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[sagefic]

@ sapphy: totally and completely agree. except for the vanguard thing. cause as an adept, kyrie is a bit more cautious and hiding out under cover and being precise. but all her detached, tactical expertise is thrown completely out the window in her rush to find him, she's trying not to treat this different than any other assignment (as she once told a hot-headed jenkins to do) and yet she does. she finds kaidan, and so overwhelmed with relief, and hopped up on adrenaline is completely not thinking straight. his reaction is totally in character, but her reaction is to just to say "oh. hi." i like to play kyrie as if she has moments of being completely tongue-tied. it actually makes me like her more than always pulling a paragon persuade. i only do that if i have to.

anyhow, kaidan gets mad and she just derps. she tends to get icy and aloof when defensive. so, bad situation all around, but it makes sense in my head. it did the first time, actually, though it did make me sad.

her reaction is that she's pissed and the email confuses her. she's hopeful, but confused. and like you, as a player, i loved horizon. seriously, i didn't think there was any way that BW would let the romance just "go on" hunky-dory, esp. not after DA:O. so if horizon is as bad as it gets (which, i REALLY hope it is), then i'll take it and wait. again, i can't judge the scene until i know the full context of the story it goes into. and the full story isn't out yet.

my real worry is that the scenario i've made up in my head to explain kyrie joining cerberus, kaidan staying away, etc., will turn out to be totally not the case. but LotSB made me think that I had mostly guessed right. though i don't get what's up about hacket giving liara your dogtags. shep had to collect tags for HIM. i liked my take better - miranda gave them to liara.

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Modifié par sagequeen, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:37 .

[Chignon]

Sialater wrote...

Her distance is not entirely implausible for someone with severe PTSD. Which I assume one would have after dying.

Shep's not in her right mind. I think Horizon shows that.

It's odd that it only happens on Horizon, though. I can't think of a single event in the game other than Horizon where Shepard acts similiar.

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I stick to the neutral lines because the paragon ones are completely missing the point, and the renegade ones are so stupid. Honestly though if there is a VS DLC I want Shep to apologize for Horizon. Mostly for the bad lines.

Yep, same here. I had to play through Horizon a couple of times to find out which lines were at least somewhat in character for my Shepard. Some of the paraphrases of dialogue options were completely misleading, i.e. the "I didn't want to hurt you."-one.

What I hated was how my Colonial/Sole Survivor started spouting some PRO-Cerberus crap.
He is the last person in the galaxy who would say that.

I really dont understand why the dont summarize what you are about to say better.

I also play Sole Survivor, so I can sympathize. Bioware should really work on that paraphrasing issue in ME3.

[Nightodie]

oenis wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Yeah, I think Horizon was OOC for both Shepard and Kaidan. Then again, I felt like ME2 was very OOC for Shepard in general. She certainly didn't feel human to me and I had to superimpose emotions onto her.

Of course, the conversation with Liara in LotSB was great in explaining Shepard's emotions, but I haven't purchased that dlc and don't plan to until there's an announcement for VS dlc.

I agree. There are rare paragon/renegade interrupts that show a burst of compassion/anger (generally speaking) but otherwise she tends to feel robotic. Professional and courteous but sort of distant, like a customer service rep. 

And I too agree.  It's like they brought her back but forgot certain things.. emotions ... grace...

[Sialater]

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Her distance is not entirely implausible for someone with severe PTSD. Which I assume one would have after dying.

Shep's not in her right mind. I think Horizon shows that.

It's odd that it only happens on Horizon, though. I can't think of a single event in the game other than Horizon where Shepard acts similiar.

She's also quite distant with Liara.  I think it's the LI thing.  I mean the first words out of Sheps mouth to Liara are judments (either Paragon OR Renegade) about her "flaying people."  No, "Hi, how are you, God, I've missed you, let's see how fast we can clear off your desk."  "Nyxeris, hold my calls."

Shep freezes when confronted with her former LIs.  It's not just Kaidan/Ashley who gets the "derp" lines.

[oenis]

Nightodie wrote...

oenis wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Yeah, I think Horizon was OOC for both Shepard and Kaidan. Then again, I felt like ME2 was very OOC for Shepard in general. She certainly didn't feel human to me and I had to superimpose emotions onto her.

Of course, the conversation with Liara in LotSB was great in explaining Shepard's emotions, but I haven't purchased that dlc and don't plan to until there's an announcement for VS dlc.

I agree. There are rare paragon/renegade interrupts that show a burst of compassion/anger (generally speaking) but otherwise she tends to feel robotic. Professional and courteous but sort of distant, like a customer service rep. 

And I too agree.  It's like they brought her back but forgot certain things.. emotions ... grace...

And like Miranda said, her fire! Usually, she is consoling and placating. I would have liked to have seen more spice like she showed during Tali's trial and at the Krogan hospital. Like when they visited the mother whose daughter Morinth killed, I thought she was remarkably bland. 

