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[Doug84]

Lianna sFfalenn wrote...

Random music interjection: I have
been listening to Delerium, and I find their song "Underwater" to be highly evocative in combination with our Blessed Illustrator's pictures of Kaidan swimming, and showering...oh yes, the showering. Ahem. Anyway...if anyone's making playlist notes, it's a good 'un.

IMO the Rank 1 remix of said song is even better, but it only appears as a bonus track on the album "Chimera" so it's quite hard to find on the interwebz.

Another random music interjection  Who else is looking forward to the new Gorillaz album next week?

SweetiePea wrote...

I feel like there's this overall perception that happy endings are bad, bad, bad. I love David Gaider, I do, but he gets prickly at the mere mention of happy endings. What's up with that. I feel like the overall impression is that happy endings are pedestrian and for the peasants. True art demands angst, death, angst, unhappiness, angst, spending twenty years dying of darkspawn madness, and some more angst, just for good measure. I don't get that. Any ending can be cheesy. Happy endings aren't inherently more cheesy, nor do they have less literary value simply because they're happy. I want to issue this challenge to BioWare: Do a happy ending and make it a good one. The angsty endings have been done to death. Stretch yourselves a bit, people. Live outside of your comfort zone, why don't you?

Wow, I sound so bitter. lol I just would like some serious satisfaction at the end of a game, for once. I will give ME1 kudos. I loved the slow smile spreading over Kaidan's face as he realized that my Shep wasn't dead after all.

You mean, True Art is Angsty? Yeah, alot of people in the buz have gone that way. I think its because the happy ending was overused for so long, the angsty backlash is what we're in at the moment.

Modifié par Doug84, 05 mars 2010 - 03:53 .

[Sialater]

SweetiePea wrote...

I feel like there's this overall perception that happy endings are bad, bad, bad. I love David Gaider, I do, but he gets prickly at the mere mention of happy endings. What's up with that. I feel like the overall impression is that happy endings are pedestrian and for the peasants. True art demands angst, death, angst, unhappiness, angst, spending twenty years dying of darkspawn madness, and some more angst, just for good measure. I don't get that. Any ending can be cheesy. Happy endings aren't inherently more cheesy, nor do they have less literary value simply because they're happy. I want to issue this challenge to BioWare: Do a happy ending and make it a good one. The angsty endings have been done to death. Stretch yourselves a bit, people. Live outside of your comfort zone, why don't you?

Wow, I sound so bitter. lol I just would like some serious satisfaction at the end of a game, for once. I will give ME1 kudos. I loved the slow smile spreading over Kaidan's face as he realized that my Shep wasn't dead after all.

I'm happy beaing a peasant, then.  I write nothing but happy endings.  When I do actually finish a story, that is.

Yay! Another Texan!  *hugs Lady Winde*

[sapphyreelf]

SweetiePea wrote...

I feel like there's this overall perception that happy endings are bad, bad, bad. I love David Gaider, I do, but he gets prickly at the mere mention of happy endings. What's up with that. I feel like the overall impression is that happy endings are pedestrian and for the peasants. True art demands angst, death, angst, unhappiness, angst, spending twenty years dying of darkspawn madness, and some more angst, just for good measure. I don't get that. Any ending can be cheesy. Happy endings aren't inherently more cheesy, nor do they have less literary value simply because they're happy. I want to issue this challenge to BioWare: Do a happy ending and make it a good one. The angsty endings have been done to death. Stretch yourselves a bit, people. Live outside of your comfort zone, why don't you?

Wow, I sound so bitter. lol I just would like some serious satisfaction at the end of a game, for once. I will give ME1 kudos. I loved the slow smile spreading over Kaidan's face as he realized that my Shep wasn't dead after all.

Yeah, honestly, I don't get the huge backlash againt the happy ending to a story (or as it is likened to nowadays the "Hollywood ending"). It is not a travesty for the hero to be rewarded at the end of a tale. It is acceptable for tragedy to finally be put aside. Characters don't have to be mired in the darkest of darkest things in order to have depth.

I enjoy a good tragic twist to movies/stories when there's good reason. I'm a big fan of Lovecraftian themes so happy endings don't have to always be there, but I don't enjoy being depressed because all my iconic characters I like all are hinging on having a major psychosis because there is no light in their story.

[MICHELLE7]

Mrs Templar wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Dollhouse was certainly a different kind of show, and I understand the lack of mass appeal from it. I enjoyed it, primarily for certain actors/characters (Paul, Topher, Claire, Bennett, Adelle).
I must say that I really did like the change of character type Joss got for Summer Glau when he wrote her into the series post-Terminator. It was a nice change from River and her Terminator character.

