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[FireEye]

DWH1982 wrote...

Relax, it's not like they made him wear Ashley's armor at any point in the game.

Oh, wait...

It's okay, BioWare fixed that with the comic.  And by fixed, I mean he won't show up at all now in the intro, but thank goodness for getting him out of the Phoenix armor, right? 


Top of the Page, Not in Phoenix Armor Kaidan:

Modifié par FireEye, 03 janvier 2011 - 08:45 .

[Melindil]

meonlyred wrote...

Speaking of Kaidan and Ashley being interchangeable to Bioware, has anyone else noticed that Horizon was oddly out of character for Kaidan? Kaidan is a loyal marine, given, but he is practical about everything, where Ash is a little more gung ho about the Alliance. (Not that there is anything wrong with that, I'm gung ho about the Alliance) It seems to me Bioware geared the conversation on Horizon to Ashley. I know it would be a little more work and money but you would think they would have slightly different scripts.

It really isn't if you think about it though.  I mean, think about what he's been going through for the past two years, especially if you romanced him.  Kaidan's general temperament may be relatively calm and he may not be prone to outbursts like that, but Horizon is an exceptional situation and Kaidan is human.  Anyone, even someone like Kaidan would be prone to getting pissed in that situation and saying not-so-awesome things.  Even if it's only friendship, he opened himself up to you and made himself vulnerable in some way and he definitely suffered as a result of Shepard's death. 

Horizon is the first time he has seen Shepard since then and it is a sketch-ass situation with Cerberus involved and suddenly nothing is clear-cut and everything he knows to be true is thrown into chaos.  There are a lot of emotions at play there and when someone is experiencing a multitude of conflicting, powerful emotions in a situation like that, you get anger.

I don't know.  It makes perfect sense to me, but I'm also a psychotherapist so I might be looking too much into it.

DWH1982 wrote...

As long as what they have planned doesn't involve turning Ash or Kaidan into an enemy.

I want the VS back on the squad, and I want it to happen early in the game and without having to shoot at them.

They're not going to kick us while we're down.  It makes no sense from a writer's perspective... or from any other perspective, for that matter.

Modifié par Melindil, 03 janvier 2011 - 08:50 .

[jtav]

I'm actually fairly optimistic. Ash and Kaidan were kept unkillable in ME2 for a reason. And with promo material calling Shep an Alliance marine, it looks like our relationship with Kaidan is on track to be repaired. I don't think any of the old LIs will be squad members, but I do think the VS will have a significant role.

[Chignon]

The whole "We saved them for a reason." sounds like little more than a poor justification for their botched cameos to me.

FireEye wrote...

It's okay, BioWare fixed that with the comic.  And by fixed, I mean he won't show up at all now in the intro, but thank goodness for getting him out of the Phoenix armor, right? 

Because the best way to fix things is obviously to remove them entirely, right?

[FireEye]

Melindil wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

As long as what they have planned doesn't involve turning Ash or Kaidan into an enemy.

I want the VS back on the squad, and I want it to happen early in the game and without having to shoot at them.

They're not going to kick us while we're down.  It makes no sense from a writer's perspective... or from any other perspective, for that matter.

It'd make sense for dramatic effect.  Mass Effect wasn't written with Kaidan and Ashley fans in mind, after all.  I doubt Virmire was there to punish us specifically, it was merely a matter of dramatic storytelling.

Same could be said of facing down the VS because they're tracking Shepard down for treason or whatever.  It'd provoke an emotional response from players who like the VS.  And, hey, they could still join afterwards... if we're not forced into killing them outright.  Or "redeem" themselves for doubting Shepard by getting hit by a plot bullet.

It wouldn't necessarily be pleasant, sure, but it can certainly make sense.

[FireEye]

Chignon wrote...
Because the best way to fix things is obviously to remove them entirely, right?

You know, I never had a problem with the phoenix armor, myself. 



But I guess if folks don't like it, you got to toss it out. 

[Melindil]

It just seems to me that if you really want to go for effect, you're going to go for characters that are widely loved by the community, like I've said before. I get the impression that most people are actually relatively neutral toward the VS (the VS certainly is not widely loved), reducing the effect it would have on the majority, and we've already had that character in a precarious position (Virmire) which would reduce the effect even more. At this point, I feel like the community as a whole would give a "meh" response to something bad happening to the VS.

They'd have much more success Jossing a character that most people adore or have great respect for.  Anderson, maybe, as an example.

Modifié par Melindil, 03 janvier 2011 - 09:19 .

[jtav]

If I were going to kill someone off for dramatic effect in ME3, it would be Liara. She'll definitely be in ME3 and she's canonically Shepard's friend. Or whoever the LI happened to be. Since we're invoking Whedon, and Joss is a sadist.

[Chignon]

FireEye wrote...

You know, I never had a problem with the phoenix armor, myself. 

/snip

But I guess if folks don't like it, you got to toss it out. 

I do like his Horizon armour better. Guardian might take the cake, though.

[Melindil]

Chignon wrote...

FireEye wrote...

You know, I never had a problem with the phoenix armor, myself. 

/snip

But I guess if folks don't like it, you got to toss it out. 

I do like his Horizon armour better. Guardian might take the cake, though.

/snip

Guardian is amazing.

[jtav]

I like him in Colossus. I also like the Horizon armor.

[fortunesque]

I like mercenary. The black around his face looks nice :3

[meonlyred]

My favorite armor is no armor.

Modifié par meonlyred, 03 janvier 2011 - 09:51 .

[Melindil]

meonlyred wrote...

My favorite armor is no armor.

/naked Kaidan

Girl.  GIRRRRRRRRL.

You took the words right out of my brain. <3

Modifié par Melindil, 03 janvier 2011 - 09:51 .

