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[Nightodie]

Much better, thank you both.

*leans back and sips some tea*

Edit: Top of the page Kaidan...

Modifié par Nightodie, 05 décembre 2010 - 11:47 .

[Quaay]

I want ME3 or Kaidan/Ash DLC now kkthx. The wait better be worth it, BioWare.

[Melindil]

Quaay wrote...

I want ME3 or Kaidan/Ash DLC now kkthx. The wait better be worth it, BioWare.

Seconded.  I may or may not have played through ME1 (again) recently and played through the dialogue on Horizon multiple times today just to get some kind of fix.

Negative attention is better than no attention, right?

[Commander Kurt]

I never use Phoenix, but my next playthrough is going to be all Phoenix for the whole squad on Insanity. Wrex actually looks angrier than usual when I make him wear it..


And actually, I've found something I DON'T like about Kaidan. That "Enemies everywhere!" line is seriously starting to get to me. You guys don't like Horizon (I think it sets the stage really well), Kaidan being out of character and all. Well, talk about being out of character.

[sesheta255]

The main problem I have with Horizon is Shepard's dialogue. I knew before playing ME2 that Kaidan only had a cameo, I just wasn't expecting what we got, lol. I actually thought we may have had to rescue him from the Collectors.

I don't see his reaction on Horizon as being out of character. In ME1 he tells Shepard quite clearly after they steal the Normandy that he wouldn't be there if he didn't think they were doing the right thing. On Horizon he's confronted by a friend and/or lover who he now thinks has not only faked her/his own death, but is also working for what was clearly made out to be a terrorist organisation in ME1. I can totally understand his reaction, he has to be shocked, bewildered, angry, and any other emotion you can name. Neither of them were obviously thinking very clearly.

Thats my take on it anyway, lol

And the only good Phoenix armour is omnigelled phoenix armour

Modifié par sesheta255, 06 décembre 2010 - 10:19 .

[Commander Kurt]

I do agree, Sesh. Shep is saying all the wrong things, but I can sort of understand her. She's had a rough time, poor thing.
And I'm glad it has really poor stats, imagine if pink armour was top of the line..?  But I love my cotton candy death squad!

[Nightodie]

Yeah, we all know how I feel, and I am not going there...




So There!!!

Modifié par Nightodie, 06 décembre 2010 - 11:58 .

[mineralica]

Even if Horizon bad in terms of relationship, it's still one of the most emotion-driving moments of ME2 for me and I still like it for a drama. This mission would be wonderful background for the future reunion

[Commander Kurt]

As I stated in the "does anyone like horizon?" thread, I pretty much stop listening myself as soon as someone pulls the "I was dead at the time"-card..

I don't blame Kaidan for not listening to that bs (which it isn't, but seriously). Everyone else just going along with it is rather silly in my opinion.

[syllogi]

The fact that Kaidan and Ashley react exactly the same way on Horizon is proof that it's badly written, and they didn't care to spend more time on thinking of a plausible way to explain the "breakup". Because, even though they would both be appalled by Shepard working with Cerberus, I don't think that either of them would yell like that and walk away without getting more information.

Even Tali's scene on Freedom's Progress was weird...she didn't want more info about how Shepard survived, after Veetor was found and they had a minute to talk? She didn't ask why Shepard quit or wouldn't go back to the Alliance? You'd think that resurrection was actually no big deal with the way people reacted to it.

From the previews, I thought Ashley/Kaidan would be kidnapped by the Collectors...and this could have worked to separate Shepard from them, if the writers decided to make it so that they are always rescueable, even if Lilith or Kelly/the crew are on the timed event schedule. But that would not have pushed the characters apart, or made the new LIs more appealing. As someone said above, it's like those terrible fan fiction writers who think it's in character to make Kaidan HIT Shepard on or after Horizon...but it was the actual Bioware writers who decided that the Virmire Survivor couldn't wait five more minutes for a better explanation of what the heck was going on.

And no matter how awesome Kaidan's role is in DLC and/or ME3, I will always feel like ME2 was at least somewhat tainted for me by the derpiness of Shepard, on Horizon, and the fact that this thread has had nothing to talk about but that for all this time. I would *love* to stop moaning about Horizon, believe me.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 06 décembre 2010 - 12:36 .

[Commander Kurt]

Well, there's always pink armour to discuss..

This discussion (and our faith) will improove when we get some info on what the future holds. I can still enjoy ME2, but I have to remind myself that Kai/Ash is not supposed to be in that game. Sure Horizon is a cop out (edit; I thought it was okay, I get why they where saving money here), but there are other things in the game that are alot of fun.

After ME2, I actually thought Liara got the worst treatment (assignments, sure, but it all felt so strange). Then she got her DLC, and it was awesome. Maybe we'll get ours aswell, and I for one won't chew Biowares head off until I know if they really let us down or not.

They'll tell us when they can. And I'll just lay here by the door like a good dog and wait.

Modifié par Commander Kurt, 06 décembre 2010 - 01:18 .