I have a theory that Summer Glau carries a curse that cancels shows (Firefly, Terminator, Dollhouse).  

As far as I'm concerned Terminator went down because they concentrated on the wrong things(Jesse and Riley) in the second season...by the time it started getting good again most of the audience had left.

[Sialater]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Dollhouse was certainly a different kind of show, and I understand the lack of mass appeal from it. I enjoyed it, primarily for certain actors/characters (Paul, Topher, Claire, Bennett, Adelle).
I must say that I really did like the change of character type Joss got for Summer Glau when he wrote her into the series post-Terminator. It was a nice change from River and her Terminator character.

I have a theory that Summer Glau carries a curse that cancels shows (Firefly, Terminator, Dollhouse).  

As far as I'm concerned Terminator went down because they concentrated on the wrong things(Jesse and Riley) in the second season...by the time it started getting good again most of the audience had left.

Now THEY were a couple of lame characters. 

I wanted more Reese.

[Jhourney]

sapphyreelf wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...

I feel like there's this overall perception that happy endings are bad, bad, bad. I love David Gaider, I do, but he gets prickly at the mere mention of happy endings. What's up with that. I feel like the overall impression is that happy endings are pedestrian and for the peasants. True art demands angst, death, angst, unhappiness, angst, spending twenty years dying of darkspawn madness, and some more angst, just for good measure. I don't get that. Any ending can be cheesy. Happy endings aren't inherently more cheesy, nor do they have less literary value simply because they're happy. I want to issue this challenge to BioWare: Do a happy ending and make it a good one. The angsty endings have been done to death. Stretch yourselves a bit, people. Live outside of your comfort zone, why don't you?

Wow, I sound so bitter. lol I just would like some serious satisfaction at the end of a game, for once. I will give ME1 kudos. I loved the slow smile spreading over Kaidan's face as he realized that my Shep wasn't dead after all.

Yeah, honestly, I don't get the huge backlash againt the happy ending to a story (or as it is likened to nowadays the "Hollywood ending"). It is not a travesty for the hero to be rewarded at the end of a tale. It is acceptable for tragedy to finally be put aside. Characters don't have to be mired in the darkest of darkest things in order to have depth.

I enjoy a good tragic twist to movies/stories when there's good reason. I'm a big fan of Lovecraftian themes so happy endings don't have to always be there, but I don't enjoy being depressed because all my iconic characters I like all are hinging on having a major psychosis because there is no light in their story.

A happy or bad ending and it being acceptable to me personally depends on the story I just had to play through/watch prior to that ending. If it's knife twisting after twisting and twisting, you bet I want a happy ending. Sometimes, like with DA, it's just too friggin' much. Yeah dark and edgy, but keep pulling me into the dark around each and every corner and I've had enough.
Toss a romantic, happy, soggy whatever story/movie/game my way where you're all heroic and win the gorgeous man, save the puppy and whatnot, I won't mind it catching me by surprise in the end with something tragic and dark.

It's the unexpected that makes it right or wrong to me. Not the endless pain or endless fluff piled on top of eachother till it becomes silly. So in Shepard/Kaidans case, I think I've seen enough tragedy for me to accept even more. How much can a human being take, even a hero? Enough is enough, fight the epic glorious battle and win the man you love in some exciting, mind blowing last chapter. Having a happy ending doesn't have to mean you can't be on the edge of your seat prior to it and again in a replay despite knowing it will end well.

Could just be me though

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Dollhouse was certainly a different kind of show, and I understand the lack of mass appeal from it. I enjoyed it, primarily for certain actors/characters (Paul, Topher, Claire, Bennett, Adelle).
I must say that I really did like the change of character type Joss got for Summer Glau when he wrote her into the series post-Terminator. It was a nice change from River and her Terminator character.

I have a theory that Summer Glau carries a curse that cancels shows (Firefly, Terminator, Dollhouse).  

As far as I'm concerned Terminator went down because they concentrated on the wrong things(Jesse and Riley) in the second season...by the time it started getting good again most of the audience had left.

Now THEY were a couple of lame characters. 

I wanted more Reese.

I hated Riley. God she made it unbearable to watch at times.

I actually liked the idea of Jesse - if you exclude all the other crap. I wish they would have found a better story for her. (I loved the "future" episode on the submarine)

[MICHELLE7]

Sialater wrote...

Now THEY were a couple of lame characters. 

I wanted more Reese.

And we still don't know exactly what happened to him in that basement.

[MICHELLE7]

sapphyreelf wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...

