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[Estelindis]

I don't think it's cheating if Ash, Kai, or Liara move on.  Ash and Kai believe Shepard to be dead, and Liara has gone through so much that she's truly in a different place.

But I think it's cheating if Shep decides s/he has moved on and doesn't tell them. Now, since the game doesn't *let* us tell them, you may choose to take things two ways: 1) "I'd tell them if I could, but I'm not going to let the fact that I can't stop me from moving on," or 2) "They went through two years of getting over me; the least I can do is wait a bit until I get the chance to talk to them." I go for the latter (though, in fact, my Shep is not over Kaidan at all). But each to his or her own.

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Modifié par Estelindis, 07 octobre 2010 - 02:59 .

[Sialater]

I think that's all in how you take Horizon. Meghan thinks she was dumped. The email just confuses her. But she's never been one to examine her emotions too closely.

Avery... is far more cautious and introspective. Horizon was just a fight.

Modifié par Sialater, 07 octobre 2010 - 03:05 .

[Chignon]

oenis wrote...

I haven't played LotSB in a bit: if you cheat on Liara in ME2, can you get back with her in the DLC? And if you do get back with her, what happens to the ME2 romance? I've never romanced her either.

As far as I know - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - Shepard has to pick between Liara and the ME2 LI. If you pick her, you can continue her romance and sleep with her but there is no acknowledgement from the ME2 LI as you can still invite them up to Shepard's room and Liara's picture stays down.
If you pick the ME2 LI you can continue theirs and Liara and Shepard stay friends.

[RGC_Ines]

Estelindis wrote...

I don't think it's cheating if Ash, Kai, or Liara move on.  Ash and Kai believe Shepard to be dead, and Liara has gone through so much that she's truly in a different place.

But I think it's cheating if Shep decides s/he has moved on and doesn't tell them. Now, since the game doesn't *let* us tell them, you may choose to take things two ways: 1) "I'd tell them if I could, but I'm not going to let the fact that I can't stop me from moving on," or 2) "They went through two years of getting over me; the least I can do is wait a bit until I get the chance to talk to them." I go for the latter (though, in fact, my Shep is not over Kaidan at all). But each to his or her own.

You know, second option could be OK for me, but if I will wait for a chance to make clear to Kaidan/Ash that we are over, I will not have any new romance in ME2 And I really wanted to try Thane for my Sheps as a LI...
I just think, it's Bio bad idea to not include " broke up" option in ME2 and then to tell us, that there will be " consequences" in ME3 if we "cheated" previous LIs ( if I good remember Devs told this long ago, before even ME2 was relased). If they didn't want to give us this chance on Horizon, they could, at last to give us this option when we got e-mail from Kaidan/Ash. Maybe Im wrong, but I think, it's not too hard to create two extra mails one with " it's done" message and the second with " chance for rebuild relationship if we will survive suicide mission", which Shepard could sent as an answer. And only then, if I promised to give a ME1 LI chance, and I start a new romance in ME2 I could be called a " cheater".

[Sialater]

Yeah, I agree, Ines. They forced us into it.

[Estelindis]

I agree they should have given Shep a way of responding. Honestly, I loved the email system from Alpha Protocol, and I wish Bioware had made ME2 email like that. (For those who haven't played AP, the majority of emails have no option to reply, but some do - and you simply choose a tone or approach for the answer from the dialogue wheel, preview it to see if that's what you meant, and then send. Perfect.) While not doing so gives us a ridiculous amount of suspense, and suspense is kinda awesome (though also kinda cruel and stressful), on the other hand a possible romance with Thane does show the problems with waiting. Who knows how long he has, after all? Why waste that time just because Bioware didn't us the chance to mail Kaidan?



All that being said, I repeat that my Shep did stay faithful - and not necessarily with any expectation of things continuing with Kaidan (though that would be great). But I was very tempted by Garrus and Thane, and actually felt like a bad person for not romancing Thane. I wish my Shepard could have been there for him during the hours before the suicide mission without actually bringing things to the level of romance. If there's one thing that particularly frustrates me about my Shep remaining faithful to Kaidan, it's missing out on getting to know various characters better and deepening Shep's relationship with them because non-romance relationships have earlier cut-off points.

[goofygoff]

Estelindis wrote...

I'm also interested in the possible consequences for cheating. I'd like them to be serious, but from LotSB it doesn't look like they will be.

I'm still hoping it's something BW didn't want to resolve in a DLC, and it will be addressed in ME3.  I found it odd that you can hook up with Liara, and still call up your ME2 LI afterwards.  Especially since there's no gray area in that case - you cheated.  But for now, I'm assuming the fallout is simply on hold.

Estelindis wrote...

But I think it's cheating if Shep decides s/he has moved on and doesn't tell them. Now, since the game doesn't *let* us tell them, you may choose to take things two ways: 1) "I'd tell them if I could, but I'm not going to let the fact that I can't stop me from moving on," or 2) "They went through two years of getting over me; the least I can do is wait a bit until I get the chance to talk to them." I go for the latter (though, in fact, my Shep is not over Kaidan at all). But each to his or her own.

