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[FireEye]

There are more than three Normandy marines, but we never use them in the field outside of Virmire. They guard the bomb with whoever you leave behind.

Modifié par FireEye, 21 novembre 2010 - 01:24 .

[Sialater]

Thought those were random crewmembers, not marines.

[FireEye]

*shrug?* You seem to have at least four marines doing guard duty on certain of the Normandy's doors at all times. I honestly don't know where you pull the guys guarding the bomb from, but I doubt you'd toss the navigators out there in hardsuits and tell them to have at it...



Then again, it could just be an oversight? I honestly don't know - but that's the impression I got: you have other marines, but you don't use them.

[Sialater]

I also thought they got back on the ship after dumping the bomb and didn't stay. But it's been awhile since I've been to Virmire and I always save Kaidan at the bomb.

[FireEye]

There's at least one on the far side of Kaidan/Ashley when you come back to the bombsite. I thought I saw two once, but that may have been my imagination... given the situation, I kinda assumed there were more and they got shot down before you could get there. (I think maybe he/they vanish when Saren arrives, but I don't remember).

[mineralica]

Initially there are three marines: one waves where to set the bomb, one helps Kaidan to carry bomb and one walks past of them all. When Shepard leaves for attempt to save Ashley, only one marine left - he stands before Kaidan, holding an assault rifle. There's no other people at the bomb site. When Shepard comes back to save Kaidan, poor marine is killed while door opens - in my case, he was simultaneously hit by rocket and snipered.

[General User]

No Alliance Marines sent with Kirrahe? That’s messed up.



“Sorry Salarians, we know you’re basically looking at a suicide run, and normally we’d love to lend you a little extra firepower… but we have to stand next to this door.”



Though I suppose if all Normandy’s Marines (all, what, four of ‘em?) were detailed to provide security for the bomb emplacement then Kaiden could justifiably be left on the Normandy to lead his Marines.



I still say Kaiden was the superior choice as a liaison, if for no other reason than that he’s an officer as opposed to an NCO. Liaising with foreign militaries is an officers’ job, leading security details is an NCOs’.

[sapphyreelf]

There are definitely strong reasons as to why Kaidan would be a good choice to assist Kirrahe. With my cannon Shepard, I do keep Kaidan with my Shepard because, well, she's not the best with tech being a Vanguard, and since I head to Virmire last, she's pretty much accustomed to having Kaidan take care of the tech for her out in the field. Not to mention that once they start discussing the details on the bomb, Kaidan is the only one she'd trust to set up that device. Regardless if he'd be better to liaise with foreign militaries, she's going to need him elsewhere.

[Giggles_Manically]

So some Kaidan related notes.



I loled very hard during the UNC: Hostile take over mission.



The last boss hid behind I crate, I went to flank him but he was not there. Then out of no where he flies into a wall and Kaidan double taps him, giving me the all clear. Anyone who thinks he is useless in a fight has issues.



I finally found his infamous "always a good idea to RTFM ma'am line" which again made me laugh.



Just to close I really like how Kaidan and maleShepard at least come to be friends at the end of ME1 it seems, and how he does seem to open up a little bit. Like for my war hero he asks how he dealt with losing people on Elysium, when Ashley had just died on Virmire.



Leading me to HATE how Horizon screws that up, and I dont get an email. I miss having someone I can count on as a 2IC. It may just be my Republic commando, and ME1 experience talking, but Sbarge does have a voice that carries some experience with it.



Also on Virmire I always evac the AA tower since the Salarians are still mostly alive, and the bomb is going to go off no matter what according to the one left behind.

[sapphyreelf]

I've done the AA rescue exactly once, with my single Shepard, where she sent Kaidan with the Salarians. All the other times, I go back to the bomb. So long as I succeed with all the distraction points, the Salarians all make it back. But to not meta-game my decision, my cannon Shepard goes back to the bomb, not because Kaidan is there, but because the main objective is to blow the place. And there is no way for her to know that he can hold them off long enough to ensure that a geth won't be able to deactivate it. They have to fall back to the bomb.

[Giggles_Manically]

Still the Saren scene is more awesome on the AA tower when he holds Shepard over the ledge.



Besides Kirrahe points out that once the bomb is armed there is pretty much nothing that can stop it from going off.

[sapphyreelf]

I disagree that the AA tower scene is more awesome. I've done both. I think it's just as impressive doing the nuke rescue (even if you're rescuing Ashley). You're just not getting dangled over a ledge.

And, as good as the Salarian Special Task Force is, I don't believe that they truly know or understand how advanced the geth are. There is no way for Kirrahe to know if the geth are able to get around whatever electronic measures that they used on the nuclear device.

[General User]

That’s exactly my hang-up, Shepard has a responsibility to go back to make sure the geth don’t secure the bomb. So who you choose as liaison (and thus who winds up on the AA tower) is the critical decision in that mission.

