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[Jade5233]

Joisan wrote...

I like the way you think, friend. Jade and I are already in agreement that KotOR 2 did not happen. If ME3 doesn't meet what I want to see for Mia and Kaidan, then I'll just have to make it up.

@giggles:  Well, since Revan cannon is that he is male, then my entire KOTOR experience is AU anyways.  So I can say that KOTOR II never happened and that Reven never left the love of her life, Carth. 

[Shenzi]

Joisan wrote...

I like the way you think, friend. Jade and I are already in agreement that KotOR 2 did not happen. If ME3 doesn't meet what I want to see for Mia and Kaidan, then I'll just have to make it up.

I'm with Jo on both points regarding KoToR2 and ME3.

[Sialater]

My Revan's name was Avery Skywalker, an ancestor. You can imagine how unhappy leaving Carth behind made me. That's why Exile stopped by to get him (and maybe Bastila if she behaved herself) before leaving to track Revan down. Oh, and Atton? Totally Exile's boyfriend.

Anyway, I don't care how Liara and Shep bicker. Has anyone ever heard a conversation between sisters? Garrus and Shep snipe at each other, too. As do Tali and Shep. *rolleyes*

Kaidan's romance, Horizon notwithstanding (or hell, maybe BECAUSE of Horizon), is still better.

Modifié par Sialater, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:10 .

[Jade5233]

I agree with what a friend said the other day. The problem with the Liara romance is that Liara changes 180 degrees from ME1 to ME2 with so little explanation. And Shepard doesn't really notice too much.

Otherwise, I thought that the romance in the DLC was quite well done. Although I still would have liked it to have been less vague what happened in the fade out--not graphic. Just less vague.



*sigh* femShepard so needs at least some nice working things out dialogue and alone time with Kaidan. Not quite as intimate as Liara's DLC--it just would be out of place, IMO. But perhaps dinner and talking things over with some longing looks and a nice kiss at the end of the DLC.

[Collider]

In my opinion, Kaidan is one of if not the most well written romances in the series. I did hear that Liara's romance was good in the DLC, but I am of the opinion that it does not get rid of the weak start of her romance.



Liara is swooning from the outset over Shepard, and the romance begins when they have barely known each other. I remember playing the game and thinking "what?" when Liara asked if there was a connection between her and Shepard. Liara felt like she was based around her romance. Kaidan's romance felt like they based it on Kaidan. The latter makes for a more compelling romance and a more compelling romance interest.

[Sialater]

Collider wrote...

In my opinion, Kaidan is one of if not the most well written romances in the series. I did hear that Liara's romance was good in the DLC, but I am of the opinion that it does not get rid of the weak start of her romance.

Liara is swooning from the outset over Shepard, and the romance begins when they have barely known each other. I remember playing the game and thinking "what?" when Liara asked if there was a connection between her and Shepard. Liara felt like she was based around her romance. Kaidan's romance felt like they based it on Kaidan. The latter makes for a more compelling romance and a more compelling romance interest.

QFT. 

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

Collider wrote...

In my opinion, Kaidan is one of if not the most well written romances in the series. I did hear that Liara's romance was good in the DLC, but I am of the opinion that it does not get rid of the weak start of her romance.

Liara is swooning from the outset over Shepard, and the romance begins when they have barely known each other. I remember playing the game and thinking "what?" when Liara asked if there was a connection between her and Shepard. Liara felt like she was based around her romance. Kaidan's romance felt like they based it on Kaidan. The latter makes for a more compelling romance and a more compelling romance interest.

QFT. 

I agree. I always felt that I was getting to know Kaidan as the "romance" developed. It was subtle, and real, as has already been pointed out.

[Daewan]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Collider wrote...

In my opinion, Kaidan is one of if not the most well written romances in the series. I did hear that Liara's romance was good in the DLC, but I am of the opinion that it does not get rid of the weak start of her romance.

Liara is swooning from the outset over Shepard, and the romance begins when they have barely known each other. I remember playing the game and thinking "what?" when Liara asked if there was a connection between her and Shepard. Liara felt like she was based around her romance. Kaidan's romance felt like they based it on Kaidan. The latter makes for a more compelling romance and a more compelling romance interest.

QFT. 

I agree. I always felt that I was getting to know Kaidan as the "romance" developed. It was subtle, and real, as has already been pointed out.

In her first passion, a woman loves her lover, in all the others all
she loves is love.

--Lord Byron

My favorite part was having someone else finally acknowledge in game how horrible Horizon was.

[Jade5233]

It was one of the few romances built on mutual respect and friendship rather than just attraction or lust.

Plus, you didn't need to do anything to earn Kaidan's loyalty. He gave it freely to Shepard for being who she is. BIG difference there.

[Giggles_Manically]

Jade5233 wrote...

Joisan wrote...

I like the way you think, friend. Jade and I are already in agreement that KotOR 2 did not happen. If ME3 doesn't meet what I want to see for Mia and Kaidan, then I'll just have to make it up.

@giggles:  Well, since Revan cannon is that he is male, then my entire KOTOR experience is AU anyways.  So I can say that KOTOR II never happened and that Reven never left the love of her life, Carth. 

I agree KOTOR 2 left me irked.
I saw Carth and Bastilla but it was so bad when they said high and bye in all of 10 seconds.

I'll just hope that TOR makes it up to me.

[Jade5233]

Holy crow! I am listening to Retribution. Did you know that by the Omeg-4 time Anderson is only 49?! I would have thought that he was older than that!

[fortunesque]

Jade5233 wrote...

It was one of the few romances built on mutual respect and friendship rather than just attraction or lust.
Plus, you didn't need to do anything to earn Kaidan's loyalty. He gave it freely to Shepard for being who she is. BIG difference there.