My Sheps who moved on considered Horizon a break-up, and the e-mail as more of a, "when the dust settles, maybe we can get back together" kinda thing.  So I don't feel it's "cheating" for them even though I'm frustrated that BW never gave us the option to make anything official.

However, I do believe it's cheating if you romanced someone in ME2 with the intention of getting back together with your ME1 LI eventually.

avalon30 wrote...

Absolutely. That's only way I could see Shep as being a cheater. Death nullifies cheating in my view... so by that logic, it is weird that i think of my Kaidan Shep as "faithful," but yeah, I don't know a better word.

I prefer 'loyal'.  

[CuzImShort]

In regards to 'cheating', or 'moving on', I also have issues with the way BW handled it. I gave each femshep LI a chance and the romances felt terribly off, particularly with Jacob and Garrus's romance. Which is why I prefer to just stay loyal to my ME1 romance.

For those who never romanced Jacob, you can start flirting with him around the second time you talk to him. This is still really early in the game. I usually go and recruit Mordin and Garrus immediately after Freedom's Progress, so it hasn't been that long since Shepard has woken up form her coma. After major missions, I usually go all over the ship and talk to the squadies, so progression with Jacob comes fairly early. The problem is the blatant flirting you can engage with him before his loyalty mission. The shep I used to romance him flirted with him once and it seemed to lock the romance in before the loyalty mission, which is different from the other two romances with Thane and Garrus. It seems odd for Shepard to openly flirt with someone when it hasn't been long since she woke up from her coma. Yes, it's been two years for everyone else, but it must have felt like a few days ago that Shep saw Kaidan. I would think, realistically, that there would be some pining for him, but it gives you almost no option to do so. You can almost immediately tell Jacob you're interested very early in the game. So for the Jacob romance, it definately felt like cheating. This has to be the biggest flaw when it comes to the Jacob romance; progression of it is just... bad.

Engaging in a romance was different with Garrus(and Thane) since it comes after Horizon and his loyalty mission. I don't regard their romances as  'cheating', but simply 'moving on', since I assumed Horizon was the 'break up'. I thing I just did not like with the Garrus romance was it didn't feel like a romance. Well... to me, at least. Just seemed like they wanted to experiment... with sex. Casual sex turns me off, I guess. Thane's romance is the only one I felt held a similar impact as Kaidan's, in terms of emotion. With his, I felt Shep is given enough time to gain interest or move on from her ME1 romance, especially after Horizon. Though, it may depend on how you play through the game...

[syllogi]

CuzImShort wrote...

In regards to 'cheating', or 'moving on', I also have issues with the way BW handled it. I gave each femshep LI a chance and the romances felt terribly off, particularly with Jacob and Garrus's romance. Which is why I prefer to just stay loyal to my ME1 romance.

For me, I wanted to keep an open mind about ME2 romances, especially Jacob (hey, I like humans!), but in the end, they just didn't click for me.  Add to that my initial anger and then sadness about how Kaidan was treated in this game, and I knew I'd be keeping my main Shepard single, at the very least.

I eventually decided that it was a good way to role play this character, and having a romance didn't fit the way I saw her in this game:  alienated and confused and incredibly pissed about being forced into this situation.  Having a romance with someone handpicked by TIM to be on my team wasn't going to fly.

Honestly, it's mostly Jacob that I can't bring myself to romance because he's a Cerberus lackey.  I could deal with it a little more if he had better rationale for working with them, but he just doesn't like rules.  Yeah, not a good fit for my Shepard.  =P  At least I could believe that Miranda is loyal to Cerberus because they gave her safe harbor and helped her sister.  That's something I can respect, even if I don't agree with her ignoring the parts of the organization that aren't nice or neat.

As for Garrus's romance, you should watch the break  up scene, it shows that, at least for him, the relationship is more than a fling.  The way I see it, he is surprised by Shepard's proposal -- and as he says, he's not into humans -- but Shepard is special to him, and after taking that mental leap of seeing her as more than a leader, he is disappointed and hurt if things don't work out.

As for cheating/taking a break/breaking up, it's all up to the player, but the devs quote about consequences makes me wonder.  I would really like them to make whatever occurs to be mature, and respectful of the characters involved...no cat fights or hair pulling, please.  Well, maybe cheating on Jack would end with some broken ribs for Shepard and his other LI, but it's silly and out of character for the others to act that way.

[RPGmom28]

Didn't I read something about BW saying that there would be a perk for the faithful? Can anyone confirm or deny that?

[NamiraWilhelm]

I only remember them saying there will be repurcussions for infidelity in ME3 (which is why i believe we wont be reunited until the third game), i've never heard of a perk

except, ya know, being faithful

Modifié par NamiraWilhelm, 07 octobre 2010 - 08:08 .

[FireEye]

I suspect the penalty for cheating will be that you can't continue your romance with Ashley or Kaidan, possibly with Jacob-style slurs against your ME2 LI since Ashley's writer is gone and Kaidan is rather heavily influenced by what Ash would do, to keep the storyline simple.