@Fort, I really like Faith! She's from your fics, right? She reminds me of Faith from Buffy a little bit.

[Chignon]

Sialater wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Her distance is not entirely implausible for someone with severe PTSD. Which I assume one would have after dying.

Shep's not in her right mind. I think Horizon shows that.

It's odd that it only happens on Horizon, though. I can't think of a single event in the game other than Horizon where Shepard acts similiar.

She's also quite distant with Liara.  I think it's the LI thing.  I mean the first words out of Sheps mouth to Liara are judments (either Paragon OR Renegade) about her "flaying people."  No, "Hi, how are you, God, I've missed you, let's see how fast we can clear off your desk."  "Nyxeris, hold my calls."

Shep freezes when confronted with her former LIs.  It's not just Kaidan/Ashley who gets the "derp" lines.

Yes, but if your Shepard romanced Liara then it also only happens once and that is when you meet her the first time. Subsequently, you'd meet Kaidan/Ash on Horizon as nothing more than a former crew member, making Shepard's reaction to them more fitting.

I think you may have something there with it having something to do with them being Shepard's former LIs, but I still don't get why.

[Sialater]

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Her distance is not entirely implausible for someone with severe PTSD. Which I assume one would have after dying.

Shep's not in her right mind. I think Horizon shows that.

It's odd that it only happens on Horizon, though. I can't think of a single event in the game other than Horizon where Shepard acts similiar.

She's also quite distant with Liara.  I think it's the LI thing.  I mean the first words out of Sheps mouth to Liara are judments (either Paragon OR Renegade) about her "flaying people."  No, "Hi, how are you, God, I've missed you, let's see how fast we can clear off your desk."  "Nyxeris, hold my calls."

Shep freezes when confronted with her former LIs.  It's not just Kaidan/Ashley who gets the "derp" lines.

Yes, but if your Shepard romanced Liara then it also only happens once and that is when you meet her the first time. Subsequently, you'd meet Kaidan/Ash on Horizon as nothing more than a former crew member, making Shepard's reaction to them more fitting.

I think you may have something there with it having something to do with them being Shepard's former LIs, but I still don't get why.

Well... you died.  And this isn't the Princess Bride where death doesn't stop true love, it only delays it a little while.  I think Shep was terrified of her reception and acted distant to protect herself.  Of course, it's a self-fullfilling prophecy.

And the entire convo with Liara after that opening is business only.  As if that's what they're both more comfortable with.

[Geirahod]

I think that Shepard feels like some kind of tool (she was a tool for the alliance and the council before, and now she's a tool for the Illusive Man), that's why she don't show her emotions (only on lotSB, you can see her more human).
I don't know how to feel about it, being dead for two years, all the people that you know have forgotten you, you are alone, forced to serve an institution only for the reason that they bring you alive again, i don't know...I would love to see the change, that Shepard for the first time in her life do the things on her own way...(on my playthroughs, she sends to the hell the collector's base and TIM), but I would love to see her more worry about her feelings.
What always botter me, is the fact that no one (only Tali and Garrus, seems to be happy to see Shepard alive again) no even Joker seems to be grateful to see Shepard, even when she save his ass....(well that's not so strange, Joker is a weird person, at least to me)
I always laugh about the letter that the mother of Shepard send her....I can only think that the Shep's mommy is a robot or something like that.

I hope that ME3 change the course of the things....I don't like that my Shep looks like a robo-soldier.

Modifié par Geirahod, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:32 .

[Geirahod]

Ahhh...dammit!! Double post, sorry.

Modifié par Geirahod, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:02 .

[Sialater]

Well, Wrex is happy to see you. If he lived.





And Kaidan, at first, is happy. He just... gets mad.

[Chignon]

Sialater wrote...


Well... you died.  And this isn't the Princess Bride where death doesn't stop true love, it only delays it a little while.  I think Shep was terrified of her reception and acted distant to protect herself.  Of course, it's a self-fullfilling prophecy.

And the entire convo with Liara after that opening is business only.  As if that's what they're both more comfortable with.

Thank you, I'm quite aware it isn't Princess Bride.

This is exactly my point. Shepard dying only seems to affect her and her behaviour when meeting with her LIs. Does it come up anywhere else in the game except for the occassional "Oh, you were dead? Okay, you see, I have this mission here..."? No, it doesn't. Not until LotSB anyway.  It's inconsistent.

Modifié par Chignon, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:11 .

[fortunesque]

oenis wrote...

@Fort, I really like Faith! She's from your fics, right? She reminds me of Faith from Buffy a little bit.

Yep. The very same :3

[Sialater]

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...


Well... you died.  And this isn't the Princess Bride where death doesn't stop true love, it only delays it a little while.  I think Shep was terrified of her reception and acted distant to protect herself.  Of course, it's a self-fullfilling prophecy.