I feel like there's this overall perception that happy endings are bad, bad, bad. I love David Gaider, I do, but he gets prickly at the mere mention of happy endings. What's up with that. I feel like the overall impression is that happy endings are pedestrian and for the peasants. True art demands angst, death, angst, unhappiness, angst, spending twenty years dying of darkspawn madness, and some more angst, just for good measure. I don't get that. Any ending can be cheesy. Happy endings aren't inherently more cheesy, nor do they have less literary value simply because they're happy. I want to issue this challenge to BioWare: Do a happy ending and make it a good one. The angsty endings have been done to death. Stretch yourselves a bit, people. Live outside of your comfort zone, why don't you?

Wow, I sound so bitter. lol I just would like some serious satisfaction at the end of a game, for once. I will give ME1 kudos. I loved the slow smile spreading over Kaidan's face as he realized that my Shep wasn't dead after all.

Yeah, honestly, I don't get the huge backlash againt the happy ending to a story (or as it is likened to nowadays the "Hollywood ending"). It is not a travesty for the hero to be rewarded at the end of a tale. It is acceptable for tragedy to finally be put aside. Characters don't have to be mired in the darkest of darkest things in order to have depth.

I enjoy a good tragic twist to movies/stories when there's good reason. I'm a big fan of Lovecraftian themes so happy endings don't have to always be there, but I don't enjoy being depressed because all my iconic characters I like all are hinging on having a major psychosis because there is no light in their story.

I don't mind tragedy I just think that there was enough in ME2 for the entire trilogy. And just because a ending is tragic doesn't mean the romance has to be...there are ways to work around that(at least the way I see it).

[crimsonrhodelia]

Joisan (?) wrote...

*Wanders in rubbing her eyes* Good morning. One of the first times I can say I'm genuinely not looking forward to the weekend. I may need a lot of Kaidan love to make it through this one.

As we discovered last night, Kaidan's got an awful lot of love to give.

Jho wrote...
Not quite finished yet, still working on it and possibly turning it into a wallpaper etc etc. But still, it sure as hell makes me happy And yes it's big, high res stuff ftw. Forum resizes it though..hehe

!!!!! I think this might be my favourite shirtless Kaidan shop yet.

Hmm. Shirtless Kaidan shop? I wish the mall had one of those...

Modifié par crimsonrhodelia, 05 mars 2010 - 04:20 .

[Brijenieve]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...

I feel like there's this overall perception that happy endings are bad, bad, bad. I love David Gaider, I do, but he gets prickly at the mere mention of happy endings. What's up with that. I feel like the overall impression is that happy endings are pedestrian and for the peasants. True art demands angst, death, angst, unhappiness, angst, spending twenty years dying of darkspawn madness, and some more angst, just for good measure. I don't get that. Any ending can be cheesy. Happy endings aren't inherently more cheesy, nor do they have less literary value simply because they're happy. I want to issue this challenge to BioWare: Do a happy ending and make it a good one. The angsty endings have been done to death. Stretch yourselves a bit, people. Live outside of your comfort zone, why don't you?

Wow, I sound so bitter. lol I just would like some serious satisfaction at the end of a game, for once. I will give ME1 kudos. I loved the slow smile spreading over Kaidan's face as he realized that my Shep wasn't dead after all.

Yeah, honestly, I don't get the huge backlash againt the happy ending to a story (or as it is likened to nowadays the "Hollywood ending"). It is not a travesty for the hero to be rewarded at the end of a tale. It is acceptable for tragedy to finally be put aside. Characters don't have to be mired in the darkest of darkest things in order to have depth.

I enjoy a good tragic twist to movies/stories when there's good reason. I'm a big fan of Lovecraftian themes so happy endings don't have to always be there, but I don't enjoy being depressed because all my iconic characters I like all are hinging on having a major psychosis because there is no light in their story.

I don't mind tragedy I just think that there was enough in ME2 for the entire trilogy. And just because a ending is tragic doesn't mean the romance has to be...there are ways to work around that(at least the way I see it).

Mrrraawwwhhh you know it's busy when you don't even have time to drink your coffee.... I work at a library, why is it so busy today!? ::grumpy:: <_<

This talk about tragedy and twists and such reminds me of the interview we read a few days ago - the suggestion was that the ME trilogy is following the normal 3-act arc. Usually if you see bliss in Act 2, it ends in ironic tragedy in Act 3; when you see tragedy and plot twistage in Act 2, that usually means there will be some kind of reconciliation in Act 3. That doesn't mean there will or should be an over-the-top ending either though - there are a lot of other ways for them to end the trilogy well without there being a syrup-fest wedding situation... which my Shepard would hate, anyway, haha. "You want me to wear...what?"

