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[Encarmine]

No offence taken at all, this is after all a forum. And i respect with a game of this magnitude people get attached to favorite characters and for the VS community I hope I am wrong.



Its either 3 things though

1.He/She was freed after the event, which we didnt see.

2.Its a plothole

3.S/He is a reaper agent



The only reason i lean towards 3 is, its been two years so we dont know what happend in that time to that character, and the prothean backstory explains about sleeper agents (not in great detail though). And the fact S/he was so close to the collectors when they landed, so cannot understand how the character survived.



But I didnt mean to arrive and annoy and distract this thread from some serious Kaidan loving, if anyone was going to have a logical answer to my question, it was going to be the hardcore VS fans.



*slowly backs out of VS extreamist thread*



Cheerio

[Selenora]

mykaN7_13 wrote...

I'm going to chime in for a moment and say I agree with everyone else. I really don't want to think about Kaidan being affected by indoctrination or anything similar, and it's actually not as unreasonable as you'd think for Kaidan to have been left unscathed after Horizon. According to the mission summary posted here, masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Horizon_(mission) , the Collectors only got 1/3 of Horizon's population, so Kaidan/Ashley wouldn't be the only survivor of the Collectors.

Its weird to think that the collectors didnt grab him since they were there coz of him and if i was the HB i would but thank God hes not that smart )))

[Selenora]

Encarmine wrote...

No offence taken at all, this is after all a forum. And i respect with a game of this magnitude people get attached to favorite characters and for the VS community I hope I am wrong.

Its either 3 things though
1.He/She was freed after the event, which we didnt see.
2.Its a plothole

Fixed

[Daewan]

Encarmine wrote...

Its either 3 things though
1.He/She was freed after the event, which we didnt see.
2.Its a plothole
3.S/He is a reaper agent

The only reason i lean towards 3 is, its been two years so we dont know what happend in that time to that character, and the prothean backstory explains about sleeper agents (not in great detail though). And the fact S/he was so close to the collectors when they landed, so cannot understand how the character survived.

However, just because Shepard wasn't around for two years doesn't mean that no one else was.  In fact, for the last two years, the VS has been hanging around perfectly normal people, moving on with their lives, and doing such a good job that they got promoted.  This is regardless of whether or not the VS was emotionally entangled with Shepard.

Specifically, Anderson not only knows about but has been actively working against the Reapers the whole time.  If anyone was going to notice indoctrination in the VS, it would be Anderson.  So unless Anderson is also under Reaper control (and the books say that is not so) it seems very unlikely that the VS , who has been working closely with Anderson since Shepard's 'death' two years ago, would be under Reaper control.  That would be a huge plothole and extremely poor writing.  Even for the VS.

So, while the idea would be a lovely balm to the guilty consciences of the people who cheated on their ME1 LI and want an excuse to kill them, it really doesn't seem likely.  It's much more likely that Shepard will fall under some sort of Reaper control and have to be saved by the VS.

[Quaay]

I don't want some dirty reaper taking control of me through my implants either! If they turn me into some crazy demonic Saren type for implants I didn't choose in the first place I will freak out. I don't want Kaidan to see me like that lol. He can save me from a rock falling or something instead.

[Nightodie]

Daewan wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

Its either 3 things though
1.He/She was freed after the event, which we didnt see.
2.Its a plothole
3.S/He is a reaper agent

The only reason i lean towards 3 is, its been two years so we dont know what happend in that time to that character, and the prothean backstory explains about sleeper agents (not in great detail though). And the fact S/he was so close to the collectors when they landed, so cannot understand how the character survived.

However, just because Shepard wasn't around for two years doesn't mean that no one else was.  In fact, for the last two years, the VS has been hanging around perfectly normal people, moving on with their lives, and doing such a good job that they got promoted.  This is regardless of whether or not the VS was emotionally entangled with Shepard.

