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[Chignon]

LiamN7 wrote...

I understand that this isn't huge or the worst thing that has or could happen. I don't even think it was an intentional insult. Neglect can hurt to. But it is for me at least, just one more thing in what is a growing list of things where Kaidan and Ash have been ignored , or intentionally pushed aside or given less. But it could just be that I have very, very , thin skin. 

I agree with you, Liam. Hopefully we'll get our Ash and Kaidan DLC to set things right.

[Alice829]

@fort: I agree it was done for consolidation convenience. If we start worrying too much about "canon", FemShep doesn't even exist, and *spoiler* Udina is the Councilor. I remember reading somewhere (sorry, at this point I couldn't even begin to tell you the source - feel free to add it if you know) that they needed the ME2 stories to end up in roughly the same place. Hence, you can't continue that particular storyline if Shepard dies. It was also said that for ME3 they then could really go to town with story possibilities, since that's the end of the trilogy, no need to integrate multiple small choices into future chapters. So, in this particular context, I'm not sure "canon" means too much except to the novel writers.

I'm more worried about how they will actually execute the VS romance, not whether or not it will be there. I'm not too encouraged by how the ME2 ones were done. I did read in an interview with the music team that there was a lot more planned for the ME2 romances that never made it into the game, but I'm not sure if that was for time and space limitations, or worries about content. The whole Fox News debacle seems doubly ridiculous now, considering things like GoW and Heavy Rain that didn't even get a squeak from the media. But I can't help wondering if it's made BioWare cautious about doing anything even vaguely adult in its ME romance scenes. Didn't seem to hurt DA:O.

Modifié par Alice829, 19 décembre 2010 - 04:39 .

[Quaay]

I was just disappointed to read about the intro change on PS3 because I really hoped it was a chance for them to redo it without Kaidan in that Phoenix armor. I didn't mean to upset everyone by drawing attention to that part of the article

[catabuca]

Solidarity with our Ash-lovin' counterparts.



*snugs*

[syllogi]

Quaay wrote...

I was just disappointed to read about the intro change on PS3 because I really hoped it was a chance for them to redo it without Kaidan in that Phoenix armor. I didn't mean to upset everyone by drawing attention to that part of the article

Hey, I'm glad you pointed that out.  As I said, it probably won't ever be mentioned in ME3, but as far as I'm concerned, it's a retcon, and it does irk me, and give me another reason to worry about the treatment of Ashley and Kaidan in ME3.  It's not your fault at all, Quaay.  And really, all Bioware has to do is give me just a little reassurance that they still remember Ashley and Kaidan, and I'll stop being all doom and gloomy.  So far, everything since ME2 was released makes me worry.

[Chignon]

LiamN7 wrote...

This I like. Virmire Survivors Unite.   : )   Ash and Kaidan deserve better than they have gotten.

They do.

[Fiery Phoenix]

That's a lovely picture, Chig! *saves*

[Aslanasadi]

I love the screenshot and I agree: Ash and Kaidan deserve better than they have gotten.

[Chignon]

Certainly not the best photo manip I've ever made, but I figured we could use some cheering up:

[AkodoRyu]

I leave you my new fav screenie too.

[syllogi]

Chignon wrote...

Certainly not the best photo manip I've ever made, but I figured we could use some cheering up:

I love this, thanks!  

[Chignon]

I'm glad you like it, Teen! (:

[Selenora]

Chignon wrote...

LiamN7 wrote...

This I like. Virmire Survivors Unite.   : )   Ash and Kaidan deserve better than they have gotten.

They do.

Very very nice and i love the armor

[Lord Zeuss]

Chignon wrote...

Certainly not the best photo manip I've ever made, but I figured we could use some cheering up:

Daaawwwwwwww!

[freelovefreeway]

It is a big deal. Kaidan and Ashley are not in ME2 enough to lose any of that time without it being anything other than a big deal.