[Shenzi]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...

I feel like there's this overall perception that happy endings are bad, bad, bad. I love David Gaider, I do, but he gets prickly at the mere mention of happy endings. What's up with that. I feel like the overall impression is that happy endings are pedestrian and for the peasants. True art demands angst, death, angst, unhappiness, angst, spending twenty years dying of darkspawn madness, and some more angst, just for good measure. I don't get that. Any ending can be cheesy. Happy endings aren't inherently more cheesy, nor do they have less literary value simply because they're happy. I want to issue this challenge to BioWare: Do a happy ending and make it a good one. The angsty endings have been done to death. Stretch yourselves a bit, people. Live outside of your comfort zone, why don't you?

Wow, I sound so bitter. lol I just would like some serious satisfaction at the end of a game, for once. I will give ME1 kudos. I loved the slow smile spreading over Kaidan's face as he realized that my Shep wasn't dead after all.

Yeah, honestly, I don't get the huge backlash againt the happy ending to a story (or as it is likened to nowadays the "Hollywood ending"). It is not a travesty for the hero to be rewarded at the end of a tale. It is acceptable for tragedy to finally be put aside. Characters don't have to be mired in the darkest of darkest things in order to have depth.

I enjoy a good tragic twist to movies/stories when there's good reason. I'm a big fan of Lovecraftian themes so happy endings don't have to always be there, but I don't enjoy being depressed because all my iconic characters I like all are hinging on having a major psychosis because there is no light in their story.

I don't mind tragedy I just think that there was enough in ME2 for the entire trilogy. And just because a ending is tragic doesn't mean the romance has to be...there are ways to work around that(at least the way I see it).

Since ME3 is supposed to be the end of a trilogy, I want a happy ending!   It doesn’t have to include a wedding or even an engagement but I do expect to see Shep and his / her love interest to have reconciled and end the story together.
 
Shep saved the galaxy, died very unpleasantly and then was brought back to save the galaxy all over again. She deserves a frigging happy ending.

[crimsonrhodelia]

@Jho: I'll try to take a bunch of Kaidan screenshots today! Want to start a new ME play through anyway. I miss talking to him!

[Jhourney]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

@Jho: I'll try to take a bunch of Kaidan screenshots today! Want to start a new ME play through anyway. I miss talking to him!

Thank you!!

[sesheta255]

Brijenieve wrote...

This talk about tragedy and twists and such reminds me of the interview we read a few days ago - the suggestion was that the ME trilogy is following the normal 3-act arc. Usually if you see bliss in Act 2, it ends in ironic tragedy in Act 3; when you see tragedy and plot twistage in Act 2, that usually means there will be some kind of reconciliation in Act 3. That doesn't mean there will or should be an over-the-top ending either though - there are a lot of other ways for them to end the trilogy well without there being a syrup-fest wedding situation... which my Shepard would hate, anyway, haha. "You want me to wear...what?"

 Just had a vision of shep being forced to wear some sort of wedding suitable dress, if not a wedding dress, but refusing to reliquish her weapons.  - gives new meaning to a shotgun wedding.

[lady winde]

"Just in case you change your mind "



She ain't letting him get away again!

[RyrineaNara]

Sialater wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...

I feel like there's this overall perception that happy endings are bad, bad, bad. I love David Gaider, I do, but he gets prickly at the mere mention of happy endings. What's up with that. I feel like the overall impression is that happy endings are pedestrian and for the peasants. True art demands angst, death, angst, unhappiness, angst, spending twenty years dying of darkspawn madness, and some more angst, just for good measure. I don't get that. Any ending can be cheesy. Happy endings aren't inherently more cheesy, nor do they have less literary value simply because they're happy. I want to issue this challenge to BioWare: Do a happy ending and make it a good one. The angsty endings have been done to death. Stretch yourselves a bit, people. Live outside of your comfort zone, why don't you?

Wow, I sound so bitter. lol I just would like some serious satisfaction at the end of a game, for once. I will give ME1 kudos. I loved the slow smile spreading over Kaidan's face as he realized that my Shep wasn't dead after all.

I'm happy beaing a peasant, then.  I write nothing but happy endings.  When I do actually finish a story, that is.

Yay! Another Texan!  *hugs Lady Winde*

I'm a Texan, and proud of it ^^. 

[chem light]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

shinyspace wrote...

Joisan wrote...

*Wanders in rubbing her eyes* Good morning. One of the first times I can say I'm genuinely not looking forward to the weekend. I may need a lot of Kaidan love to make it through this one.