This. Thisthisthisthis.

I really hope to hell that he doesn't have a loyalty mission in ME3. One would think that he'd be professional  and experienced enough to put his personal issues aside to do his job. 

[Giggles_Manically]

Well Garrus and Thane I think are about mutual trust as well.



It does suck playing a MaleShep and seeing the whole galaxy throw themselves at you.

Needless to say I can understand why Samara turns down shep though and see why it shocked people.

[Sialater]

fortunesque wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

It was one of the few romances built on mutual respect and friendship rather than just attraction or lust.
Plus, you didn't need to do anything to earn Kaidan's loyalty. He gave it freely to Shepard for being who she is. BIG difference there.

This. Thisthisthisthis.

I really hope to hell that he doesn't have a loyalty mission in ME3. One would think that he'd be professional  and experienced enough to put his personal issues aside to do his job. 

I wouldn't mind a mission for him that would help us know him better though... but "loyalty" is entirely the wrong word for those missions in the case of any of the ME1 squadmates. 

[Daewan]

The Kaidan loyalty mission for involved femSheps should include dinner at a nice restaurant, then sitting and talking in front of the fire before a night of mutual, unrestrained passion. For mSheps and non-involved femSheps, going out to a game/movie, then dinner, and then maybe a bar. Being tossed into a drunk tank is a possibility for renegade Sheps, but Kaidan will of course bail you out.

[Jade5233]

I agree with Sia on the Kaidan mission.

Although I think the non-LI squadmates' missions in ME1 still were loyalty missions (except perhaps Tali's). You were doing something to help out Garrus. And for Wrex, I get the feeling that doing his mission helps with not having to kill him on Virmire.

[Mox Ruuga]

Didn't the loyalty missions usually translate more into "take care of said persons' issues" missions?

In Kaidan's case, the writers could come up with all sorts of things that are bothering him. Or they could just give him a mission that proves to be challenging on a personal level.

But I doubt there will be a similar combo of "recruitment + loyalty" mission for every squaddie we get. At least I hope not. The devs really need to start moving the plot forward... The Reapers are still out there, and Shepard is still going to have to find some way to stop them. Heh, the major situation hasn't changed since ME1's ending.

[Chignon]

I think it's even the wrong word for the ME2 squadmates. I never felt like I earned their loyalty, but rather helped them resolve their issues. 
That being said, I'd love to see a mission for Kaidan. I doubt it will happen in ME3, but I still have some hope for a DLC.

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Didn't the loyalty missions usually translate more into "take care of said persons' issues" missions?

In Kaidan's case, the writers could come up with all sorts of things that are bothering him. Or they could just give him a mission that proves to be challenging on a personal level.

But I doubt there will be a similar combo of "recruitment + loyalty" mission for every squaddie we get. At least I hope not. The devs really need to start moving the plot forward... The Reapers are still out there, and Shepard is still going to have to find some way to stop them. Heh, the major situation hasn't changed since ME1's ending.

That sounds good. As I said in the VS DLC thread, it'd be great to see a plot relevant mission with just Shepard and Kaidan relying on each other.

[NICKjnp]

Jade5233 wrote...

I agree with Sia on the Kaidan mission.
Although I think the non-LI squadmates' missions in ME1 still were loyalty missions (except perhaps Tali's). You were doing something to help out Garrus. And for Wrex, I get the feeling that doing his mission helps with not having to kill him on Virmire.

If you do Wrex's side mission before Virmire in ME1 you don't have to do the pesuasion check (if you reason/speak to him like a friend and don't order him to back down).  If you don't want to put points into the persuade/intimidate section then this is the best way to go.  You keep Wrex alive (because you are a friend so he won't turn on you) and you don't have to waste points.

[NICKjnp]

Jade5233 wrote...

Joisan wrote...

I like the way you think, friend. Jade and I are already in agreement that KotOR 2 did not happen. If ME3 doesn't meet what I want to see for Mia and Kaidan, then I'll just have to make it up.

@giggles:  Well, since Revan cannon is that he is male, then my entire KOTOR experience is AU anyways.  So I can say that KOTOR II never happened and that Reven never left the love of her life, Carth. 

I'm male so I think KOTOR II did happen

[Jade5233]

NICKjnp wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

I agree with Sia on the Kaidan mission.
Although I think the non-LI squadmates' missions in ME1 still were loyalty missions (except perhaps Tali's). You were doing something to help out Garrus. And for Wrex, I get the feeling that doing his mission helps with not having to kill him on Virmire.

If you do Wrex's side mission before Virmire in ME1 you don't have to do the pesuasion check (if you reason/speak to him like a friend and don't order him to back down).  If you don't want to put points into the persuade/intimidate section then this is the best way to go.  You keep Wrex alive (because you are a friend so he won't turn on you) and you don't have to waste points.

Ok.  I thought it was something like that.
I always invest heavily in persuasion.  I like the ability to talk my way out of things in RPG's

@Nick and KOTOR II:   

[Nightodie]

Joisan wrote...

I like the way you think, friend. Jade and I are already in agreement that KotOR 2 did not happen. If ME3 doesn't meet what I want to see for Mia and Kaidan, then I'll just have to make it up.

Jo is right .. and my muse is more then ready... but I would rather get it from Bioware...

and did someone say Loyalty missions?

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I think Shepard will be okay with it if Kaidan wants her to kill something...

Or maybe some get to know you better time!!!!

[NICKjnp]

@Night... sadly that picture sums up ME2 completely.

[Chignon]

Not completely. Grunt should say something like this: No, you have to babysit me while I go through puberty.

Modifié par Chignon, 21 septembre 2010 - 10:44 .