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[Quaay]

They are having some ME2 stuff on sale next week on xbox...don't they usually do that when something new is about to come out? Please be Kaidan DLC! I might finally pick up Overlord DLC since it'll be 400 points.

Modifié par Quaay, 05 octobre 2010 - 04:18 .

[Reverie]

Maybe it's just me. But isn't that kind of what happens with fan fiction? Some people take liberties with certain characters and go ooc. That's just how they write/type.

[Sialater]

Reverie wrote...

Maybe it's just me. But isn't that kind of what happens with fan fiction? Some people take liberties with certain characters and go ooc. That's just how they write/type.

The point is to take the established characters/world and within the characterization or rules of that world, write your plot.  Not to take the characters over and make them do things they wouldn't.

[Reverie]

I still don't see the big deal. People do what they want to do.

[Sialater]

And we're free to not read it and to complain about it. But for the authors in this thread, we bust our asses to make sure that Kaidan is depicted as accurately as possible and it's irritating when a fic is written where he's completely inaccurately portrayed. It almost insults our hard work.

[oenis]

Reverie wrote...

Maybe it's just me. But isn't that kind of what happens with fan fiction? Some people take liberties with certain characters and go ooc. That's just how they write/type.

This is true; its freedom of expression. Fanfiction is very controversial. Some artists love it and some hate it. My favourite author hates it when people change his characters, like if they are straight, he hates them in slash. Overall, though, I find the fanfiction community self regulating. OOC is rarely liked, whereas the well written stuff is popular. It's one of those, if you don't like it, don't read it situations. 

What bothers people too is when fanart is intentionally degrading. But IMO it is better to have the freedom to create. Good art will be appreciated and bad will be panned.

@Chignon: I love your femshep in the kaidan armour! Her thighs are rockin' in that screenie.
@Quaay: I think you will enjoy Overlord; it's very moving (to me, anyways)

Modifié par oenis, 05 octobre 2010 - 04:58 .

[Reverie]

I'll preface by saying I don't read/write fanfiction.I'll keep my opinions on that to myself. I guess I'm just used to more screwed up fan fiction/art that would make people here freak right out. Anyone ever been to the mass effect community on livejournal? Yeah... they sure take some *ahem* liberties when it comes to fan stuff.

[Sialater]

Yeah, I know. Garrus/Kaidan slashfic haunt me and make me want to gouge out my eyes.

[FenrisDeSolar]

I find it hard to acknowledge it as "fanfiction" or "fanart" when the character are being ruined or debased just for the f*** of it. ¬_¬ It's more like hatefiction and hateart. That sht annoys me.



If you write fanfiction or make fanart, you should respect your fandom and keep everything as canon as you can. Having said that, I mess about with characters like there's no tomorrow, but I'd like to think I do it within reason. >:/

[close2myheart]

Is it just me or Kaidan is kinda hot in that formal Alliance suite? Will always be one of my fave pictures of him. If he wears that in ME3, my paragon Shep's outer expression may be :innocent::innocent::innocent: although her thoughts will be all :devil::devil:

Btw, I hate to whine ( or rant, but desperately need to ask ) when will we be hearing news about ME3's aproximate release date? Or any shred of information from Bioware on that matter? (especially concerning ME1's LI's)?
I just finished a new femShep Infiltrator that I want to import, but I just can't find the energy (or motivation) to finish off ME2 again with her knowing that Kaidan won't be there as squaddie <_<

I'm usually a patient person but on this case I'll call it an exception plus the anticipation is really killing me in so many ways, it's like enduring a torture of somesort <_< or maybe I just got a little too addicted to ME that I need to break away a little 

Anyho,, I hope atleast Bioware will realease a VS-dlc soon. Or atleast an announcement stating that it is currently a work-in-progress dlc that would really make my day.

[Reverie]

I think the worst was the Zaaed/Mordin picture I saw there a few days ago. No disrespect to the artist. But that picture was disturbing.

Modifié par Reverie, 05 octobre 2010 - 05:11 .

[Chignon]

oenis wrote...