Specifically, Anderson not only knows about but has been actively working against the Reapers the whole time.  If anyone was going to notice indoctrination in the VS, it would be Anderson.  So unless Anderson is also under Reaper control (and the books say that is not so) it seems very unlikely that the VS , who has been working closely with Anderson since Shepard's 'death' two years ago, would be under Reaper control.  That would be a huge plothole and extremely poor writing.  Even for the VS.

So, while the idea would be a lovely balm to the guilty consciences of the people who cheated on their ME1 LI and want an excuse to kill them, it really doesn't seem likely.  It's much more likely that Shepard will fall under some sort of Reaper control and have to be saved by the VS.

OMG ^^^THIS!!!^^^

Please, Please, Please!!!  This is a much more heartwarming scenario

Pretty please?

[Sialater]

Daewan wrote...

So, while the idea would be a lovely balm to the guilty consciences of the people who cheated on their ME1 LI and want an excuse to kill them, it really doesn't seem likely.  It's much more likely that Shepard will fall under some sort of Reaper control and have to be saved by the VS.

Actually, Meghan would have the opposite reaction to Kaidan's indoctrination.  Fixing him might be the only thing that would make her leave her turian to go back to Kaidan.  Guilt would eat her alive. 


But then, Meg's wierd.

[Alice829]

Encarmine wrote...
Its either 3 things though
1.He/She was freed after the event, which we didnt see.
2.Its a plothole
3.S/He is a reaper agent

From a logical standpoint, I simply don't see how there was time for K/A to become indoctrinated. The process and effects were explained at some length in ME1, how the process takes days, and also that the more free will the subject loses, the less effective he/she becomes. I do find it interesting that Shiala, someone we KNOW was indoctrinated, seems to have shaken it off. Both Benezia and Saren were able to break free for small periods, but not entirely. Just wondering. Also, if he was a Reaper agent, and the Reapers want to get their tentacles on Shepard, wouldn't he stay close to her (since deep down he wants to), instead of walking away?

I also don't think it's a plothole. There are many gaps in the ME2 storytelling, but that particular conversation can only go one way, choice is an illusion there. So it's structured that way for a reason. Pretty much any love story that captivates people, from Shakepseare to Stephanie Meyers (I know, I know) has a hitch, sometimes several hitches, thrown into it. If everything had been all peachy after Horizon and everyone was happy, do you think this forum would be up to almost 2500 pages? It's having to work for a happy ending, not just having it handed to you, that gives it some drama and value. Back to the plothole point, how do you think the story would have played out if Kaidan or Ash had been taken by the Collectors? Right, you'd have been through that relay right behind them, or people would have been dropping out of the game like flies. It also would have made their separation an external conflict in a story already loaded with them, not a conflict between the two of them that needs to be resolved.

So yeah, I think he got away and we just didn't see it (would have killed the surprise when he popped out from behind those crates). We all know Horizon wasn't executed perfectly, but from a storytelling viewpoint, it fulfilled its function. Looking forward to seeing how it all works out!

Modifié par Alice829, 15 décembre 2010 - 04:39 .

[AkodoRyu]

Daewan wrote...

So, while the idea would be a lovely balm to the guilty consciences of the people who cheated on their ME1 LI and want an excuse to kill them, it really doesn't seem likely.  It's much more likely that Shepard will fall under some sort of Reaper control and have to be saved by the VS.

Great idea.

That's extremely rude of me, but my biggest wish atm is not to give haters any possibility to kill the VS just to spite them.

[syllogi]

AkodoRyu wrote...

Daewan wrote...

So, while the idea would be a lovely balm to the guilty consciences of the people who cheated on their ME1 LI and want an excuse to kill them, it really doesn't seem likely.  It's much more likely that Shepard will fall under some sort of Reaper control and have to be saved by the VS.

Great idea.

That's extremely rude of me, but my biggest wish atm is not to give haters any possibility to kill the VS just to spite them.

