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[Joisan]

Darn it, where's my post from earlier when the subject of "loved" came up. I know Sia (or at least, one of her Shepards, Meghan) makes much of the past tense there, but here's my take on it: It doesn't mean he doesn't care for her anymore. Because really, seriously, just look at him. He wouldn't be hurting that bad if he didn't. But just like I wouldn't say I "love", present tense, my brother who passed away almost 8 years ago, Kaidan uses the past tense in speaking of Shepard because he assumed when she got spaced that it was over... until he runs into her on Horizon.

[FireEye]

Joisan wrote...
And my Shepard is certainly nowhere near over him.

That's the problem.

Shepard needs get over him.  ... or, you know, under him.  Whichever they prefer. 

[Joisan]

FireEye wrote...

Joisan wrote...
And my Shepard is certainly nowhere near over him.

That's the problem.

Shepard needs get over him.  ... or, you know, under him.  Whichever they prefer. 

You... you... are really trying to keep my mind in the gutter right now, aren't you?  And my current project in Poser isn't helping either.

[Jade5233]

I agree with Josian. He is by no means is over Shepard.

And while I would have been happy for Kaidan to drop everything and follow Shepard, I don't think I would have respected him as much as I do for sticking to his principles.

Kaidan is a strong man. We all love this about him. He's not Shepard's lap dog that heels when she snaps her fingers. He shows on Horizon that he is her equal and has his own mind. He is able to go toe-to-toe with one of the most persuasive beings in the galaxy without backing down.

After the initial pain of watching him turn his back on her and leave, I have to admire him for his resolve to do what he feels is right.

[carilynn46]

true, I still believe he cares for her ause like he said every thing came hard to port. But loved... it just hit hard to my shepard almost like he didn't care at the time but anger showed that he still cared and there was the "sorry" letter that mentioned he went on a date with doctor like we needed to read that lol

[carilynn46]

Jade5233 wrote...

I agree with Josian. He is by no means is over Shepard.
And while I would have been happy for Kaidan to drop everything and follow Shepard, I don't think I would have respected him as much as I do for sticking to his principles.
Kaidan is a strong man. We all love this about him. He's not Shepard's lap dog that heels when she snaps her fingers. He shows on Horizon that he is her equal and has his own mind. He is able to go toe-to-toe with one of the most persuasive beings in the galaxy without backing down.
After the initial pain of watching him turn his back on her and leave, I have to admire him for his resolve to do what he feels is right.

right on

[FireEye]

Joisan wrote...

You... you... are really trying to keep my mind in the gutter right now, aren't you?  And my current project in Poser isn't helping either.

The gutter is the happiest place on Earth. 

[Ryzaki]

FireEye wrote...

Joisan wrote...

You... you... are really trying to keep my mind in the gutter right now, aren't you?  And my current project in Poser isn't helping either.

The gutter is the happiest place on Earth. 

*resists urge to replace gutter with Kaidan's lap* :innocent:

[Joisan]

carilynn46 wrote...

true, I still believe he cares for her ause like he said every thing came hard to port. But loved... it just hit hard to my shepard almost like he didn't care at the time but anger showed that he still cared and there was the "sorry" letter that mentioned he went on a date with doctor like we needed to read that lol

Re: the doctor

That's Kaidan, though: wanting to get everything on the table.  And honestly... we know Shepard is alive, or going to be alive again, but he didn't.  She. Was. Dead. and how was he supposed to know Cerberus was going to resurrect her?  I mentioned my older brother that died... he had a girlfriend, you know.  They loved each other very much.  According to my mom, they were even talking marriage once they both graduated from college.  She was devastated when he died!  Just devastated!  But you know what?  After a few years, she started to date again, and none of us blamed her.  Just the summer before last she finally got married to a wonderful man and all of us went to her wedding and were happy for her.

Now, in Kaidan's case, from what he said in the e-mail I get the very strong impression that it was just one date that didn't go anywhere.  He just wasn't ready yet, and after only two years, that's perfectly normal.  What would have happened if Shepard stayed dead, none of us will ever know, but now that he knows she's alive, I think the Citadel doctor doesn't stand anything close to a chance!  If Shepard moved on, I think he would eventually as well.  But as long as Shepard wanted to give their relationship a chance, I don't think he'd even look at another woman twice.

[Joisan]

Ryzaki wrote...
*resists urge to replace gutter with Kaidan's lap* :innocent:

Okay, y'all... where's that picture?  You know the one.  The gutter sign of Golden God Kaidan with the arrow pointing in that direction?

[GuardianAngel470]

Jade5233 wrote...

I agree with Josian. He is by no means is over Shepard.
And while I would have been happy for Kaidan to drop everything and follow Shepard, I don't think I would have respected him as much as I do for sticking to his principles.
Kaidan is a strong man. We all love this about him. He's not Shepard's lap dog that heels when she snaps her fingers. He shows on Horizon that he is her equal and has his own mind. He is able to go toe-to-toe with one of the most persuasive beings in the galaxy without backing down.
After the initial pain of watching him turn his back on her and leave, I have to admire him for his resolve to do what he feels is right.

I don't mean to be rude, but that sounds more like rationalization to me. Everyone knows the Horizon encounter was flawed all the way to its core. Their reaction was in no way justified. 

You're belief would make more sense if Kaidan/Ashley had not reacted so irrationally to you and given you a chance.

It would also make more sense if Shepard had actually been persuasive instead of choosing that one moment to lose all ability to persuade.