@Chignon: I love your femshep in the kaidan armour! Her thighs are rockin' in that screenie.

Thank you. Kaidan looks better in it, though.

[oenis]

^You make an excellent point, Fenris. For it to be 'fan' anything, it would imply the creator actually IS a fan of the character(s).

I'm all for M/M romances in games but when you get used to a character being a certain way it can feel odd ... and weird. I tried watching the mshep/kaidan romance from ME1 that was cut.

[Daewan]

Reverie wrote...

I'll preface by saying I don't read/write fanfiction.I'll keep my opinions on that to myself. I guess I'm just used to more screwed up fan fiction/art that would make people here freak right out. Anyone ever been to the mass effect community on livejournal? Yeah... they sure take some *ahem* liberties when it comes to fan stuff.

There's nothing wrong with changing a character slightly for the context of a well-written story.  For instance, someone who's only played Paragon would still understand a Kaidan that says slightly Renegade things.  The base character - a biotic, well-adjusted, mature man - is still the same.  Just one's an alien hating bigot and the other is a sparkly-eyed trusting sweetheart.

What fans (should) take offense at is when a writer decides to impose behavior on the character that comes out of nowhere, like, say, turning Kaidan into a serial rapist who continually attacks Shepard at every turn.  That's not just stupid, that's poor writing.  It destroys both characters (seriously?  Shepard?  She wouldn't take that from anybody!  Let alone a subordinate.) and the story is neither interesting nor well-written.  Or someone who turns Kaidan into a super-soldier combantant and ignores his biotic abilities.

Sometimes people interpret one line - "I have headaches" - and build the entire character around that - "Kaidan is a whiner!"  That does a serious disservice to the character as written in the game, and also makes for very poor fanfic.  If the author hates the character, and spends half the story going on about how annoying and stupid they are, that isn't a very good story.

If you hate a character, they shouldn't be in your story.  Fan fiction is supposed to be about fandom - things you like.  It's supposed to draw more people into appreciating your particular obsession.  Unless your obsession is hating Kaidan Alenko, what's the point?

Of course, some people think that unusual sex pairings (m/m, f/f, any triad, etc) ruins a character.  I don't.  I think if it is done well and is based on a more open-minded interpretation of actual dialogue from the game (or TV show, or movie), it's pretty reasonable, and usually makes for some fun reading.  I can understand that some of the real creators would hate it, because they know more about their creations than we do.  But it's all in good fun!  Usually.

[Reverie]

I find a lot of slash fic (that's what its called right?) to be down right out there. None of it is appealing to me. Okay, so I'm being a bit hypocritical now *shrugs* I'm human, sh*t happens. I said I don't read fanfic. And for the most part I don't read it regularly but I have read a piece or two. I think the problem is a lot of the none game stuff just turns me right off of it.

[Nightodie]

Daewan wrote...

Reverie wrote...

I'll preface by saying I don't read/write fanfiction.I'll keep my opinions on that to myself. I guess I'm just used to more screwed up fan fiction/art that would make people here freak right out. Anyone ever been to the mass effect community on livejournal? Yeah... they sure take some *ahem* liberties when it comes to fan stuff.

There's nothing wrong with changing a character slightly for the context of a well-written story.  For instance, someone who's only played Paragon would still understand a Kaidan that says slightly Renegade things.  The base character - a biotic, well-adjusted, mature man - is still the same.  Just one's an alien hating bigot and the other is a sparkly-eyed trusting sweetheart.

What fans (should) take offense at is when a writer decides to impose behavior on the character that comes out of nowhere, like, say, turning Kaidan into a serial rapist who continually attacks Shepard at every turn.  That's not just stupid, that's poor writing.  It destroys both characters (seriously?  Shepard?  She wouldn't take that from anybody!  Let alone a subordinate.) and the story is neither interesting nor well-written.  Or someone who turns Kaidan into a super-soldier combantant and ignores his biotic abilities.

Sometimes people interpret one line - "I have headaches" - and build the entire character around that - "Kaidan is a whiner!"  That does a serious disservice to the character as written in the game, and also makes for very poor fanfic.  If the author hates the character, and spends half the story going on about how annoying and stupid they are, that isn't a very good story.

