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[FireEye]

Moved from the FemShep thread:

FireEye wrote...

elfadelbosco wrote...

I'm dowloading FRAPS, thank you.

Speaking about the love-story with Kaidan, there's something I don't get: I don't know if you girls already talked about it, but... only one night?
I mean, Shep and Alenko made love that famous night before Ilos, ok, then they killed Saren, they got some broken limbs, sometime had to pass... but when they are back on the Normandy hunting Geths why didn't they do it again? O_O

This can be taken in a few ways.

Some people imply that it's a one night stand, from Kaidan's "This can't change anything."  Really, he means that if they live through tomorrow, it can't mess with their social standing within their jobs (ex: Shepard throwing away the fate of the galaxy for the sake of Kaidan's well being would be a bad thing and he wouldn't have forgiven her for it) because loyalty to the Alliance is still #1.

Which could be implication #2, they only got the night before Ilos before going back to the Alliance after the attack on the Citadel, not getting arrested for mutiny since they did in fact make it through, and going back to the flirtiness but in a constant state of, "No time for love, Dr. Jones!" and back to waiting for that shore leave.  They might not have had the time for it on top of everything else.

Implication #3: Kaidan is a romantic, much as he tries to deny it.  The night before Ilos, he admitted his feelings to Shepard - no turning back, no way out (and from the game's perspective, whether Shepard sleeps with him then or not, that night still meant everything to him; probably not intentional, but still).  The night before Ilos was an emotional highlight of his life; anything after it was probably fun but less likely to mean "everything"
to him more than Ilos already had.

*Shrug?*  It's however you want to think of it, like everything else that's intentionally left vague.  At least until ME3 when the writers say, "What, the fans think that meant something?  Bah!  Let's show them!" and set it in stone.  (Or, you know, leave it alone completely, in which case it's vague again).

Have at it. 

Modifié par FireEye, 18 novembre 2010 - 09:41 .

[fortunesque]

Well, what Kaidan says on Horizon shoots the whole 'one night stand' stuff down. It's not just a one night stand if you love the other person.

[Sialater]

Like I said on that thread. I depends on your Shepard. He and Avery... two very frustrated individuals for that month before her death. There was never any time to just be together. Just stolen moments that were continuously interrupted.



Meghan... not quite so ethical. She sent everyone on 24hour shore leave and had the ship to herself with Kaidan. Also... there were a lot of meetings. Late at night/early in the morning.



He mentions Ilos because it WAS the first time Shep rocked his world, after all.

[sagefic]

i think it really is left vague - so it's fanfic gold.



i think it runs the gamut from fort's parallax, where that was NOT just the one time to sapphy/sia, others' fic where it was and there are peeps in between. my own fic i settled on 3 times after ilos - seemed like a nice number.

[Sialater]

Didn't say she was dumb. That's just what Avery would have done.



They're both good people, but Meghan, being a Sole Survivor and with everything she lost on Akuze, is more Carpe Diem than Avery. Avery sees regs as her salvation. Hence the no further cuddle time with Kaidan for her.

[FireEye]

My Shepard is savvy enough to have pulled a shore leave out of her hat for the crew after the battle for the Citadel.  I'm not sure if anything actually happened during that time, though.  She's not very romantic and tends to fall into trouble quite easily. 

Modifié par FireEye, 18 novembre 2010 - 10:07 .

[freelovefreeway]

That stupid part of the email drives me crazy. I can't get my brain to read it as anything but an indicator that they only slept together the once. So then I fall into the group that has "other stuff" getting in the way, but most of my Sheps wouldn't have let that happen. It's highly frustrating.



Most people seem to be able to read the line either way, though, so I tell myself that poor Kaidan can get some in other people's heads at least.

[sagefic]

lol, freelove. that's funny. i felt like a total split personality when writing fanfic for kyrie sometimes. i think she'd be professional enough - and worried about kaidan getting in trouble enough - to try not to break the regs. but i also see her as a 'capre diem' type as sia said, in spite of her being mostly paragon. result was, she debates with herself a lot and sometimes things just happened. o.O

[Sialater]

I don't want to make it sound like if there was a flat surface and no witnesses, Meghan had her way with him.... though she did... a lot.



There was more frustration than there was fulfillment.

[FireEye]

XD

My Shep doesn't really care about the regs, given everything else she's done, and figures that if push comes to shove, she can pull the "I forced him into it" card and take full blame for it.  She's just... more interested in the love and knowing he's there than the sex, I guess. 

I know, I know.  She's defective, I'm telling you. 

[Jean]

dirae wrote...

Chignon wrote...

To be honest, I've had enough of angsty endings and it gets old after a while. But that's just my opinion.

*shrug* One person's tasteful pathos is another person's angst. I think if anything is written well, it's gonna be appreciated. I like when things are crafted well-- even downer storylines *wouldn't* be angsty because it's written well. Does that make sense?

I guess I'm just worried Bioware has too many balls to juggle.

Bioware seems to really want to become less structured and thoughtful in their games in favor of becoming a 1st person shooter kind of company. Does anyone else sense that? It feels very foreboding as an RPG fan. I've heard whispers of them wanting to reintroduce RPG elements in ME3, but what does that even mean, really? Maybe its EA's influence, I don't have a high opinion of EA at all. My imagination paints EA as a big dumb jock looming over Bioware's artist desk saying "Wut is dat dere? Too many big words. Make Manshep more. Female shep bad. Liara Liara Liara. Gun Shoot. Go BOOM."

