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[crimsonrhodelia]

Isaantia wrote...

Jimbe2693 wrote...

"Kaidan, focus on the mission"

bwahahaha!!!
I can't stop looking at that stash either.

Lucky Kaidan! His facial hair envy paid off, because I noticed that Jimbe was kind enough to give him a sweet beard along with a nice head of big poofy hair on this thread http://social.biowar...ndex/1145933/16.

Yeah, I can't quite decide whether that Tali doll thing is more hideous or hilarious! The Kaidan kitty has nothing on that.

[crimsonrhodelia]

...And with that, we got to 1000 posts in KAST Part 2! Woohoo!

[Jhourney]

I try to find the silver lining in the Horizon scene time and time again. I try to justify what Bioware did and write it off as "well it leaves us eager for ME3", that it made sense for Shepard and Kaidan to respond the way they did. I can try looking at my Shepard and imagine she looks sad, that it hurts her and the 'How ya doin'?" is just her feeling nervous and awkward. I can try to wrap my mind around as to why Kaidan just wrote 1 mail and we have no way of replying to it despite the hell we're going through and the suicide mission we're on. I can try being all understanding, have faith in Bioware and believe this is what they intended.

I can try, but I fail.

After two long years of waiting, fearing what those 'cameos" would be, longing to continue Shepard's story and finally see Kaidan again, knowing the love story is part of the trilogy. After those two long years, we deserved a whole lot more than the generic crap we got! There, I said it.

I cannot wrap my mind around the fact they used generic dialogue with a slight alteration for both Ash and Kaidan, two characters so different from eachother. The same generic dialogue you get wether or not you import the Shepard from ME1 or used the default one. We waited for two years to get some copy and paste cutscene at the start and copy and paste dialogue on Horizon. Two years to watch as our Shepard approaches Kaidan as if he's just a friend she hasn't seen a while, as if he means nothing to her. We can read between the lines all we want, roleplay what we so desperately WANT to see, it doesn't take away the fact the dialogue was crap.

It almost seems that when Bioware distributed their resources for the sequel, the majority of it went to the new characters to make them as compelling as possible. As if someone just tied Kaidan and Ash into the story with as little resources used as possible, coming up with 1 scene and 1 dialogue that could apply to both characters AND new players. As if disregarding the detail (like Kaidan in phoenix armor) meant they could save said resources to have fun (as they said in an interview) with the new crew, like making Mordin sing.

New and old players should have gotten a different dialogue at Horizon! Kaidan deserved more than showing up in pink armor at the awesome cutscene at the start, he was the male lead of ME1!!! (for a femshep) Geesh!
Was it really too much work and too costly to have the game recognize an imported Shepard with an active romance with Kaidan and thus trigger a loaded, tension filled scene at Horizon? Ignore the fact that Kaidan looks odd with an assault rifle, ignore the fact that he never uses any biotics when the swarm approaches. Fine save on resources there, but give us detail in the dialogue!

I can understand the dark part, the all time low of your relationship. But we waited two years for this! I am not expecting some passionate reunion, hell no, I get why it had to be emotional and tense. What I don't get is Shepard's neutral responses and what I don't get is the lack of follow up after Horizon. The mail was nice, but also too easy. Despite knowing about the cameo, I fully expected Bioware to give Kaidan a 'presence' in ME2, and no not by giving us a picture to stare at. While a lovely detail, it's again too easy.

Part of me expected Kaidan to be like Hackett in ME1, asking your help on occassion as a link to the Alliance. I figured he would be intertwined with Shepard's story still throughout the game. Perhaps not as a full LI because of their issues, but as a military man. (does it make sense? prolly not, but I wanted more from Kaidan) Something. Something that gave him presence without being onscreen.

What we got we're lovely new characters but who I never gave a chance because I spend my time looking for, expecting more from Kaidan. My heart isn't into Thane or Jacob...not even Garrus who I adore but is just a friend to my Shepard. A friend who's dialogue is so limited because he's now written as a LI and he stops speaking to you if you're not interested. Why should I bother getting attached to these characters when the LI's are flings imo and everybody can die at the end and thus be reduced to crappy cameos in part 3? And why should I roleplay my Shepard to be okay with Horizon in my mind when the next moment I see her launch herself at Jacob and I have no control over it what so ever. I cannot roleplay a Shepard like that! Where is my control, where are my choices? I have no effect on Horizon and no effect on Shepard reacting like a woman in heat.

My Shepard has no LI and no one to really talk to on the new Normandy. While Joker mentioned Kaidan it's not in his character to have some indepth dialogue with. And Kelly, well, honestly I wished they would have made Kelly some background NPC who tells you when you have messages and remove all cliche secretary banging from her character. Free up resources and give it to the ME1 LI's. 

