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[fortunesque]

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Cheating will probably get you one hell of a strongly worded email. You might want to watch out for that

Just as long as there are no fights between the two LIs....

There could be. 

In Meghan's case, I think Kaidan would just be a bit pissed that Garrus knew about him and Shepard and ended up with her. Would it be a brawl? No, but Kaidan would be very justifiable in looking at Garrus and saying, "WTF, man?"

[AkodoRyu]

"Cheating" is a bad word I think. Shepard died, and nothing can change that. I'm afraid if Kai/Ash reawakened some feelings or hope, they will have to just get over it if Shep decided to involve with someone else.

Besides Kai/Ash seem like reasonable people who don't need fights to resolve their problems.

[jtav]

Yes, no fights. I like Kaidan. I like Thane. I don't think they'd get along that well, but I don't wan them fighting over me.

[leggywillow]

DWH1982 wrote...

Yeah, I always thought that was a little creepy. For Shepard, it's only been a few weeks - but he/she is supposed to turn their back on their ME1 LI?

It depends entirely on how you RP their relationship.  In my "canon", Sadie and Kaidan's romance is exactly what you'd expect in a grand space opera (or any grand-scale fictional story, really)... it's a passionate love that defies protocol and will last through the ages and neither of them desire anyone else, la dee da.

But in my cynical way, I think it's more realistic to consider that most relationships aren't like that.  Most relationships probably end with one party feeling hurt and betrayed, but it's childish to believe that this means either party actually did anything WRONG when a relationship just falls apart.

Kaidan isn't right for some of my Shepards.  I know, I know, why get with him in the first place?  How heartless!  It's hard to explain, I guess, but if you've ever broken someone's heart in real life, you realize that sometimes it just happens that way.  You get with someone and you realize for whatever reason that they're aren't right for you.  Sometimes it happens quickly and you find yourself with someone else.  It's not *always* the healthiest thing in the world, but I don't think it makes a "cheating" Shepard inherently in the wrong either.

[DWH1982]

fortunesque wrote...

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Cheating will probably get you one hell of a strongly worded email. You might want to watch out for that

Just as long as there are no fights between the two LIs....

There could be. 

In Meghan's case, I think Kaidan would just be a bit pissed that Garrus knew about him and Shepard and ended up with her. Would it be a brawl? No, but Kaidan would be very justifiable in looking at Garrus and saying, "WTF, man?"

This actually raises an interesting question... How do you think that Kaidan should respond to a Shepard who hooked up with someone else in ME2, but then wants to get back together in ME3?

I think he'd be calm in the way he deals with it.  I don't see him as the type to get too angry, even over something like this. But I'm not convinced that he'd be willing to get together with Shepard again. Instead, I think there might be a rejection scene, kind of like what you have if you try to romance Samara in ME2.

Modifié par DWH1982, 03 janvier 2011 - 10:36 .

[Sialater]

fortunesque wrote...

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Cheating will probably get you one hell of a strongly worded email. You might want to watch out for that

Just as long as there are no fights between the two LIs....

There could be. 

In Meghan's case, I think Kaidan would just be a bit pissed that Garrus knew about him and Shepard and ended up with her. Would it be a brawl? No, but Kaidan would be very justifiable in looking at Garrus and saying, "WTF, man?"

And if Bioware doesn't write it, I will.

I'm not saying there should be no consquences, just that it's not Teh Most Ebilest Thing In the WHOLE WIDE WORLD.    There are legitimate reasons for a Shep to have taken Horizon as "It's over," and for the email to have not fixed it.

[meonlyred]

Bioware has said there will be some negative consequence for not staying faithful, I doubt it will be grave as actually fighting Shepard or squaring off against the new LI. I just feel the ME1 LI won't be there for Shepard. Similar to not having your squad members loyal on the suicide mission.

[fortunesque]

DWH1982 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Cheating will probably get you one hell of a strongly worded email. You might want to watch out for that

Just as long as there are no fights between the two LIs....

There could be. 

In Meghan's case, I think Kaidan would just be a bit pissed that Garrus knew about him and Shepard and ended up with her. Would it be a brawl? No, but Kaidan would be very justifiable in looking at Garrus and saying, "WTF, man?"

This actually raises an interesting question... How do you think that Kaidan should respond to a Shepard who hooked up with someone else in ME2, but then wants to get back together in ME3?

I think he'd be calm in the way he deals with it.  I don't see him as the type to get too angry, even over something like this. But I'm not convinced that he'd be willing to get together with Shepard again. Instead, I think there might be a rejection scene, kind of like what you have if you try to romance Samara in ME2.