I think happy endings are overrated-- there are SOME cases where they don't fit and its just very... weird. Like when Spielberg tried to force a Kubrick film into being a Speilberg film....

xbox360.ign.com/articles/113/1135527p1.html

Maybe not a first person shooter, but definitely going for the shooter crowd. Not a bad thing per se but... I dunno. As long as it has nothing to do with Shepard, it could be a good game.

Modifié par Batteries, 18 novembre 2010 - 10:56 .

[dirae]

Batteries wrote...

xbox360.ign.com/articles/113/1135527p1.html

Maybe not a first person shooter, but definitely going for the shooter crowd. Not a bad thing per se but... I dunno. As long as it has nothing to do with Shepard, it could be a good game.

nooooo
No offense to fans of that kind of gaming. As for me... no thanks.
I should have tried harder to avoid the news.... Blah.

Anyway, FireEye, I like the way your Shepard thinks She'd have to work fast and take on all the blame before anyone knows about it, because I'm sure if Kaidan suspected that, he'd try to beat her to the punch. Silly noble Kaidan.

Modifié par dirae, 18 novembre 2010 - 11:20 .

[sagefic]

Batteries wrote...

xbox360.ign.com/articles/113/1135527p1.html

Maybe not a first person shooter, but definitely going for the shooter crowd. Not a bad thing per se but... I dunno. As long as it has nothing to do with Shepard, it could be a good game.

i would love to play such a game with the hubby. i think i have liked ME as a "shooter" because it has biotics - which are not just pure guns and ammo. i would have fun with that. but i rally want news on kaidan. *pouts*

[Jean]

sagequeen wrote...

Batteries wrote...

xbox360.ign.com/articles/113/1135527p1.html

Maybe not a first person shooter, but definitely going for the shooter crowd. Not a bad thing per se but... I dunno. As long as it has nothing to do with Shepard, it could be a good game.

i would love to play such a game with the hubby. i think i have liked ME as a "shooter" because it has biotics - which are not just pure guns and ammo. i would have fun with that. but i rally want news on kaidan. *pouts*

I loved Biotics in ME2. The power and offensive feeling of them seemed to mesh really well with the more shooter aspect of it without going full blown on it.

[dirae]

[quote]Batteries wrote...

[quote]sagequeen wrote...

I loved Biotics in ME2. The power and offensive feeling of them seemed to mesh really well with the more shooter aspect of it without going full blown on it.

[/quote]
Oh, I dearly miss BioticCharge in my current replay of ME1. So you're telling me I can't just shoot across chasms and hit a guy with explosive force? I gotta actually run around, go up the flight of stairs and stuff? BOO.

I have seriously hundreds of screenshots of hilarious moments where biotic charge made my enemy fly with their butts in the air. Or when I used it to push them off ledged and cliffs.

My favorite power in ME2. Nothing else comes close.
Well, maybe the drones, but only because of Tali. "Go for the optics!"

[Jean]

Speaking of Tali, I'm curious about something.
I just finished doing her trial and I was thinking about the paragon/renegade system. Which game do you think has the better system?
I think I prefer ME1s with adding in points in the meter to determine the options instead of the "reputation" system in ME2. It's a pain when a lot of the options are grayed out for me most of the time since I'm not consistently one or the other . Don't see why my Shep shouldn't be able to select the renegade option to express the amount of bullsh!t involved with the entire trial in the first place 'cuz of that.

[sagefic]

Batteries wrote...

Speaking of Tali, I'm curious about something.
I just finished doing her trial and I was thinking about the paragon/renegade system. Which game do you think has the better system?
I think I prefer ME1s with adding in points in the meter to determine the options instead of the "reputation" system in ME2. It's a pain when a lot of the options are grayed out for me most of the time since I'm not consistently one or the other . Don't see why my Shep shouldn't be able to select the renegade option to express the amount of bullsh!t involved with the entire trial in the first place 'cuz of that.

i liked it. but i always want every persuade option ever, so it meant in ME1 i wasted a lot of points on charm rather than skillzors.

[Jean]

sagequeen wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Speaking of Tali, I'm curious about something.
I just finished doing her trial and I was thinking about the paragon/renegade system. Which game do you think has the better system?
I think I prefer ME1s with adding in points in the meter to determine the options instead of the "reputation" system in ME2. It's a pain when a lot of the options are grayed out for me most of the time since I'm not consistently one or the other . Don't see why my Shep shouldn't be able to select the renegade option to express the amount of bullsh!t involved with the entire trial in the first place 'cuz of that.

i liked it. but i always want every persuade option ever, so it meant in ME1 i wasted a lot of points on charm rather than skillzors.

Yeah forgot to add that. But maybe something like the "coercion" skill in DA might work without having to spend so many points just in charm and intimidate.

[mineralica]

O'k it seems to I'm late for discussion again.

As for "night before Ilos" I think it referred to "finally admitted feelings and considered them as more importantthan everything else" than "had sex", so Kaidan mentions as unique first description, not (maybe) second.

Btw, localized letter was full of "fun". Here's not strict translation back on English of two lines that nearly killed me: "I couldn't overcome the pain of loss, so I consumed alcohol much - nothing serious, friends found doctor from Citadel which helped me to cope with this" and "If you're still a woman, as I know, you'll find a way to stop the Collectors"

[fortunesque]

That's a really strange translation. The original says that he went on a casual date with a doctor on the Citadel to get drinks because his friends talked him into it. He wasn't being serious with that date and was just trying to live a normal life.



So whoever translated that letter to your language did not do a very good job. There was nothing to indicate that he became a drunk :/

[sesheta255]

lmao, that translation is brilliant. I love the "if you're still a woman, as I know" part

[dirae]

a little off topic. Does everyone here use Fraps? I'm using WeGame at the moment, but the resolution isn't that good unless you shell out some dough, I guess.