub:) butt out of the fire?' Renegade shep is pro-human yes, but she's not the Cerberus spokeswoman. She's her own spokeswoman.

Modifié par oenis, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:36 .