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Nethershadow wrote...
Well the evidence i was suggesting was the mass of husks and alien pods all around them. The suggestion that Cerberus the "pro human terrorists" don't usually do things like kidnapping entire human colony's, and the biggest sign is that no way is the pro human cerberess working with alien collectors. The fact that a collector ship and collector bodies that you put down are all around you.
That's the kind of thing Cerberus is known for. They act like they care and then you find out later that they were exceptionally cruel. Look at Chaska. Look at what they did at the Teltin facility. Look at the Collector ship trap that TIM sent Shepard into. They're perfectly capable of lying and doing horrible things all in the name of doing what they want to do. They have a history of doing these things. It's a reasonable suspicion.
Nethershadow wrote...
We also don't know how long Kaidan has been up as we only see him come running out. (haven't watched that part for a while so details may be off)
He's been on the secret mission sinse the start of the game, and you go to citadael to talk to anderson; the subject of you meeting with the council has made the council aware of you, others have heard about you (messages as the game goes) and for an officer in charge of a large project would have been informed of you long before you showing up. Anderson has tried to assist you by telling the council of what you think is happening, even though they don't believe it.
Not knowing how long Kaidan has been up has nothing to do with anything.
He was not informed about Shepard. He heard rumors. They purposefully didn't tell him so that he could tell them what he saw in a completely unbiased manner. He even said, "I heard the rumors but I never expected this." So no, he wasn't informed at all.
Nethershadow wrote...
And you assume i dislike Kaidan, but i'm not blindly ignoring things, as i do like the character established in the first, but in the 2nd he is acting like an emotional civillian instead of a military officer who shouldn't be ignoring all clues around him and any possible counter points you make to explain the situation, nor you actions of taking on the collectors (which he may not have any knowledge of based on his introduction to the ending). To many glaring contraditions to ignore and just assume. I like to believe they don't promote officers to higher ranks that just jump the gun and assume conclusions when there is many clue's all around them and contradiction to thier assumptions.
I never said that you didn't like Kaidan.
Shepard's counterpoints are pretty lame and all they amount to is, "Nuh-uh. Just trust what I have to say at face value." Again, there is absolutely nothing that shows that Shepard isn't working with Cerberus. Shepard shows up with them. The logical assumption is that Shepard is working with them. It's not jumping to conclusions; it's common sense. I said the same thing in my past two posts.
Nethershadow wrote...
Yes you are back from MIA, as they never had a body to say you are officially dead, and your working with a well known pro human terrorist group, but there is a massive alien spaceship and piles of collectors and other freakshow husks which Kaidan has seen simular before all around them. Kaidan is also not unfamiliar with to alien forces trying to conquerer the galaxy and has encountered the husks before; which he should be able to easily conclude there is way more going on here than what he originally thought.
And Cerberus has captured husks and dragonteeth as well as Thorian creepers to study them. Look at what happened on Chaska; because of Cerberus, that whole colony was wiped out. Kaidan's not being stupid to suspect that Cerberus might be involved in these attacks somehow.
But a lot of people seem to forget these Cerberus sidequests in ME1 since they're very obscure. Cerberus has shown that they'll use alien and reaper technology to do whatever they want and it usually results in the deaths of many innocent people.
Nethershadow wrote...
So i like Kaidan, just not how he was done in the second, as to me it seems too much like tv emotional soap opera reaction and not enough seen some chit in the galaxy alliance officer tenacity. Just because you suggest that you will support Kaidan blindly to the situation because you like him, i at least can offer constructive criticism of him. And yes, kick in the *ss meaning, knock some sense into him and stop assuming.
I see his side of the argument and understand where he is coming from. There's a big difference between that and refusing to attempt to even understand where he got the idea that Cerberus might be trying to fool Shepard. I don't agree with him on Horizon because I have more information than him but at the same time I can understand his point of view based on the limited amount of concrete, factual information that he has. In fact, he's being a good officer by being suspicious of Shepard, who is working with terrorists. It's a completely ludicrous suggestion that Kaidan ought to believe Shepard outright without further investigation into what is going on.
And of course he's going to be upset. Shepard shows up after two years and is working with terrorists. There's no immediate proof that Shepard was dead or not. So he has to contend with the idea that maybe Shepard was a double agent all along. It's silly to assume that he ought to believe outright that Shepard was rebuilt and made alive again; something like that has never been done before. So the whole situation is incredibly confusing for him; it's a pretty normal response (even for an officer) to get upset.
You're not offering constructive criticism. You're coming in with a torch saying that you'll kick his ass. That's not constructive; it's inflammatory and over the top. We don't mind a debate in this thread but statements like that aren't going to win any points.
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