[JockBuster]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Still the Saren scene is more awesome on the AA tower when he holds Shepard over the ledge.
Besides Kirrahe points out that once the bomb is armed there is pretty much nothing that can stop it from going off.

I WILL disagree with you. The fight on the AA tower is a cake walk, too EASY .... the fight at the bomb is against a Juggernaut, Prime, and at least 2 snipers and if you play on hardcore they are huge & tough. Also IF Saren was holding Shepard over the edge, when Shepard punches him and Saren lets go, Shepard would drop to his death and not land on the platform (artistic license from BW + the animation is EXACTLY at the same bomb or AA tower). I always go back to save Kaidan @ the bomb (THE single most emotional event in the WHOLE game, ME1 or ME2), except ONE save game where I save ME1 LI Ashley, for the dialogue and to see what happens in ME2 {fully believable & expected response} then the outcome in ME3. Sometimes I let Kirrahe die for believability; the dialogue changes with Mordin in ME2 and I'm NOT sure what happens in ME3 maybe Shepard & Kirrahe work together again? 

Modifié par JockBuster, 21 novembre 2010 - 04:15 .

[mineralica]

I agree that Geth might deactivate the nuke, but other reason was if they could make it explode faster than expected. I know, this is just a game and nobody going to kill main hero, but imagine situation when Shepard saves someone at AA tower just to be killed by blast together.

The only problem on a bomb side is Shepard carrying Kaidan at her shoulders. Strong woman. C'mon, Wrex, why are you just standing nearby?

[maegnas55]

Strange thing in that scene is Shepard carrying Kaidan without any problem but in ME2 she only helps Joker when the poor guy clearly can't walk very fast. She should have carried him instead

[FireEye]

I thought about the Virmire decision a lot, and it's actually pretty amazingly even weighted.

If you go back to protect the bomb, you ensure it goes off.  However, you leave yourself open for them to recapture the tower and shooting down the Normandy.  You get the cutscene of carrying someone out if you want to be heroic.  You have marines there.

If you take on the tower and ensure the Normandy isn't shot down, you allow geth to potentially hack the bomb and shut it down early (they should be technical geniuses, after all.)  You get the cutscene of the defender making a last stand.  You have salarians there.

As for Ashley and Kaidan - Kaidan is technically better with bomb (particularly if you're a soldier Shepard), but Ashley can do it.  Ashley is going under Kirrahe's command to organize his troops (With Kirrahe and Lieutenant what's-his-face, mirroring the Shepard - Commander, Kaidan - Lieutenant, Ashley - Senior NCO setup you have), but Kaidan can do just as well since commanding people is his job.

Also, I think I've kept the bomb site marine alive up until Saren arrives.  He hid behind a bit of wall and I ran out into the open like a soldier-classed Shepard is wont to do.  So all the geth targeted me. 

Modifié par FireEye, 21 novembre 2010 - 07:38 .

[Jean]

maegnas55 wrote...

Strange thing in that scene is Shepard carrying Kaidan without any problem but in ME2 she only helps Joker when the poor guy clearly can't walk very fast. She should have carried him instead

She had to carry Kaidan farther than she had to help Joker. Joker was just around the corner and plus Kaidan or Ash were wounded.
But when I first saw FemShep pick up Kaidan, even though the situation was sad, I couldn't help but grin like a fool.

[maegnas55]

Batteries wrote...



She had to carry Kaidan farther than she had to help Joker. Joker was just around the corner and plus Kaidan or Ash were wounded.
But when I first saw FemShep pick up Kaidan, even though the situation was sad, I couldn't help but grin like a fool.

 love that comic! But what you say istrue,... Joker was closer to the pods than Kaidan/Ashley was to the Normandy. Still, something like that comic would have been hilarious! 

[Chignon]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I finally found his infamous "always a good idea to RTFM ma'am line" which again made me laugh.

That's definitely one of my favourite lines.

-

Some pictures from my recent Horizon playthrough:





ME2 has become such a chore to do.

[maegnas55]

 ah they're so sweet together! stupid Horizon and the Horizon theme on the ME2 soundtrack is so sad. Everytime I listen to it it makes me wanna 

[Jean]

maegnas55 wrote...

 ah they're so sweet together! stupid Horizon and the Horizon theme on the ME2 soundtrack is so sad. Everytime I listen to it it makes me wanna 

I'm glad they used Vigil's theme when you meet up with Kaidan/Ash and Wrex. Gave such a nostalgic feeling to it

[maegnas55]

yes the soundtrack is very powerful I think they are in nomation for best soundtrack at the 2010 VGA next month. Sure hope they're gonna win that and some other thibngs

[Sialater]

Much love to Shenzi for giving me a Kaidan hug to show y'all.





Avery & Kaidan BEFORE it was complicated.

[Jean]

For soundtracks I'd probably give that off to Halo Reach. Needless to say Mass Effect has some awesome music.