Well, you know where to find that. Hang in there.

Not quite finished yet, still working on it and possibly turning it into a wallpaper etc etc. But still, it sure as hell makes me happy And yes it's big, high res stuff ftw. Forum resizes it though..hehe

Yummy Yummy Drool Fest.

Oh HELLO! I'll take this in life size cut out pleese!


Yeah, I had a bit of a hissy fit when Wash died.  I mean, I handled Shepard Book okay, but, Wash?  Why?  Just why?  WHO KILLS THE COMIC RELIEF CHARCTER IN A HORRIFIC WAY RIGHT WHEN I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE IS SAFE?

It's just wrong.

*sigh* I am a leaf on the wind...

Wait, what?  Inara incurable disease?

[lady winde]

Dude if you ladies are in the houston area we should meet up! I'd bring my sketchpad and give you kaidan piccies!

[crimsonrhodelia]

Jhosephine wrote...

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

@Jho: I'll try to take a bunch of Kaidan screenshots today! Want to start a new ME play through anyway. I miss talking to him!

Thank you!!

Anything for you! I keep wanting to play, but somehow I'm constantly getting sucked in to hanging out on the boards indeed. Wonder why?

[sesheta255]

I can just see the social page write-up :

The groom wore Armani, the bride wore Elanus Risk Control

[Brijenieve]

sesheta255 wrote...

 Just had a vision of shep being forced to wear some sort of wedding suitable dress, if not a wedding dress, but refusing to reliquish her weapons.  - gives new meaning to a shotgun wedding.

Haha - I think if it were up to her, they would just elope somewhere, whereas I can see Kaidan pushing more for an actual wedding because his mother would never forgive him otherwise.

[crimsonrhodelia]

sesheta255 wrote...

I can just see the social page write-up :
The groom wore Armani, the bride wore Elanus Risk Control

NO ONE WORE PHOENIX ARMOUR. NO ONE!

[sesheta255]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

I can just see the social page write-up :
The groom wore Armani, the bride wore Elanus Risk Control

NO ONE WORE PHOENIX ARMOUR. NO ONE!

 Oh but Wrex was gonna be bridesmaid, all pretty in pink

[RyrineaNara]

Brijenieve wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...

I feel like there's this overall perception that happy endings are bad, bad, bad. I love David Gaider, I do, but he gets prickly at the mere mention of happy endings. What's up with that. I feel like the overall impression is that happy endings are pedestrian and for the peasants. True art demands angst, death, angst, unhappiness, angst, spending twenty years dying of darkspawn madness, and some more angst, just for good measure. I don't get that. Any ending can be cheesy. Happy endings aren't inherently more cheesy, nor do they have less literary value simply because they're happy. I want to issue this challenge to BioWare: Do a happy ending and make it a good one. The angsty endings have been done to death. Stretch yourselves a bit, people. Live outside of your comfort zone, why don't you?

Wow, I sound so bitter. lol I just would like some serious satisfaction at the end of a game, for once. I will give ME1 kudos. I loved the slow smile spreading over Kaidan's face as he realized that my Shep wasn't dead after all.

Yeah, honestly, I don't get the huge backlash againt the happy ending to a story (or as it is likened to nowadays the "Hollywood ending"). It is not a travesty for the hero to be rewarded at the end of a tale. It is acceptable for tragedy to finally be put aside. Characters don't have to be mired in the darkest of darkest things in order to have depth.

I enjoy a good tragic twist to movies/stories when there's good reason. I'm a big fan of Lovecraftian themes so happy endings don't have to always be there, but I don't enjoy being depressed because all my iconic characters I like all are hinging on having a major psychosis because there is no light in their story.

I don't mind tragedy I just think that there was enough in ME2 for the entire trilogy. And just because a ending is tragic doesn't mean the romance has to be...there are ways to work around that(at least the way I see it).

Mrrraawwwhhh you know it's busy when you don't even have time to drink your coffee.... I work at a library, why is it so busy today!? ::grumpy:: <_<

This talk about tragedy and twists and such reminds me of the interview we read a few days ago - the suggestion was that the ME trilogy is following the normal 3-act arc. Usually if you see bliss in Act 2, it ends in ironic tragedy in Act 3; when you see tragedy and plot twistage in Act 2, that usually means there will be some kind of reconciliation in Act 3. That doesn't mean there will or should be an over-the-top ending either though - there are a lot of other ways for them to end the trilogy well without there being a syrup-fest wedding situation... which my Shepard would hate, anyway, haha. "You want me to wear...what?"

 that wired, because I have 3 parters have happy endings.