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[mineralica]

When I first saw Kaidan and Lilith talked, I really thought there was something between them. Second time I remembered about her happened when Kaidan told about "rumours". I decided Lilith was the source of such rumours, hence she had connection with Cerberus.

But scene of her death... I found out today that Kelly shouts far louder than Lilith, but Shepard just standing and watching before Lilith started to became liquified was very strange. Even when she tries to open the pod, she's doing that... undecisively? Without energy? At least all the rest pods were opened instantly while that particular one was awfully slow.

[Melindil]

fortunesque wrote...

It is interesting that Kaidan was promoted twice and Ash was promoted once. I do wonder if it was a dev error to do this.

The difference between Joker getting grounded and Kaidan getting promoted boils down to following orders. Evac was underway and Shepard ordered Kaidan to go. He went. Joker refused to leave until Shepard gave him a tongue lashing.

Kaidan's also gotten 12 special commendations by the time ME1 starts. It seems like he's definitely one to work extra hard so the double promotion could easily be explained.

I've wondered if the promotion inconsistency was a dev error myself.  While it could be attributed to the fact that Kaidan's a hard worker and has previous experience, it doesn't sit right with me because it's two officer ranks.  I feel like he would have to be doing some really intense stuff to get that sort of promotion in the span of only two years.  If they were NCO or enlisted ranks, I might be able to get past it, since those are lower ranks and would require less experience and work to ascend the ladder than ascending officer ranks would.  Helping defeat Sovereign is huge, but I don't think it's big enough to earn two officer ranks on its own, especially since Ash only got one NCO rank.

It just seems sort of forced to me.

Modifié par Melindil, 06 janvier 2011 - 01:20 .

[Jean]

Maybe they just wanted Kaidan to outrank Shepard?

Wouldn't see the point to that since Shepard ends up being de facto leader anyway. I'm sure Anderson/Udina had some pull with it.

[RPGmom28]

I kind of saw it as a "Kaidan's doing just fine without you" gesture to further offput our Shepard and get her to look more seriously at other love interests. From Horizon's dialog it's clear they wanted the relationship gone until ME3 and didn't have any plans for VS DLC at that time.

[jtav]

I think it's good that Kaidan is "just fine without us." When we come back together, he won't be my subordinate anymore. We'll be equals.

[Melindil]

jtav wrote...

I think it's good that Kaidan is "just fine without us." When we come back together, he won't be my subordinate anymore. We'll be equals.

Agreed.  I'd love to have more characters who feel more like equals to Shepard.  In a lot of ways Miranda felt more like an equal than a subordinate and it endeared her to me.  If Kaidan ends up being more of an equal than a subordinate... awesome.

[Jenova65]

I definitely like the idea of Kaidan being equal to Shepard, it feels right and it would be good to have someone with a strong moral compass having the ability to question Shepard! From my point of view, obviously ;-) xxx

[Aslanasadi]

Jenova65 wrote...

I definitely like the idea of Kaidan being equal to Shepard, it feels right and it would be good to have someone with a strong moral compass having the ability to question Shepard! From my point of view, obviously ;-) xxx

This

I feel exactly the same way!

[RubyRed1975]

But technically Kaidan outranks Shepard. Unless Shepard rejoins the Alliance and she gets a promotion. But, then you would have to wonder why Shep got a promotion when no one really trusts her...Just a thought.

[Nightodie]

Actually, Shepard still outranks Kaidan if yours was a Spectre. Council Spectre outranks Alliance Staff Commander.



Just Saying.

[Melindil]

RubyRed1975 wrote...

But technically Kaidan outranks Shepard. Unless Shepard rejoins the Alliance and she gets a promotion. But, then you would have to wonder why Shep got a promotion when no one really trusts her...Just a thought.

Spectre status supercedes all Alliance ranks.  The title of "Commander" is essentially courtesy at this point.  There is the gray area a lot of people are experiencing right now, what with having died and not being fully reinstated as a Spectre (if at all), but the point remains that Shepard has not been under Alliance command since induction into the Spectres, thus Shepard is not outranked by Kaidan.

Modifié par Melindil, 06 janvier 2011 - 02:50 .

[Aslanasadi]

I agree with Night and Melindil that Shepard outranks all Alliance ranks. A Spectre is above the Alliance and answers only the Council. (I hope I used the right words)

[RubyRed1975]

Nightodie wrote...

