Alice829 wrote...
A bit of speculation on ME3 - everyone's wondering how the devs will incorporate the ME1 & ME2 squaddies together depending on who survives, and without going insane.
I don't know how everyone makes a big deal out of it. ME2 already has 13 squad mates including Kasumi. That's more than double the amount that ME1 had. Whether or not a squad mate returns is binary.
Either
0 - They didn't survive.
1 - They did survive.
If they didn't survive, for some squad mates there will be an NPC replacement. For example, Wrex was replaced by another Krogan as head of the Urdnot clan. This krogan was not recruitable, but assumed Wrex's position.
If they did survive, they could be a squad mate. Most people I would wager had most of their squadmates survive, or all of them. If not, they likely reloaded. All of my friends who played ME2 either had only one or two die and reloaded or they got it right on the first try. Even then, not all of the squadmates seem like they having nothing better to do than be with Shepard, so that shaves off some of the workload as well.
So, ME2 has 13 squad mates. But
Morinth - Obviously would leave, has more brain eating to do. Most people killed her anyway.
Zaeed - Mercenary who was hired for the suicide mission only. Could retire or take up another contract with someone else.
Kasumi - Also a DLC character like Zaeed, and probably has some more stealing or contracts to do after the suicide mission.
These 3 are almost assuredly not going to return as squad mates. They all have more mischief to do.
Samara - Said she will return to being a Justicar IIRC after the suicide mission. Also says she will personally hunt down Shepard if he/she does things she disagrees with.
Mordin - Doesn't have all that much time left to live due to Salarian lifespans. He could be an NPC or pass away. He's also not very well suited for combat.
Just from that you can shave off 5 squad mates which leaves us with 8, only two more than ME2. Add Ashley/Kaidan/Liara/Kaidan, and that's 12, less than ME2.
Grunt - Could help out the Urdnot Clan. He also has less reason to follow Shepard if you didn't do his loyalty mission.
Jack - Said herself that she wasn't doing the suicide mission to help anyone. If you don't romance her IIRC she tells Shepard to "**** off," or some variation thereof which doesn't exactly give much hope for her to return as a squad mate, unless you romance her. Not sure of the worth of having her return only if you romanced her, given that she was *probably* the least popular romance for males, and probably not all that popular in general.
Thane - He could possibly die or be dying in ME3, or could return to his son or assassinations.
Legion - Doing geth stuff.
Tali - Could become an admiral. Then again if there is a possibility for her to become an admiral, it may hinge upon whether she was exiled or not.
Miranda, Garrus, and Jacob seem the most likely to return in that order.
Miranda - Hardest squad mate to kill on the suicide mission, the most vital and important squad mate out of all of ME2.
Garrus could go back to killing criminals, but he seems rather fond of going after major players like Saren and the collectors with Shepard.
Jacob if you destroy the collector base seems to indicate that he's going to help Shepard through the fallout with Cerberus and the battle with the reapers. But he also has a lousy and unpopular romance interest, and cited as being boring. So out of the three he's least likely IMO.
All of what I wrote could be misinterpreted as evidence against most squad mates returning...but I'm just trying to show that the task of squadmates returning is not such a monumental one in scope of everything Bioware has already done. Bioware has already done the nightmare task of creating high quality games like ME1 and ME2, stuff like that doesn't happen without genuine and lengthy time and effort.
I'm thinking that since dialogue is used fairly interchangeably (example: Jack's loyalty mission, almost everyone says some variation of "This is...unbelievable" it doesn't matter from a dev standpoint exactly who survives (it matters to us, of course).
I don't think you can say that it doesn't matter who survives just from that. The "This is unbelievable" line is extremely minor and unimportant, and was how ME1 was like anyway. We've already got loyalty missions for all of the squad mates which are highly varied and give much insight to the characters. That's already a step above ME1.
The suicide mission business was an advertising point for ME2 and was highly emphasized by Bioware themselves. The suicide mission is reduced to a gimmick if it doesn't matter who survives or they are reduced to cameos. I don't think gimmick is what Bioware is going for.
Anyway, since you can't import your ME2 game if you don't survive, who survives because you do? My guess is the only guaranteed ME2 squaddies will be the ones in your final team, since if they don't make it, you don't. The rest are nice and add character & depth, but aren't needed to carry the game forward, especially if they've already served their purpose. Pick that team carefully...
I may be misinterpreting you and you could just be saying that all or most squad mates will return, but only those who you recruited and survived the suicide mission, in which case I'd agree. For a lot of the characters you recruit you are either saving their lives or they were hired or have something else to do anyway.
Tali, Garrus, Thane, Jack, Grunt, and Legion were all saved by Shepard. Garrus and Jack you needed to recruit so they don't exactly fit the bill. But Tali, Thane, Grunt, and Legion could have died or otherwise not be available if you didn't recruit them. Tali almost assuredly would be a goner if Shepard didn't save her, as Kal'Reegar was already wounded. Thane might have been killed as well, there were plenty of mercenaries around. Grunt and Legion don't need to be recruited even if you save them, Grunt would be chilling out in his tank and Legion could be sold to Cerberus.
BUT you have to recruit most squad mates, and some of them you need to recruit specifically.
If you mean "final team" as in who you bring to fight the human reaper, I don't think that matters. So long as two squad mates in general survive the suicide mission, Shepard survives.
Kaidan/Ashley and Liara are going to be big players in ME3 so it's not exactly like we're devoid of squad mates essential to the story. The ME2 squad mates can return and be unique, it's just that they can't be absolutely vital to the game progressing. Nothing wrong with that, as ME2 characters were still great despite none of them aside from Miranda being absolutely vital.
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