I'll be rude right along with you.  The one thing I hate most about the Mass Effect series is the treatment of Kaidan and Ashley.  It's like they're constantly being punished for being relatively normal human beings, instead of AWSUM aliens or heavily scarred, tattooed badasses.  The haters are usually pretty immature about their reasons for disliking the characters, and catering to them would be disappointing.  Don't like em?  Leave them on the ship until you have to take them along for a mission or they appear in a cutscene.  Goodness knows I learned to do that with the characters I didn't enjoy bringing with me in ME2, and somehow I managed to not hate them to the point of killing them in the suicide mission, and I don't bash them on this forum or make hate comics about them.

Not that I think that liking the idea of Ashley or Kaidan being indoctrinated makes someone a hater...it *could* be interesting, and would make the characters a big part of the story...but I feel that they need to be given a chance to shine in a way that doesn't make them a victim or bad guy, especially in this final chapter.

[RubyRed1975]

I think Kai/Ash have been victimized enough....If Bio does it again I'm going to be extremely upset...Oh yeah Hi everyone.

[Daewan]

I read all the comments, and I'm stuck on "SHUN" for someone using Stephanie Meyer's name in the same sentence as an actual author.

SHUN!

[Sialater]

Daewan wrote...

I read all the comments, and I'm stuck on "SHUN" for someone using Stephanie Meyer's name in the same sentence as an actual author.
SHUN!

Wait, who mentioned the Forbidden One?

[Jean]

g4tv.com/videos/50359/X-Plays-2010-Game-of-the-Year/

Someone used a FemShep with Kaidan and some ME3 mention.

[Sialater]

That's awesome! I noticed they had to reskin Jack though to make her TV appropriate.

[Jean]

Sialater wrote...

That's awesome! I noticed they had to reskin Jack though to make her TV appropriate.

Of course! Cussing and buckets of blood is ok, but a boob will warp our children's minds!

Modifié par Batteries, 15 décembre 2010 - 06:55 .

[Sialater]

And if they ever show Kaidan's ass... the world will end, you know.

[syllogi]

Sialater wrote...

And if they ever show Kaidan's ass... the world will end, you know.

I think a "Malien Chest and Human Male Booty in ME3" support thread would be very popular. 

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Sialater wrote...

And if they ever show Kaidan's ass... the world will end, you know.

I think a "Malien Chest and Human Male Booty in ME3" support thread would be very popular. 

I believe we need a banner for that.

[Jean]

Sialater wrote...

And if they ever show Kaidan's ass... the world will end, you know.

I don't know, if they redesign Kaidan into a Kratos from God of War 3, they could put a real interactive sex scene in the game just for him! Women would be making appointments just for that.

[Nightodie]

Sialater wrote...

Daewan wrote...

I read all the comments, and I'm stuck on "SHUN" for someone using Stephanie Meyer's name in the same sentence as an actual author.

SHUN!

Wait, who mentioned the Forbidden One?

Now, now, there is a cure for this.  It's our artists and author's link below.

And Dae... No shunning.

[Daewan]

My bad. Unshun. All are welcome.

[FireEye]

I don't get the impression that the Collectors had the indoctrination technology.  The highest they seem to have is the husk-making technology, and there's no indoctrination on the Collector ship like there is on and in the vicinity of the Reapers.

I also don't see any reason to "punish" Ashley/Kaidan for questioning Shepard's highly questionable living dead status.  But then I'm one of those dastardly people who thinks Shepard is a damn dirty traitor, so there's that.

High note: If Kaidan comes back in a properly heroic and awesome fashion, how would you want to see it happen?  What kind of scenario/cinematic do you want to see?  What kind of biotics do you want to see him employing? 

[Sialater]

Batteries wrote...

Sialater wrote...

And if they ever show Kaidan's ass... the world will end, you know.

I don't know, if they redesign Kaidan into a Kratos from God of War 3, they could put a real interactive sex scene in the game just for him! Women would be making appointments just for that.

I have no idea who Kratos is.