Actually, Shepard still outranks Kaidan if yours was a Spectre. Council Spectre outranks Alliance Staff Commander.

Just Saying.

But being a Spectre isn't really a rank when you think about. Spectre's work and answer only to the council ...So then I got to thinking about it....Could Shep and Kaidan be tried for fraternization if Shep is technically not apart of the Alliance any more?...So many questions but not enough answers

[Sialater]

Melindil wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

It is interesting that Kaidan was promoted twice and Ash was promoted once. I do wonder if it was a dev error to do this.

The difference between Joker getting grounded and Kaidan getting promoted boils down to following orders. Evac was underway and Shepard ordered Kaidan to go. He went. Joker refused to leave until Shepard gave him a tongue lashing.

Kaidan's also gotten 12 special commendations by the time ME1 starts. It seems like he's definitely one to work extra hard so the double promotion could easily be explained.

I've wondered if the promotion inconsistency was a dev error myself.  While it could be attributed to the fact that Kaidan's a hard worker and has previous experience, it doesn't sit right with me because it's two officer ranks.  I feel like he would have to be doing some really intense stuff to get that sort of promotion in the span of only two years.  If they were NCO or enlisted ranks, I might be able to get past it, since those are lower ranks and would require less experience and work to ascend the ladder than ascending officer ranks would.  Helping defeat Sovereign is huge, but I don't think it's big enough to earn two officer ranks on its own, especially since Ash only got one NCO rank.

It just seems sort of forced to me.

Alliance protocol seems to follow real life military protocol.  It's MUCH easier for an officer to get promoted two ranks than an NCO to be promoted to an officer.  IIRC, Ashley is as high up as you can get as an NCO in the Alliance.  Any higher and they'd have to mustang her.  (Send her to officer training.)  Most NCOs REALLY don't want that promotion.  Ashley strikes me as the type that would refuse, saying she'd prefer to "work for a living."

So, her being promoted only one rank while Kaidan was promoted two doesn't strike me as odd in any way.

[Sialater]

RubyRed1975 wrote...

Nightodie wrote...

Actually, Shepard still outranks Kaidan if yours was a Spectre. Council Spectre outranks Alliance Staff Commander.

Just Saying.

But being a Spectre isn't really a rank when you think about. Spectre's work and answer only to the council ...So then I got to thinking about it....Could Shep and Kaidan be tried for fraternization if Shep is technically not apart of the Alliance any more?...So many questions but not enough answers

If you've ever seen a James Bond movie, technically, Bond is a Commander in the Royal Navy, but as a member of MI6, he outranks most, if not all military personnel.

[Melindil]

Depends. Shepard was no longer under Alliance command, but was still being funded by the Alliance. Given that, it's possible. However, keep in mind that the Alliance probably has no protocol in place regarding how to work with a Spectre of former Alliance rank so there was a lot of fly-by-the-seat of your pants going on with that.



If you're the only human Spectre and you answer to the Council, that's a pretty high position of power as you are a representative of humanity. Certainly more so than a Staff Commander within the human military.

[Aslanasadi]

Well, imo I would think that Shepard and Kaidan could not get in trouble for fraternization anymore, which of course doesn't mean that it would be simple for them to work together and others might think that it's very unprofessional...but then again...my Shepard would not care anyways ;-)

[Melindil]

Sialater wrote...

Alliance protocol seems to follow real life military protocol.  It's MUCH easier for an officer to get promoted two ranks than an NCO to be promoted to an officer.  IIRC, Ashley is as high up as you can get as an NCO in the Alliance.  Any higher and they'd have to mustang her.  (Send her to officer training.)  Most NCOs REALLY don't want that promotion.  Ashley strikes me as the type that would refuse, saying she'd prefer to "work for a living."

So, her being promoted only one rank while Kaidan was promoted two doesn't strike me as odd in any way.

Yeah, she was promoted to the highest NCO position so I understood why she wasn't promoted higher and I never questioned that, only why Kaidan got two in two years.  When you put it into that perspective, though, it does make more sense.

I have only a basic civvie understanding of how ranking works.  What I know I've picked up from my fiancé in passing, as he's a vet and he doesn't often talk about military stuff.

Modifié par Melindil, 06 janvier 2011 - 03:05 .

[Nightodie]

Hey, as long as there is Kaidan, I don't care what rank anyone is.