[Melindil]

L.Aendrus wrote...

*note to self: make naked saluting Kaidan pic*

[fortunesque]

Melindil wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

My favorite armor is no armor.

/naked Kaidan

Girl.  GIRRRRRRRRL.

You took the words right out of my brain. <3

Seconded. Absolutely brilliant XD

[Sialater]

fortunesque wrote...

Melindil wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

My favorite armor is no armor.

/naked Kaidan

Girl.  GIRRRRRRRRL.

You took the words right out of my brain. <3

Seconded. Absolutely brilliant XD

Find out the model Jho uses.

[DWH1982]

FireEye wrote...

Melindil wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

As long as what they have planned doesn't involve turning Ash or Kaidan into an enemy.

I want the VS back on the squad, and I want it to happen early in the game and without having to shoot at them.

They're not going to kick us while we're down.  It makes no sense from a writer's perspective... or from any other perspective, for that matter.

It'd make sense for dramatic effect.  Mass Effect wasn't written with Kaidan and Ashley fans in mind, after all.  I doubt Virmire was there to punish us specifically, it was merely a matter of dramatic storytelling.

Same could be said of facing down the VS because they're tracking Shepard down for treason or whatever.  It'd provoke an emotional response from players who like the VS.  And, hey, they could still join afterwards... if we're not forced into killing them outright.  Or "redeem" themselves for doubting Shepard by getting hit by a plot bullet.

It wouldn't necessarily be pleasant, sure, but it can certainly make sense.

I've said this in the Ash thread, but... If I have to fight Ashley in ME3, I think I might honestly just give up on the romance.

Ash is my favorite character, and the only LI my Shepards are ever interested in.  However, if it comes down to actually fighting Ashley, that's a sign to me that Bioware isn't interested in developing the Virmire Survivors as characters, or the VS romance plots.

If I find out that ME3 involves fighting the VS, and especially if it involves killing them, I think I'll restart from ME1, romance no one in that game, and then opt for one of the ME2 love interests.

[meonlyred]

DWH1982 wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Melindil wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

As long as what they have planned doesn't involve turning Ash or Kaidan into an enemy.

I want the VS back on the squad, and I want it to happen early in the game and without having to shoot at them.

They're not going to kick us while we're down.  It makes no sense from a writer's perspective... or from any other perspective, for that matter.

It'd make sense for dramatic effect.  Mass Effect wasn't written with Kaidan and Ashley fans in mind, after all.  I doubt Virmire was there to punish us specifically, it was merely a matter of dramatic storytelling.

Same could be said of facing down the VS because they're tracking Shepard down for treason or whatever.  It'd provoke an emotional response from players who like the VS.  And, hey, they could still join afterwards... if we're not forced into killing them outright.  Or "redeem" themselves for doubting Shepard by getting hit by a plot bullet.

It wouldn't necessarily be pleasant, sure, but it can certainly make sense.

I've said this in the Ash thread, but... If I have to fight Ashley in ME3, I think I might honestly just give up on the romance.

Ash is my favorite character, and the only LI my Shepards are ever interested in.  However, if it comes down to actually fighting Ashley, that's a sign to me that Bioware isn't interested in developing the Virmire Survivors as characters, or the VS romance plots.

If I find out that ME3 involves fighting the VS, and especially if it involves killing them, I think I'll restart from ME1, romance no one in that game, and then opt for one of the ME2 love interests.

I think if you ever have to fight the VS then it will because you cheated on them. I have a theory that the VS is sent after Shepard, but their intention really is to find and help them. Then if they found out that Shepard was unfaithful they will turn their back on Shepard. Then again I could just be bitter against anyone who would cheat on someone so soon after they got together. After all it has only been a couple weeks to Shepard since she was with her ME1 LI.

[Sialater]

meonlyred wrote...

I think if you ever have to fight the VS then it will because you cheated on them. I have a theory that the VS is sent after Shepard, but their intention really is to find and help them. Then if they found out that Shepard was unfaithful they will turn their back on Shepard. Then again I could just be bitter against anyone who would cheat on someone so soon after they got together. After all it has only been a couple weeks to Shepard since she was with her ME1 LI.

Can we not start THAT argument again?  I have a Shepard who moved on.  Sort of.  But that's because Meghan believes she was dumped on Horizon and she's not emotionally mature enough to get what a "fight" is.

[DWH1982]

meonlyred wrote...

I think if you ever have to fight the VS then it will because you cheated on them. I have a theory that the VS is sent after Shepard, but their intention really is to find and help them. Then if they found out that Shepard was unfaithful they will turn their back on Shepard. Then again I could just be bitter against anyone who would cheat on someone so soon after they got together. After all it has only been a couple weeks to Shepard since she was with her ME1 LI.

Yeah, I always thought that was a little creepy. For Shepard, it's only been a few weeks - but he/she is supposed to turn their back on their ME1 LI?

Part of me feels like Horizon was set up to make moving on seem a little less... sleazy.  Nevertheless, my canon Shepard is head over heels for Ash, and wants to give things time to try to work things out.  It also helps that the only ME2 LI he might even be remotely interested in is Miranda, but it just doesn't feel like she'd make stable relationship material.

I personally think that any Shepard who doesn't give their relationship with Kaidan/Ash time to work things out doesn't deserve them.  And I hope it's impossible to get back together with them in ME3.

Modifié par DWH1982, 03 janvier 2011 - 10:20 .

[fortunesque]

Cheating will probably get you one hell of a strongly worded email. You might want to watch out for that

[Sialater]

fortunesque wrote...

Cheating will probably get you one hell of a strongly worded email. You might want to watch out for that

Just as long as there are no fights between the two LIs....