[FireEye]

Commander Kurt wrote...

And actually, I've found something I DON'T like about Kaidan. That "Enemies everywhere!" line is seriously starting to get to me.

I'm pretty sure that "Enemies everywhere!" isn't Kaidan, it's the guys you're fighting.  Apparently, the three of you are everywhere. 

Modifié par FireEye, 06 décembre 2010 - 01:55 .

[Jean]

"Now it gets fun!"



"Finally! Some action!"(Though I think most squadmates got this line. I know Liara has it.)

[FireEye]

"Not now, commander!"





... as in, "now is not the time for groping, ma'am."

[Selenora]

mineralica wrote...

Even if Horizon bad in terms of relationship, it's still one of the most emotion-driving moments of ME2 for me and I still like it for a drama. This mission would be wonderful background for the future reunion

It was emotional enough for me to make me quit the game after waiting for 2 years to see kaidan again

[Selenora]

TeenZombie wrote...

 it's like those terrible fan fiction writers who think it's in character to make Kaidan HIT Shepard on or after Horizon....

Errrrrrrrrrr..............cough / im one of these terrible fan fiction writers who made kai short of attack shep/ cough ))

[syllogi]

Selenora wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

 it's like those terrible fan fiction writers who think it's in character to make Kaidan HIT Shepard on or after Horizon....

Errrrrrrrrrr..............cough / im one of these terrible fan fiction writers who made kai short of attack shep/ cough ))

LOL, I am the person who had a drunk Shepard slap Kaidan (not that hard!), but it was a silly little short story, and I didn't think of it as "canon".  So I can't blame anyone for injecting drama into their stories.  I think it's more believable, however, to have your own Shepard lose control, than to have KAIDAN, of all characters, actually raise his hand against Shepard in anger.  Even if he saw her with her new ~*awsum*~ ME2 LI, which is usually how these stories go down.  It's cheap, lazy, and doesn't do justice to the new LI either, because if the writer really was secure in how awesome their new love interest was, they wouldn't have to make Kaidan look horrible in comparison.  (See:  Ron the Death Eater and Die For Our Ship for reference).  This is why I can read Sia's Loved without wincing...I *know* that she will treat all of the characters respectfully and intelligently.

Personally, one of the things that made me a passionate Kaidan fan was that he was realistic, and in real life, once you're past a certain age, most relationships don't end with jealous ex-boyfriends slapping women, while the new awesome boyfriend jumps in to protect the damsel.  Mature relationships are actually kind of boring, even when they're ending...which is not good for fan fiction (or video games!), but if someone *can* make a mature breakup or bump in the relationship work in fiction, it's something special.

So yeah...please don't make Kaidan hit Shepard.  That makes me sad. 

Modifié par TeenZombie, 06 décembre 2010 - 03:33 .

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

LOL, I am the person who had a drunk Shepard slap Kaidan (not that hard!), but it was a silly little short story, and I didn't think of it as "canon".  So I can't blame anyone for injecting drama into their stories.  I think it's more believable, however, to have your own Shepard lose control, than to have KAIDAN, of all characters, actually raise his hand against Shepard in anger.  Even if he saw her with her new ~*awsum*~ ME2 LI, which is usually how these stories go down.  It's cheap, lazy, and doesn't do justice to the new LI either, because if the writer really was secure in how awesome their new love interest was, they wouldn't have to make Kaidan look horrible in comparison.  (See:  Ron the Death Eater and Die For Our Ship for reference).  This is why I can read Sia's Loved without wincing...I *know* that she will treat all of the characters respectfully and intelligently.

Personally, one of the things that made me a passionate Kaidan fan was that he was realistic, and in real life, once you're past a certain age, most relationships don't end with jealous ex-boyfriends slapping women, while the new awesome boyfriend jumps in to protect the damsel.  Mature relationships are actually kind of boring, even when they're ending...which is not good for fan fiction (or video games!), but if someone *can* make a mature breakup or bump in the relationship work, it's something special.

So yeah...please don't make Kaidan hit Shepard.  That makes me sad. 

Awww, thank you, Teen.  My little triangle thanks you, too.

[Giggles_Manically]

Kaidan is not really a person to hit someone.



Vyrnus had it coming but even if someone got in his face and was horribly rude to him Kaidan would not attack them.

He might say something very nasty but to outright hit somone? I doubt it.

[Chignon]

TeenZombie wrote...

The fact that Kaidan and Ashley react exactly the same way on Horizon is proof that it's badly written, and they didn't care to spend more time on thinking of a plausible way to explain the "breakup". Because, even though they would both be appalled by Shepard working with Cerberus, I don't think that either of them would yell like that and walk away without getting more information.

Even Tali's scene on Freedom's Progress was weird...she didn't want more info about how Shepard survived, after Veetor was found and they had a minute to talk? She didn't ask why Shepard quit or wouldn't go back to the Alliance? You'd think that resurrection was actually no big deal with the way people reacted to it.