[Sialater]

Melindil wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Alliance protocol seems to follow real life military protocol.  It's MUCH easier for an officer to get promoted two ranks than an NCO to be promoted to an officer.  IIRC, Ashley is as high up as you can get as an NCO in the Alliance.  Any higher and they'd have to mustang her.  (Send her to officer training.)  Most NCOs REALLY don't want that promotion.  Ashley strikes me as the type that would refuse, saying she'd prefer to "work for a living."

So, her being promoted only one rank while Kaidan was promoted two doesn't strike me as odd in any way.

Yeah, she was promoted to the highest NCO position so I understood why she wasn't promoted higher and I never questioned that, only why Kaidan got two in two years.  When you put it into that perspective, though, it does make more sense.

I have only a basic civvie understanding of how ranking works.  What I know I've picked up from my fiancé in passing, as he's a vet and he doesn't often talk about military stuff.

The two ranks isn't that unusual up to that point.  Past that, the promotions slow down, I think.  

[Melindil]

Sialater wrote...

Melindil wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Alliance protocol seems to follow real life military protocol.  It's MUCH easier for an officer to get promoted two ranks than an NCO to be promoted to an officer.  IIRC, Ashley is as high up as you can get as an NCO in the Alliance.  Any higher and they'd have to mustang her.  (Send her to officer training.)  Most NCOs REALLY don't want that promotion.  Ashley strikes me as the type that would refuse, saying she'd prefer to "work for a living."

So, her being promoted only one rank while Kaidan was promoted two doesn't strike me as odd in any way.

Yeah, she was promoted to the highest NCO position so I understood why she wasn't promoted higher and I never questioned that, only why Kaidan got two in two years.  When you put it into that perspective, though, it does make more sense.

I have only a basic civvie understanding of how ranking works.  What I know I've picked up from my fiancé in passing, as he's a vet and he doesn't often talk about military stuff.

The two ranks isn't that unusual up to that point.  Past that, the promotions slow down, I think.  

That's what I thought, since becoming an officer requires the additional training like you mentioned.  I wonder if Ash would have been given two promotions as well, had she been a rank below Gunnery Chief or had she already achieved officer status.

Edit to add: I also wonder if there was an actual story purpose behind giving Kaidan two ranks, or if it was just something they did for flavor.

Modifié par Melindil, 06 janvier 2011 - 03:16 .

[Sialater]

Melindil wrote...

Sialater wrote...

The two ranks isn't that unusual up to that point.  Past that, the promotions slow down, I think.  

That's what I thought, since becoming an officer requires the additional training like you mentioned.  I wonder if Ash would have been given two promotions as well, had she been a rank below Gunnery Chief or had she already achieved officer status.

Edit to add: I also wonder if there was an actual story purpose behind giving Kaidan two ranks, or if it was just something they did for flavor.

We won't know till 3, unfortunately.  Hopefully, it's going to show the beginning of them being treated like separate people.  After all, he's approaching brass status.

[RubyRed1975]

Sialater wrote...

RubyRed1975 wrote...

Nightodie wrote...

Actually, Shepard still outranks Kaidan if yours was a Spectre. Council Spectre outranks Alliance Staff Commander.

Just Saying.

But being a Spectre isn't really a rank when you think about. Spectre's work and answer only to the council ...So then I got to thinking about it....Could Shep and Kaidan be tried for fraternization if Shep is technically not apart of the Alliance any more?...So many questions but not enough answers

If you've ever seen a James Bond movie, technically, Bond is a Commander in the Royal Navy, but as a member of MI6, he outranks most, if not all military personnel.

Only saw 2 Bond flicks all I ever knew is that Bond worked for MI6...But is working for MI6 a rank? So that's what I'm really trying to figure out....Is being a Spectre a rank or is it just a job working for the highest authority in the government?  It was just something that was I wondering about is all. I figured I would ask you all since I know that some of you know about Military ranks than I do

[jtav]

Yes, he is. I think he's more suited to being a high ranking officer than Shepard. Shepard's a born leader of small teams, but I don't think she's suited to a lot of things that come with high command.

[Sialater]

jtav wrote...

Yes, he is. I think he's more suited to being a high ranking officer than Shepard. Shepard's a born leader of small teams, but I don't think she's suited to a lot of things that come with high command.

Well, that's definitely true of Meghan, but not Avery.