[Jade5233]

Joisan wrote...

carilynn46 wrote...

true, I still believe he cares for her ause like he said every thing came hard to port. But loved... it just hit hard to my shepard almost like he didn't care at the time but anger showed that he still cared and there was the "sorry" letter that mentioned he went on a date with doctor like we needed to read that lol

Re: the doctor

That's Kaidan, though: wanting to get everything on the table.  And honestly... we know Shepard is alive, or going to be alive again, but he didn't.  She. Was. Dead. and how was he supposed to know Cerberus was going to resurrect her?  I mentioned my older brother that died... he had a girlfriend, you know.  They loved each other very much.  According to my mom, they were even talking marriage once they both graduated from college.  She was devastated when he died!  Just devastated!  But you know what?  After a few years, she started to date again, and none of us blamed her.  Just the summer before last she finally got married to a wonderful man and all of us went to her wedding and were happy for her.

Now, in Kaidan's case, from what he said in the e-mail I get the very strong impression that it was just one date that didn't go anywhere.  He just wasn't ready yet, and after only two years, that's perfectly normal.  What would have happened if Shepard stayed dead, none of us will ever know, but now that he knows she's alive, I think the Citadel doctor doesn't stand anything close to a chance!  If Shepard moved on, I think he would eventually as well.  But as long as Shepard wanted to give their relationship a chance, I don't think he'd even look at another woman twice.

I agree.  I think what Kaidan was trying to show there was that he was making an attempt at moving on with his life--not well, perhaps, but he was trying.  He hadn't, though.  Knowing Kaidan, "nothing serious" would have to mean that nothing really happened between him and the doctor.

Even so, if I ever write about Kimbri meeting 'Chelle, I'm not quite sure what's going to happen.  Kimbri may be a paragon, but she also tends to be a little territorial.

[Joisan]

I don't know if I would say their initial reaction was unjustified but I agree that it took some of the crappiest dialogue writing in all of ME2 to make their walking away without even really listening to Shepard seem even remotely plausible. Really, Bioware? Really? You've given us so many awesome stories and so much awesome dialogue and you couldn't come up with a better excuse to keep Kaidan and Ashley on the sidelines in ME2?

[FireEye]

Ryzaki wrote...
*resists urge to replace gutter with Kaidan's lap* [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Hmm.

Kaidan's lap is the happiest place on Earth! 

Yep, that works, too. 

Joisan wrote...

Okay, y'all... where's that picture?  You know the one.  The gutter sign of Golden God Kaidan with the arrow pointing in that direction?

... this one? 

[Jade5233]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I don't mean to be rude, but that sounds more like rationalization to me. Everyone knows the Horizon encounter was flawed all the way to its core. Their reaction was in no way justified. 

You're belief would make more sense if Kaidan/Ashley had not reacted so irrationally to you and given you a chance.

It would also make more sense if Shepard had actually been persuasive instead of choosing that one moment to lose all ability to persuade.

Its true.  Shepard's loss of coherency certainly helped Kaidan/Ash in their ability to leave.
But put yourself in Kaidan's shoes.  How shell shocked would you be?  Your dead girlfriend/love of your life has returned.  She's with the enemy.  She might have faked the whole thing--her death, her everything you built with her, etc.  And you just narrowly escaped being abducted by an alien invasion.  The only solid thing Kaidan had to hold onto right then was his belief in the Alliance.

[carilynn46]

jade you are like my kaidan understanding hero you should write the Kaidan hand guide

[FireEye]

I know it can depend on the Shepard, but really Kaidan standing up to Shepard takes some guts in any situation.  Shepard can be and often is the most charismatic and/or dangerous person in the galaxy. 

[fortunesque]

carilynn46 wrote...

jade you are like my kaidan understanding hero you should write the Kaidan hand guide

Heehee. Hand guide 

[NICKjnp]

fortunesque wrote...

carilynn46 wrote...

jade you are like my kaidan understanding hero you should write the Kaidan hand guide

Heehee. Hand guide 

Isn't that supposed to stay in the KAAS?

[fortunesque]

NICKjnp wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

carilynn46 wrote...

jade you are like my kaidan understanding hero you should write the Kaidan hand guide

Heehee. Hand guide 

Isn't that supposed to stay in the KAAS?

Tiny little quips of innuendo? Not necessarily. 

[FireEye]

fortunesque wrote...

carilynn46 wrote...

jade you are like my kaidan understanding hero you should write the Kaidan hand guide

Heehee. Hand guide 

Kaidan doesn't need a hand guide.  He knows where the hands go. 



... not the best illustration of my point, but it works just the same.  :innocent:

[Joisan]

Guess what... I have another update for those who have been following the adventures of Carth and Andra in Truth and Lies. http://social.biowar...11885/25398.jpg



I'm just going to study that picture to bring my mood up. After the beginning, this chapter kind of turned into a real downer.

[Forum Aura]

Joisan wrote...

Darn it, where's my post from earlier when the subject of "loved" came up. I know Sia (or at least, one of her Shepards, Meghan) makes much of the past tense there, but here's my take on it: It doesn't mean he doesn't care for her anymore. Because really, seriously, just look at him. He wouldn't be hurting that bad if he didn't. But just like I wouldn't say I "love", present tense, my brother who passed away almost 8 years ago, Kaidan uses the past tense in speaking of Shepard because he assumed when she got spaced that it was over... until he runs into her on Horizon.

I'm convinced! 

[carilynn46]

so i was listening to Jar of hearts by Christina Perri today and for some reason it seemed like the perfect song for Kaidan if shep cheats on him even more so if she flirts with every one to the pont where they say "what about garrus, or thane, and even jacob"