I don't think it'd be in character for him to get back with Shepard again if Shepard moved on. And I think he'd stay just friends with her to protect himself.

Of course, I'm sure that BW will allow the player to choose which they want without any consequences. That's what happened in LotSB. The LIs are treated like more of a buffet than anything else.

[jtav]

On the other hand, the consequences could just be one line, as in LOTSB. I'd prefer that.

[Siansonea]

DWH1982 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Cheating will probably get you one hell of a strongly worded email. You might want to watch out for that

Just as long as there are no fights between the two LIs....

There could be. 

In Meghan's case, I think Kaidan would just be a bit pissed that Garrus knew about him and Shepard and ended up with her. Would it be a brawl? No, but Kaidan would be very justifiable in looking at Garrus and saying, "WTF, man?"

This actually raises an interesting question... How do you think that Kaidan should respond to a Shepard who hooked up with someone else in ME2, but then wants to get back together in ME3?

I think he'd be calm in the way he deals with it.  I don't see him as the type to get too angry, even over something like this. But I'm not convinced that he'd be willing to get together with Shepard again. Instead, I think there might be a rejection scene, kind of like what you have if you try to romance Samara in ME2.

I think so too. He might raise his voice a tiny bit if Shepard is too blasé about running off with Garrus, Thane or Jacob, but I don't see him taking Shepard back under any circumstances. He's had two years to move on, if Shepard wants somebody else, Shepard can have somebody else. Honestly, I think Ashley would feel the same way. She would probably raise her voice a bit more, and might even snap her fingers in Shepard's face.

[Jean]

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Cheating will probably get you one hell of a strongly worded email. You might want to watch out for that

Just as long as there are no fights between the two LIs....

BUT THE VIRMIRE SUVIVOR MUST BE PUNISHED FOR BETRAYING SHEPARD..





That one is one of my favorites.

[Melindil]

fortunesque wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

This actually raises an interesting question... How do you think that Kaidan should respond to a Shepard who hooked up with someone else in ME2, but then wants to get back together in ME3?

I think he'd be calm in the way he deals with it.  I don't see him as the type to get too angry, even over something like this. But I'm not convinced that he'd be willing to get together with Shepard again. Instead, I think there might be a rejection scene, kind of like what you have if you try to romance Samara in ME2.

I don't think it'd be in character for him to get back with Shepard again if Shepard moved on. And I think he'd stay just friends with her to protect himself.

Of course, I'm sure that BW will allow the player to choose which they want without any consequences. That's what happened in LotSB. The LIs are treated like more of a buffet than anything else.

This.

[Chignon]

fortunesque wrote...

I don't think it'd be in character for him to get back with Shepard again if Shepard moved on. And I think he'd stay just friends with her to protect himself.

Of course, I'm sure that BW will allow the player to choose which they want without any consequences. That's what happened in LotSB. The LIs are treated like more of a buffet than anything else.

This.

I hope that the consequences will be handled differently than in LotSB. Though, using "consequences" in context with LotSB is ridiculous - there weren't any.

[Sialater]

jtav wrote...

On the other hand, the consequences could just be one line, as in LOTSB. I'd prefer that.

But you can still sleep with Liara, even if you have an ME2 romance, right?

[Collider]

Sialater wrote...

jtav wrote...

On the other hand, the consequences could just be one line, as in LOTSB. I'd prefer that.

But you can still sleep with Liara, even if you have an ME2 romance, right?

Yes.
This Shepard should be in for some trouble for cheating on the ME2 LI.

[Chignon]

Yes, you can, Sia. You only have to chose Liara over the ME2 LI.

[Sialater]

But you don't break up with the ME2 LI.





Hope that's not how 3 will deal with it.

[fortunesque]

"Ah, yes 'consequences'. I thought we had dismissed these claims"

[DWH1982]

Sialater wrote...

But you don't break up with the ME2 LI.


Hope that's not how 3 will deal with it.

Yeah, but see, it's totally justifiable, because Liara isn't there when Shepard invites the ME2 LI up to the captain's quarters.

Shepard has urges, you know...

[Saberchic]

Batteries wrote...

BUT THE VIRMIRE SUVIVOR MUST BE PUNISHED FOR BETRAYING SHEPARD..
That one is one of my favorites.

Do people really think this? Forgive me for asking, I'm not always able to keep up on the threads, but is this a legitimate complaint people seem to have? Isn't it apparent that the survivor LI was deeply affected by Shep's death?

saber

[Selenora]

Melindil wrote...