I've been excitedly waiting for the PS3 release because I'm really interested in how everything is portrayed. I imagine there won't be much time to get to know the characters in-depth, so which traits of Kaidan and Ashley's come through will show how their characters are summed up by the people that matter--whether Ashley will be racist or xenophobic or nothing, for instance--and give us an idea of what is going to be taken forward to ME3.
Looking at this release as a means of speculation for ME3 is one of the reasons why the intro cut gets to me.

Unless there are some awesome surprises we know nothing about, the first time their models will be seen in the PS3 version is the Lilith scene. We all know that, for most people, Horizon doesn't put the VS in a good light, but, when coupled with the intro, at least you could go with the we-love because-we-care argument that Chignon (not to drag her into my rant) says was one of the things that intrigued her and made her go back to play ME1. Maybe the comic will accomplish that just as well, but the Kaidan/Ash should still be there at the beginning of ME2.

I actually enjoy playing ME2, and I take pride in the fact that each time I do I can add a little tally mark to the "stayed loyal" statistic. Kaidan is on the Normandy before it goes down, on Horizon, and in the picture at the end. I fill in the rest of the game with lines that I interpret as Shepard thinking about him, but I need those basic pillars of beginning, middle, and end.

This is so much worse than not mentioning Kaidan/Ashley in other places. They weren't ignored here. They were REMOVED. If I didn't know that scene was Kaidan/Shepard's goodbye, then maybe I wouldn't think this, but, as it stands, they just took away that goodbye. Kaidan/Ashley just take off without interacting with Shepard? Any fanfiction about Kaidan feeling guilty for leaving will have to include a note that this is not the PS3 version because otherwise it won't be clear whether or not he even gave a damn. And you can say, oh, the goodbye was just off screen for the PS3--but that doesn't work with the other versions of ME2. That was the one and only goodbye. There is no reason the games wouldn't be compatible. It IS possible for the VS to have that goodbye in the ME universe, they just don't in any of the PS3 playthroughs.

Horizon I can forgive because I can buy into the whole 2nd act thing. The assault rifle on Horizon I can roll my eyes about and then move on because I get it would take more time and money. The DLC issues I can forgive as a silly oversight because I think they were concentrating on ME2 characters so hard. The dossier I can forgive because I don't think we are allowed to know what the VS has been up to. The phoenix armor I can now forgive because at least he was there to be wearing it. But this...this is the first thing that really, really gets to me. Why take away what little they gave us?

If the PS3 version was just going for a "how cool would a life-flashes-before-your-eyes thing" or anything along the lines of better immersion or something, then I don't think it was worth it. And I think it says something that whoever made this decision DOES think it was worth it. And if there were other considerations, then I guess I just need to calm down.

Alright, this should have been enough of a vent for me. I'll just hope that we get VS DLC news soon and I can go back to being blissfully (and now I'm thinking possibly ignorantly) optimistic about ME3 again.

I just miss Kaidan. Also, I know they don't look like their characters in the comic, but do you think Kaidan's hair will be curly?

Modifié par freelovefreeway, 19 décembre 2010 - 11:18 .

[mllrthyme]

Another update good to go.
Renegade Sun, chapter 16
Happy holidays everyone!

Edit:  Here, freelove, have a Kaidan...

Modifié par mllrthyme, 19 décembre 2010 - 11:26 .

[solvill]

Chignon wrote...

Certainly not the best photo manip I've ever made, but I figured we could use some cheering up:

love it hope it will be a reality for my femShem and mshep

[syllogi]

freelovefreeway wrote...


Horizon I can forgive because I can buy into the whole 2nd act thing. The assault rifle on Horizon I can roll my eyes about and then move on because I get it would take more time and money. The DLC issues I can forgive as a silly oversight because I think they were concentrating on ME2 characters so hard. The dossier I can forgive because I don't think we are allowed to know what the VS has been up to. The phoenix armor I can now forgive because at least he was there to be wearing it. But this...this is the first thing that really, really gets to me. Why take away what little they gave us?