From the previews, I thought Ashley/Kaidan would be kidnapped by the Collectors...and this could have worked to separate Shepard from them, if the writers decided to make it so that they are always rescueable, even if Lilith or Kelly/the crew are on the timed event schedule. But that would not have pushed the characters apart, or made the new LIs more appealing. As someone said above, it's like those terrible fan fiction writers who think it's in character to make Kaidan HIT Shepard on or after Horizon...but it was the actual Bioware writers who decided that the Virmire Survivor couldn't wait five more minutes for a better explanation of what the heck was going on.

And no matter how awesome Kaidan's role is in DLC and/or ME3, I will always feel like ME2 was at least somewhat tainted for me by the derpiness of Shepard, on Horizon, and the fact that this thread has had nothing to talk about but that for all this time. I would *love* to stop moaning about Horizon, believe me.

I agree with every single word you wrote, Teen. Great post.

FireEye wrote...

"Not now, commander!"


... as in, "now is not the time for groping, ma'am."

Speaking of groping ...

[Selenora]

TeenZombie wrote...

Selenora wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

 it's like those terrible fan fiction writers who think it's in character to make Kaidan HIT Shepard on or after Horizon....

Errrrrrrrrrr..............cough / im one of these terrible fan fiction writers who made kai short of attack shep/ cough ))

LOL, I am the person who had a drunk Shepard slap Kaidan (not that hard!), but it was a silly little short story, and I didn't think of it as "canon".  So I can't blame anyone for injecting drama into their stories.  I think it's more believable, however, to have your own Shepard lose control, than to have KAIDAN, of all characters, actually raise his hand against Shepard in anger.  Even if he saw her with her new ~*awsum*~ ME2 LI, which is usually how these stories go down.  It's cheap, lazy, and doesn't do justice to the new LI either, because if the writer really was secure in how awesome their new love interest was, they wouldn't have to make Kaidan look horrible in comparison.  (See:  Ron the Death Eater and Die For Our Ship for reference).  This is why I can read Sia's Loved without wincing...I *know* that she will treat all of the characters respectfully and intelligently.

Personally, one of the things that made me a passionate Kaidan fan was that he was realistic, and in real life, once you're past a certain age, most relationships don't end with jealous ex-boyfriends slapping women, while the new awesome boyfriend jumps in to protect the damsel.  Mature relationships are actually kind of boring, even when they're ending...which is not good for fan fiction (or video games!), but if someone *can* make a mature breakup or bump in the relationship work in fiction, it's something special.

So yeah...please don't make Kaidan hit Shepard.  That makes me sad. 

Ok i feel quilty now

[syllogi]

Selenora wrote...
Ok i feel quilty now

I'm not trying to make you feel guilty!  /hug!  I haven't read your particular fic, so I wouldn't try to judge it...I just feel strongly about the idea of that sort of element used to make Kaidan look crazy or mean, or to just insert drama without thinking about what the writer is actually saying about a character who would do that sort of thing.

In my own, personal, life experience I have seen how harmful it can be to have a physically violent relationship.  I wouldn't even tolerate someone breaking objects or hitting walls around me; that can be just as intimidating and violent as a threat.  So seeing people turn Kaidan into a massive abusive jerk bothers me.  I'd rather they just have him die at Virmire if they don't like him that much. 

Basically, though, if a writer can make something like that plausible and give good reason for it happening, I would be impressed.  I haven't seen it happen, though, in any ME2 LI fics where Kaidan is the jealous ex.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 06 décembre 2010 - 04:24 .

[Selenora]

TeenZombie wrote...

Selenora wrote...
Ok i feel quilty now

I'm not trying to make you feel guilty!  /hug!  I haven't read your particular fic, so I wouldn't try to judge it...I just feel strongly about the idea of that sort of element used to make Kaidan look crazy or mean, or to just insert drama without thinking about what the writer is actually saying about a character who would do that sort of thing.

In my own, personal, life experience I have seen how harmful it can be to have a physically violent relationship.  I wouldn't even tolerate someone breaking objects or hitting walls around me; that can be just as intimidating and violent as a threat.  So seeing people turn Kaidan into a massive abusive jerk bothers me.  I'd rather they just have him die at Virmire if they don't like him that much. 

Basically, though, if a writer can make something like that plausible and give good reason for it happening, I would be impressed.  I haven't seen it happen, though, in any ME2 LI fics where Kaidan is the jealous ex.

No, no, no.........i'm feeling hurt right now..i think im gonna go find Kaidan to give me a hug ../snip/
and a kiss
and...errrrrr..... no way i'll tell you what more

[jillyfae]

@TZ: You are extra eloquent today. I've never understood why anyone would want to write fic in which they make a character incredibly different from the canon. If you don't like them as is, don't have them, or show what happened to change them, or put an Original Character in to serve that particular plot point or something that is less lazy and potentially offensive than mangling someone else's character arc.

[jillyfae]

And ooh, speaking of fic *though hopefully a good one*,

Chapter 13 of Persephone Rising is up, for those enjoying a Normandy crew tormented by triple-Shepards.