I would prefer to see both LIs leave you for "cheating," but without a breakup option, I agree that it's too unfair. Maybe they could be reasonable (haha) and allow you to send a message at the start of ME3 (or the fabled VS DLC) breaking it off, like they should have done in the first place?



Liara... I guess Liara is open minded enough that it doesn't bother her, though maybe you won't be able to keep your ME2 LI with her come ME3...

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...




As for Garrus's romance, you should watch the break  up scene, it shows that, at least for him, the relationship is more than a fling.  The way I see it, he is surprised by Shepard's proposal -- and as he says, he's not into humans -- but Shepard is special to him, and after taking that mental leap of seeing her as more than a leader, he is disappointed and hurt if things don't work out.

This is why Meghan got Garrus.  But she's still not over Kaidan.  Poor Meg.

Modifié par Sialater, 07 octobre 2010 - 08:39 .

[Chignon]

FireEye wrote...

I suspect the penalty for cheating will be that you can't continue your romance with Ashley or Kaidan, possibly with Jacob-style slurs against your ME2 LI since Ashley's writer is gone and Kaidan is rather heavily influenced by what Ash would do, to keep the storyline simple.

I would prefer to see both LIs leave you for "cheating," but without a breakup option, I agree that it's too unfair. Maybe they could be reasonable (haha) and allow you to send a message at the start of ME3 (or the fabled VS DLC) breaking it off, like they should have done in the first place?

*snip*

I agree with your post, Fire. God, I hope Bioware will handle it in a reasonable, tactful way and don't simplify both characters any further. What makes me a bit weary are the cries of "catfight" from some people on the forum.

Modifié par Chignon, 07 octobre 2010 - 09:02 .

[FireEye]

... although, conflicting LIs sniping at one another and/or Shepard on the battlefield could be funny.  It would require more banter all around, though, or it'd just be out of place.

Jacob: "Hey Alenko, guess where I was last night.  B)"
Kaidan: "Judging by how hard it is for you to keep up, I don't need to guess.  :huh:"
Shepard: "Guys, seriously... <_<"
Kaidan: "But you know, whenever I spent the night with the commander, she let me have the next day off? :innocent:"
Jacob: "What?  You're kidding.  :o"
Kaidan: "So, you might want to try a little harder next time... :innocent:"
Jacob: "Shepard, he's kidding, right? :?"
Shepard: "Guys!  :pinched:"
Kaidan: "..."
Jacob: "..."
Kaidan: "...Psst!  Taylor!  I've got a spare energy drink if you need one.  ^_^"

^ not necessarily funny or in-character, but apparently the best I could come up with. 

Modifié par FireEye, 07 octobre 2010 - 09:46 .

[Quaay]

lol that was funny, Fire



My playthrough to romance Ashley was unsuccessful. I saved her but when I got the locker scene Liara showed up for some reason...so I went back and reloaded Virmire and got Kaidan back. I don't know what I did wrong. Guess she just didn't like me. At least I got a couple of conversations with her that I never got to see before and also the AA tower scene for once.

[FenrisDeSolar]

Quaay wrote...

lol that was funny, Fire

My playthrough to romance Ashley was unsuccessful. I saved her but when I got the locker scene Liara showed up for some reason...so I went back and reloaded Virmire and got Kaidan back. I don't know what I did wrong. Guess she just didn't like me. At least I got a couple of conversations with her that I never got to see before and also the AA tower scene for once.

That's because Liara is a love-ninja. o_O She has a tendency to sneak up on you. I had to try twice before I managed to get Ashley to come to my Shep. xD

[Quaay]

I was mean to Liara and told her I wasn't interested. Ashley was telling me she was a hellcat off the battlefield as well. Don't know how it went wrong after that! It's a sign that Kaidan is meant to be in all my Shepard's lives~

[FenrisDeSolar]

Quaay wrote...

I was mean to Liara and told her I wasn't interested. Ashley was telling me she was a hellcat off the battlefield as well. Don't know how it went wrong after that! It's a sign that Kaidan is meant to be in all my Shepard's lives~

I was horrible to Liara. The conversation went something like this:

Liara: I liek u, u liek me 2?
Shepard:  Nup.
Liara: oops. I wuz wrong!
Shepard: obviasly
Liara:
Shepard: >

And she STILL came to the lockers! She's a damn masochist! Dx

[sevalaricgirl]

My femShep (Tere) stayed faithful to Kaidan during both play throughs, actually I am in my vanguard playthrough right now and am now getting my team loyal. My Tere's heart was broken on Horizon and she tells Joker that it reminded her of what she lost other than time and she tells Kelly that she misses Kaidan. She'll stay faithful because she just can't imagine getting with anyone on her current team, she's not into girls and Liara looks way to female, and though she considers Garrus her best friend on her team, he's just that a best friend. He misses Kaidan too and was with Tere on Horizon. He knows how much Kaidan means to her. I hate having to wait for another year plus. I am very impatient. Guess I'll have to finish my vanguard game and then play KOTOR which I never got into but my son wants me to play.

[Joisan]

Yesssssss come to the KotOR side. I promise you you've got a treat waiting for you in the man on the right here.