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[siriusrambles]

i agree with jaer's take on the situation. also, i do not believe kaidan would let himself lose his temper because he could easily repeat the same mistake from his past. when kaidan is reactionary and emotional, his biotics are uncontrolled. he could harm joker or someone else by letting his feelings cloud his judgment. kaidan is not perfect and has been shown in-game to speak his mind but i do not think any moment presented to us he is not cognizant of the consequences attached to his ability thus his responses tend to be calculated.

[fortunesque]

To play devil's advocate:



Wouldn't Joker's refusal to leave (disobeying orders) causing Shepard's death be a breaking point for Kaidan? Nobody is perfect and there's got to be a point at which Kaidan would finally flip out. I don't think he'd hurt anyone but he'd be royally pissed and his biotics would at least flare up.

[Chignon]

avalon30 wrote...

^ i never get tired of Kaidan and Kaiden... more please

Just completed Virmire so I thought I'd share.






Man basket!


Kaiden obviously can't quite contain his glee.


A closer inspection is needed.


Kaidan doesn't like where this is going.




Kaiden debriefing Kaidan with his eyes.

And just because I can:

[fortunesque]

Look at him grabbing himself XD



Seriously, this is awesome.

[Chignon]

avalon30 wrote...

Chignon, this is hilarious and also disturbing... Kaiden's starting to frighten me (Kaidan's frightened, too.)
*snip*

Kaidan secretly likes it. There, even he can't resist checking Kaiden out.

I think Kaidan just removed a certain little piece of armor. We are now blinded by the glory of his manparts

And he's a great dancer to boot. What's not to love?

[Sorrel]

Heya guys,

I'm Uglynoodles on Deviantart, I've been making the Kaidan comic that I see people have been keeping this thread updated with!

ACGCK SO FLATTERED!



I'm doodling up page 6 and I want to know.

Thoughts, perspectives, what species should this doctor be?

Human? Asari? Quarian?

I'm kind of leaning Quarian, myself.

[Chignon]

A Quarian would be something completely different. Though, Kaidan says something along the lines of "I never claimed to be big on alien culture." when asked about being interested in Liara.

Modifié par Chignon, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:35 .

[Sorrel]

Maybe she's a Quarian who grew up around humans, perhaps the child of a Flotilla outcast.

I did sort of take the route in the game to make him more xeno-friendly as well, so hmm.

Human just seems a bit boring, an obvious choice, too easy, and a bit of a copout to me, but I can't see him giving a serious second look at an asari, and definitely not a turian ahaha!

CONVINCE ME

[Joisan]

I personally always assumed she was human, though that may be me projecting my lack of xenophilia onto Kaidan. I could see Asari as a possibility, but I think that anything else would be extremely unlikely. Though perhaps for that very reason it would be more interesting to see.

[jtav]

I've finally come up with a good Kaidan fic idea. I'm just trying to decide if it's something I want to pursue, especially considering I've already got a big fanfic project on my plate.

[Daewan]

fortunesque wrote...

To play devil's advocate:

Wouldn't Joker's refusal to leave (disobeying orders) causing Shepard's death be a breaking point for Kaidan? Nobody is perfect and there's got to be a point at which Kaidan would finally flip out. I don't think he'd hurt anyone but he'd be royally pissed and his biotics would at least flare up.

Why doesn't anyone ever play Joker's advocate and give him credit for saving the lives of the crew with his piloting?  Why not consider that he used the Normandy as bait to draw fire from the unknown ship so that everyone else could make it safely to the planet below?

After all, Joker didn't get reprimanded for his piloting.  He got reassigned, just like everyone else, and his illness was the reason he was grounded (comments from Dr. Chakwas).  Cerberus not only let him fly again, but they did a lot of reconstruction (that probably won't be good for him in the long run).

[fortunesque]

I think she was probably human. His friends set him up on this date and since he's Alliance (quote: I don't think about much outside of work), one would assume that those friends would be colleagues of some sort. So I think she'd be most likely to be human.



Then again, he does have an asari fetish...

[siriusrambles]

since kaidan's friends talked him into going out for drinks with the doctor, she would have to be someone familiar with them. due to the quarian's nomadic lifestyle, would they not more likely be stationed on a ship instead of as a doctor on the citadel. unless her father was on a ship with said friends and his daughter decided for stability by staying on the citadel.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Daewan wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

To play devil's advocate:

Wouldn't Joker's refusal to leave (disobeying orders) causing Shepard's death be a breaking point for Kaidan? Nobody is perfect and there's got to be a point at which Kaidan would finally flip out. I don't think he'd hurt anyone but he'd be royally pissed and his biotics would at least flare up.

Why doesn't anyone ever play Joker's advocate and give him credit for saving the lives of the crew with his piloting?  Why not consider that he used the Normandy as bait to draw fire from the unknown ship so that everyone else could make it safely to the planet below?

After all, Joker didn't get reprimanded for his piloting.  He got reassigned, just like everyone else, and his illness was the reason he was grounded (comments from Dr. Chakwas).  Cerberus not only let him fly again, but they did a lot of reconstruction (that probably won't be good for him in the long run).

Maybe Joker's actions did save lives. But by the time the player gets control of Shepard, the situation is FUBAR and everyone should do their best in order get off the ship. Instead Shepard has to go up and actuelly waste time on convincing him to leave.