If the PS3 version was just going for a "how cool would a life-flashes-before-your-eyes thing" or anything along the lines of better immersion or something, then I don't think it was worth it. And I think it says something that whoever made this decision DOES think it was worth it. And if there were other considerations, then I guess I just need to calm down.

Alright, this should have been enough of a vent for me. I'll just hope that we get VS DLC news soon and I can go back to being blissfully (and now I'm thinking possibly ignorantly) optimistic about ME3 again.

I just miss Kaidan. Also, I know they don't look like their characters in the comic, but do you think Kaidan's hair will be curly?

I agree with everything you said, but that little bit I bolded is what it comes down to.  The only part of their role that paints them in a fully positive light, and it's been removed.  Ugh.  When do they start making thing up to Ashley and Kaidan fans?  Because it just keeps getting worse.

And I suspect Comic!Kaidan will have a pompadour without curliness.  The art I've seen so far doesn't seem to pay that much attention to details like that.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 19 décembre 2010 - 11:27 .

[FireEye]

freelovefreeway wrote...

If the PS3 version was just going for a "how cool would a life-flashes-before-your-eyes thing" or anything along the lines of better immersion or something, then I don't think it was worth it. And I think it says something that whoever made this decision DOES think it was worth it. And if there were other considerations, then I guess I just need to calm down.

I think that they thought that the "life flashing before the eyes" effect would be cool, and that's how they chose to do it.  I don't think they meant anything by it, it just so happens that it's going to put Horizon ahead as the first place that new PS3 players are going to see the VS in action.

They probably should have had the choices as "select from this annotated list" before the intro, then if you didn't have Liara as a LI, the VS shows up (LI or not), then have the comic run based on your selections before the intro.  It would have preserved both the VS intro role as normal and the "life flashing before the eyes" thing.

freelovefreeway wrote...
I just miss Kaidan. Also, I know they don't look like their characters in the comic, but do you think Kaidan's hair will be curly?

I'm wondering if we'll see his hair at all, or if he'll just be wearing the helmet the whole time. 

[Chignon]

I agree with your post, freelovefreeway, but one thing stood out for me:

freelovefreeway wrote...

This is so much worse than not mentioning Kaidan/Ashley in other places. They weren't ignored here. They were REMOVED.

This is what really gets to me, too.

EDIT

And I'm glad you all liked my quick ME3 picture.

Modifié par Chignon, 20 décembre 2010 - 12:59 .

[Shenzi]

Just wanted to show off a new pic I did of Kate (with lots of advice again from Sorrel) 
 
As most people know Kate's story is A/U, Kaidan would up taken by the Collectors on Horizon and that whole disaster of a scene never took place. Instead this is their reunion after his rescue on the Collectors Base.
 

 
Effects had to be modifed a bit for the smaller shot, the wall paper sized one looks better in my opinion.
Kate and Kaidan Reunion

[syllogi]

Shenzi wrote...

Just wanted to show off a new pic I did of Kate (with lots of advice again from Sorrel) 
 
As most people know Kate's story is A/U, Kaidan would up taken by the Collectors on Horizon and that whole disaster of a scene never took place. Instead this is their reunion after his rescue on the Collectors Base.
 

 
Effects had to be modifed a bit for the smaller shot, the wall paper sized one looks better in my opinion.
Kate and Kaidan Reunion

Very nice job!  The way things went in your fic are exactly how I thought things would go for Ashley/Kaidan when I first saw the trailer featuring Ashley before the game came out:  the VS would get captured, and we'd have to save them.  I wasn't crazy about the idea, but after seeing Horizon, it suddenly looked MUCH better.  You had the right idea...sometimes canon *needs* to be ignored!

[Jean]

www.youtube.com/watch

Since it seems like the universe is going to start blowing up in ME3, I hope there's a moment like this where you make a similar choice.