If you hate a character, they shouldn't be in your story.  Fan fiction is supposed to be about fandom - things you like.  It's supposed to draw more people into appreciating your particular obsession.  Unless your obsession is hating Kaidan Alenko, what's the point?

Of course, some people think that unusual sex pairings (m/m, f/f, any triad, etc) ruins a character.  I don't.  I think if it is done well and is based on a more open-minded interpretation of actual dialogue from the game (or TV show, or movie), it's pretty reasonable, and usually makes for some fun reading.  I can understand that some of the real creators would hate it, because they know more about their creations than we do.  But it's all in good fun!  Usually.

^THIS EXACTLY^

[FenrisDeSolar]

All hail Daewan!! >



Your post was full of win, good sir! xD I agree fully!

[Daewan]

Reverie wrote...

I find a lot of slash fic (that's what its called right?) to be down right out there. None of it is appealing to me. Okay, so I'm being a bit hypocritical now *shrugs* I'm human, sh*t happens. I said I don't read fanfic. And for the most part I don't read it regularly but I have read a piece or two. I think the problem is a lot of the none game stuff just turns me right off of it.

That's totally fair.  Some people like certain things, some people like other kinds of things, some people like both, some people like nothing.  If everyone liked the same things, the world would be a very dull place.  There's room for everybody.

[Sialater]

The problem I had with the slashfic I mentioned is that the author had to twist the characters badly to make it happen at all. Not with the concept in general.


I mean, Loved would be so much less angsty if I could convince G & K to do what Al and Zev have done for Moira in The Rescue, but I can't.

Modifié par Sialater, 05 octobre 2010 - 05:35 .

[Daewan]

Sialater wrote...

The problem I had with the slashfic I mentioned is that the author had to twist the characters badly to make it happen at all. Not with the concept in general.

Really?  I can see it quite easily, but only if they're both in love in Shepard.

[Sialater]

Daewan wrote...

Sialater wrote...

The problem I had with the slashfic I mentioned is that the author had to twist the characters badly to make it happen at all. Not with the concept in general.

Really?  I can see it quite easily, but only if they're both in love in Shepard.

Shepard wasn't involved.  THAT was my problem.

[syllogi]

Reverie wrote...

I still don't see the big deal. People do what they want to do.

For a reader, it is frustrating to *want* to find good, well written fiction, that does justice to the characters, but all you can find is dreck, or worse.  People are entitled to write what they want, but if they put it online, and make it open to review, they need to be aware that they will be judged. 

If someone writes a story that has very poor grammar and spelling, I know right away that it's not something I'm interested in.  If, however, it's only the content that I am not going to enjoy, I might waste time reading some terrible story that leaves me gagging, when I could be finding good fiction elsewhere.

I love fanfiction that takes the story into unknown territory.  My favorite Harry Potter fanfic was a Draco/Hermione story...and one of the things that I loved about it was that it was something I knew I would never see in the canon.  Yet, despite the fact that the pairing is outside of the norm, the story was extremely well written, respected both characters, and was believable, at least to me.  But because there are so MANY horrible, out of character HP fanfics, many of which feature these two characters, I was lucky I found it at all.

If someone can take an unexpected twist on a character like Kaidan, like, for example, pairing him with Jack, and make it believable and good...I'd be really impressed.  If they write the fic, and it's just terrible and out of character, I'd be annoyed that I wasted my time on reading it.  Just my take on it.

[oenis]

Has anyone read that HP fanfic that had dumbledore in a black robe with AVRIL LAVIGNE written on the back? LMAO! I listened to a guy's dramatic reading of it on youtube and he totally cracked up at that part.

[Daewan]

Sialater wrote...

Daewan wrote...

Sialater wrote...

The problem I had with the slashfic I mentioned is that the author had to twist the characters badly to make it happen at all. Not with the concept in general.

Really?  I can see it quite easily, but only if they're both in love in Shepard.

Shepard wasn't involved.  THAT was my problem.

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