And the entire convo with Liara after that opening is business only.  As if that's what they're both more comfortable with.

Thank you, I'm quite aware it isn't Princess Bride.

This is exactly my point. Shepard dying only seems to affect her and her behaviour when meeting with her LIs. Does it come up anywhere else in the game except for the occassional "Oh, you were dead? Okay, you see, I have this mission here..."? No, it doesn't. Not until LotSB anyway.  It's inconsistent.

I was making a joke about PB. It seems to have failed.

I agree, it's inconsistent.  A woman that's eloquent enough to get her friend off treason charges with no evidence can't even greet the love of her life properly?

Modifié par Sialater, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:19 .

[fortunesque]

Did anyone read the latest chapter of Exitus? Wow.

[Chignon]

Sialater wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...


Well... you died.  And this isn't the Princess Bride where death doesn't stop true love, it only delays it a little while.  I think Shep was terrified of her reception and acted distant to protect herself.  Of course, it's a self-fullfilling prophecy.

And the entire convo with Liara after that opening is business only.  As if that's what they're both more comfortable with.

Thank you, I'm quite aware it isn't Princess Bride.

This is exactly my point. Shepard dying only seems to affect her and her behaviour when meeting with her LIs. Does it come up anywhere else in the game except for the occassional "Oh, you were dead? Okay, you see, I have this mission here..."? No, it doesn't. Not until LotSB anyway.  It's inconsistent.

I was making a joke about PB. It seems to have failed.

I agree, it's inconsistent.  A woman that's eloquent enough to get her friend off treason charges with no evidence can't even greet the love of her life properly?

I'm so sorry! I didn't mean to snap at you. It's hard to read things right with nothing to go on but the words, you know? (God, here I go blundering about again ...) 

Exactly, Shepard can talk her way out of anything and while I would like to think she did it because she was relieved to find Kaidan, it's also a matter of no options given by Bioware.

[Sialater]

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...


Well... you died.  And this isn't the Princess Bride where death doesn't stop true love, it only delays it a little while.  I think Shep was terrified of her reception and acted distant to protect herself.  Of course, it's a self-fullfilling prophecy.

And the entire convo with Liara after that opening is business only.  As if that's what they're both more comfortable with.

Thank you, I'm quite aware it isn't Princess Bride.

This is exactly my point. Shepard dying only seems to affect her and her behaviour when meeting with her LIs. Does it come up anywhere else in the game except for the occassional "Oh, you were dead? Okay, you see, I have this mission here..."? No, it doesn't. Not until LotSB anyway.  It's inconsistent.

I was making a joke about PB. It seems to have failed.

I agree, it's inconsistent.  A woman that's eloquent enough to get her friend off treason charges with no evidence can't even greet the love of her life properly?

I'm so sorry! I didn't mean to snap at you. It's hard to read things right with nothing to go on but the words, you know? (God, here I go blundering about again ...) 

Exactly, Shepard can talk her way out of anything and while I would like to think she did it because she was relieved to find Kaidan, it's also a matter of no options given by Bioware.

Yeah.  I guess my whole point was, the derpy-ness is not just limited to Kaidan.

[Chignon]

Sialater wrote...

Yeah.  I guess my whole point was, the derpy-ness is not just limited to Kaidan.

But it is quite possibly the icing on the cake of derpy-ness.

[Sialater]

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Yeah.  I guess my whole point was, the derpy-ness is not just limited to Kaidan.

But it is quite possibly the icing on the cake of derpy-ness.

On THAT we agree wholeheartedly.

[syllogi]

fortunesque wrote...

Did anyone read the latest chapter of Exitus? Wow.

Yeah!!!  That was super intense.  It made a lot of sense, but was still very sad.

sinvraal writes the ME2 suicide mission the way Chris Avellone would have.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Shenzi]

TeenZombie wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Did anyone read the latest chapter of Exitus? Wow.

Yeah!!!  That was super intense.  It made a lot of sense, but was still very sad.

sinvraal writes the ME2 suicide mission the way Chris Avellone would have.

A suicide mission with actual deaths involved, that's what I expected out of ME2 given the pre-launch hype.

[sagefic]

yeah, i hate to say it, but i found it ridiculously easy to keep everyone alive at end game.

[Jade5233]

I killed Zaeed, Legion and all of my crew the first time through

[oenis]

Part of the reason why I think the ME2 romances are compelling is that it sucks having no romance going on. Romances adds interest because you get to see another side of your shep/another character, and special dialogue about your LI.

[Sialater]

I killed Legion and probably would have killed Mordin. But I reloaded so it didn't happen. (Tali was my first team leader and I knew the minute I picked her I screwed up.)



Anyway... if Kaidan HAD joined you on Horizon what would have been his job in the SM?

[Nightodie]

Yeah, I didn't kill anyone... I guess I made the right choices ...