[fortunesque]

Daewan wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

To play devil's advocate:

Wouldn't Joker's refusal to leave (disobeying orders) causing Shepard's death be a breaking point for Kaidan? Nobody is perfect and there's got to be a point at which Kaidan would finally flip out. I don't think he'd hurt anyone but he'd be royally pissed and his biotics would at least flare up.

Why doesn't anyone ever play Joker's advocate and give him credit for saving the lives of the crew with his piloting?  Why not consider that he used the Normandy as bait to draw fire from the unknown ship so that everyone else could make it safely to the planet below?

After all, Joker didn't get reprimanded for his piloting.  He got reassigned, just like everyone else, and his illness was the reason he was grounded (comments from Dr. Chakwas).  Cerberus not only let him fly again, but they did a lot of reconstruction (that probably won't be good for him in the long run).

I don't play Joker's advocate because he didn't evacuate along with everyone else like he should have. Because of his stalling, Shepard died. I'd blame anyone else that did the same thing as him; this isn't a dislike of Joker coming out here. His piloting might have bought some time, but his refusal to evacuate immediately cost the life of the CO. Using the ship as bait or whatnot wasn't the order.

Orders are orders, etc. That's how I see it at least. 

[Mox Ruuga]

avalon30 wrote...

I wonder sometimes if the lady doctor on the citadel is actually the lady doctor we meet (and rescue) on the citadel in ME.

Unlikely.

The devs twisted poor Dr. Michel into yet another xenophile Garrus fangirl as some sort of a joke, I guess.

[jillyfae]

Daewan wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

To play devil's advocate:

Wouldn't Joker's refusal to leave (disobeying orders) causing Shepard's death be a breaking point for Kaidan? Nobody is perfect and there's got to be a point at which Kaidan would finally flip out. I don't think he'd hurt anyone but he'd be royally pissed and his biotics would at least flare up.

Why doesn't anyone ever play Joker's advocate and give him credit for saving the lives of the crew with his piloting?  Why not consider that he used the Normandy as bait to draw fire from the unknown ship so that everyone else could make it safely to the planet below?

After all, Joker didn't get reprimanded for his piloting.  He got reassigned, just like everyone else, and his illness was the reason he was grounded (comments from Dr. Chakwas).  Cerberus not only let him fly again, but they did a lot of reconstruction (that probably won't be good for him in the long run).

I absolutely assume Joker saved lives and kept the Collector Ship off the lifepods.  I also assume he completely blames himself for Shepard's death, and that is part of the reason he cared so little about what he was doing that he'd work for Cerberus.  (As I'm sure the prospect of resurrection wasn't dangled immediately, or if it was, it's unlikely he really believed it.  People don't get brought back to life, even by mad scientists working for terrorists.)

I also assume that any survivors of the Normandy would, at least temporarily, blame him as well, since he disobeyed the evacuation order in his attempt to keep flying and save something of the situation.  The level of blame depends entirely on the person, and on details of the attack we don't get in game, so is up for personal interpretation.

I agree w/the general consensus that, regardless of how much Alenko blamed him, he wouldn't have confronted him after the attack, because Kaidan would be in 'work mode' in order to keep the crew alive and not have to deal with Shepard's death.  A tactic he appears to have failed to change in the intervening two years.

[fortunesque]

jillyfae wrote...

I agree w/the general consensus that, regardless of how much Alenko blamed him, he wouldn't have confronted him after the attack, because Kaidan would be in 'work mode' in order to keep the crew alive and not have to deal with Shepard's death.  A tactic he appears to have failed to change in the intervening two years.

I totally agree with this as well.

But after the dust settled? Yeah, I could see Kaidan harboring some ill-will against Joker for what happened. 

[Sorrel]

I too think Kaidan wouldn't seek Joker out for some form of confrontation, if anything he would actively ignore him. I agree as well, once the stuff settled down, I could see Kaidan being grouchy in his direction.

[Daewan]

Nah, I'm going to totally disagree. (hey, it's my job, I'm playing Joker's advocate!)

Why would Kaidan turn on his crewmember like that? Joker has already lost everything (the Normandy, Shepard); losing a friend on top of that might push him over the edge. And Kaidan wouldn't want that on his conscience. Granted, he might be angry with Joker, but I don't think he would let Joker know. Well, not until he runs off to Cerberus, anyway. Maybe.

[NamiraWilhelm]

I cant see either Shep or Kaidan resenting Joker, but i still would have liked some dialogue on it. Like Joker actualy feeling a little guilt that it may have been his fault, and then some dialogue from Shep like 'It wasnt your fault.' 'No worries.' or 'I should make you pay' depending on whether your shep is a meanie!

[Star]

Lizardviking wrote...

*snip*

That's a good theory. Aside from the very last point about Joker last meeting Alenko being on good terms, I think the reason Joker went all "It must have been good to see him again" was because he didn't want to upset Shepard.

I don't actually get the impression that Joker thinks a whole lot about whether or not he upsets people. If he did, he wouldn't be snarky so much of the time.    And if your response to Joker's query "it must have been good to see him" is cranky, he kinda passes it off....oh yeah...well, whatever....