All of the irrational hate toward Ash and Kaidan really is horrible. I always feel like people are grasping for excuses to justify why they don't like the characters or why they chose to kill the character on Virmire.

And I don't know if it's my sleep-derived brain coming up with all kinds of ridiculous theories about everything, but sometimes I wonder if the hate isn't rooted in something of which people aren't consciously aware. For instance, is all the hate toward Ash the result of the fact that she's a woman who can beat your ass and is totally cool being independent and not being a damsel in distress and doesn't actually *need* Shepard? Is the hate toward Kaidan the result of the fact that he isn't the testosterone-touting brosef who doesn't really have emotions and is going to want to go seek ale and wenches with you after the mission's done and maybe start a couple of bar brawls? I mean, we have archetypes of what males and females should be in games, books, and film and Kaidan and Ash defy those in a lot of ways, as many people have pointed out. Is the hate due to the fact that they (Ashley especially) don't fit into stereotypical roles for characters in video games and the fact that they aren't really catering to the video game consumer base?

I may also be completely cracked out and seeing things that aren't there and trying to rationalize something that has no logic to it at all.

I really didnt want to get involved with this conversation, coz i will propably be harsh and rouse hate but i cant avoid it.
I agree with you Mel.
About Ash: Maybe the ppl that didnt like Ash where the ones that couldnt find her interesting coz of her being able to take care of herself and not need of the Hero to support her in any way. But i bet the same ppl whould romance Miranda to death coz she's a badass and they need to prove to themselves that they are capable enough of bending a badass's woman's will to their own.
Same as the women who chose to romance the badass alliens. Theres a certain appeal to being able to make a badass like or love you. Theres a certain appeal to badassery and its normal human nature.
About Kaidan: the guy is sensitive, strong and has a low profile. Not the stereotype the society holds for men for senturies. What's the appeal of romancing him or be friends with him if he repsects women or dont fit to the "lets get drunk and get laid" type of guy?
Or........for God's sake.....the guy who wants to love and be loved?
I mean...seriously..... the guy does not WANT threesome.......and who at the average teenage boy wouldnt love that?
Its all in the hormones. ( You see Kaidan had the oportunity to do something most of them can actualy have only in their wildest dreams and for that they hate him)

I understand the point of view of most of the ppl that hated Kai/Ash. they are young men (and women) that are still not involved in real life's issues too much and they dont know that at a certain point life is not what they think it is and relationships are not the game they think it is. (Being too polite here)

Kaidan/Ash are normal ppl that you can find in real life. You dont need them in game. Games are for living a life you cant live in real life, being what you could never be in rl, do things you could never do. So normal ppl do not fit well.
I understand that. Were i younger i would think the same propably.
Thats why i dont pay any attention to them haters. I just wait for them to grow up.
For me Kaidan is what my Shep needs. The other side of the coin. The balance. But im old enough to know what a balance means regarding a relationship.
Ok. I know i should propably shut up  and i tried...i really tried...but this hate thing is starting to getting on my nerves. And i tried to be as polite as i could (thank God English IS NOT my first language so i cant really use the words i would use if i was writing in my native language)

[Jean]

Saberchic wrote...

Batteries wrote...

BUT THE VIRMIRE SUVIVOR MUST BE PUNISHED FOR BETRAYING SHEPARD..
That one is one of my favorites.

Do people really think this? Forgive me for asking, I'm not always able to keep up on the threads, but is this a legitimate complaint people seem to have? Isn't it apparent that the survivor LI was deeply affected by Shep's death?

saber

Yeah, I've seen quite a few people say this. Mostly more like "my new LI should be able to beat them up fpr betraying me!!"

[Lovestories]

Saberchic wrote...

Batteries wrote...

BUT THE VIRMIRE SUVIVOR MUST BE PUNISHED FOR BETRAYING SHEPARD..
That one is one of my favorites.

Do people really think this? Forgive me for asking, I'm not always able to keep up on the threads, but is this a legitimate complaint people seem to have? Isn't it apparent that the survivor LI was deeply affected by Shep's death?

saber

I've seen comments from people about wanting to kill the VS because of Horizon. =/ Some people now dislike them because of Horizon, or maybe just dislike them more. They don't understand why they were against Shepard and wouldn't (blindly) follow them like the alien squadmates.

[Chignon]

Sialater wrote...

But you don't break up with the ME2 LI.


Hope that's not how 3 will deal with it.

No, you don't. If you complete LotSB before the Suicide Mission, you can even get both love scenes.

[jtav]

I don't think anybody should be punished for anything. I certainly don't want Kaidan beaten up! Kaidan's awesome.