I am demanding, I know, I have no right to demand a thing...but I AM disappointed in Bioware for dismissing such great characters ever so easily, despite bringing them back in ME3. I know ME2 is all about the new characters but there didn't have to be that many of them, and thus in my eyes you blew resources on that.
Do we even need new characters added through DLC? Did Zaeed really add something new to the crew? Couldn't his resources been spend on more detail for the characters you already had?

There are times I just get tired of trying to see the silver lining where there's nothing to be seen.

Frustrating. /end rant

Modifié par Jhosephine, 21 février 2010 - 09:31 .

[Jhourney]

Just read your story Becc, loved it. Well done

[Isaantia]

Working on this .gif reminded me of a Magnetic Fields song:

All You Ever Do is Walk Away

Sad as a painted clown, a beautiful boy in an ugly town
but when your circus closes down don't walk away from me
you've been asleep too long, the birds are bruises in the dawn
the pounds of flesh between us stretch as far as you can see

But all you ever do is walk away
and I know if you'd only go slow
you could see what it means to be making the scene with me
But all you ever do is walk away
and I think if you tried you could find a little time
for the life I can see in your eyes, don't go.

Don't go.

Sometimes you just explode and no one alive can break your code
You have a language of your own, an unconnected road
The people you called your friends, the places you won't go again
The decades lost in finding them, you'll have to let them go.

But all you ever do is walk away
and I know if you'd only go slow

Modifié par Isaantia, 21 février 2010 - 09:57 .

[RedNanaki]

It's a perfectly justified rant, they spread the marmelade too thin on the bread. The characters are great, but there are too many. It feels sort of like the new writers wanted to make it their own game instead of continue the saga. I get the resource restraints, but it's not so much what they didn't do as what they could have done with the same resources. The no biotics on Horizon is understandable, but the dialogue is just, well... fail.

[Jhourney]

RedNanaki wrote...

It's a perfectly justified rant, they spread the marmelade too thin on the bread. The characters are great, but there are too many. It feels sort of like the new writers wanted to make it their own game instead of continue the saga. I get the resource restraints, but it's not so much what they didn't do as what they could have done with the same resources. The no biotics on Horizon is understandable, but the dialogue is just, well... fail.

Yeah. There are times I can happily roleplay my own story around it, but the fact remains the scene is what it is.

Anyway, I'll counter my own doom and gloom

[BECC4]

Lol, Joey always lifts the mood!
Morning jho, thanks for reading, infact thanks everyone who read it.  Yes Star I will carry on, almost written the next part

My turn to be cheery today, DG and SW warned us about the cameo in ME2, but we didn't listen.  CH has been telling us all the while the ME1 LI are important, but he didn't say in which part.  They've told us the truth throughout, it's our expectations for ME2 that were off. 

They told us we'd be rewarded for staying faithful in ME3.  Now I would guess the important bits are the ones that get done first and as ME1 characters are important, devs words, I wouldn't be suprised it their stories were already written.  I think it's the ME2 LI that are liable to get tweeked/added/cut as they cannot be intergral to the plot as they could have died in ME2.  I very much doubt Bioware devs will change their mind in a massive plot altering way when they're trying to get this game out as quickly as possible. 

Have faith, Bioware won't let us down

[BECC4]

chem light wrote...

Celestria129 wrote...

chem light wrote...

okay, can't sleep. hate not sleeping. what are we talking about? love interests?

hmmmm...yeah....still can't get all you guys biotic foreplay out of my mind. man this place has really permanently relocated my mind to the gutter.

didn't you see the new sign on the door? well if not then it says

"Kaidan Alenko Support Thread is now located permnently in the gutter, this way please!----->

Hehehe...I'm kind of tempted to put a bunch convention like folding chairs in a culvert, put a table of finger food out, and take that picture.

Hmm finger food on Kaidan, niiiiiiiiice

On a slightly related note my mum is making roast lamb for dinner today, I'm very much looking forward to it and yummy Yorkshire puddings ............... ok back to Kaidan what do you think Kaidan's favourite meat would be?  If infact you see him as a meat eater, random I know but I'm curious.

Modifié par BECC4, 21 février 2010 - 10:39 .

[Jhourney]

BECC4 wrote...
Hehehe...I'm kind of tempted to put a bunch convention like folding chairs in a culvert, put a table of finger food out, and take that picture.

Hmm finger food on Kaidan, niiiiiiiiice

On a slightly related note my mum is making roast lamb for dinner today, I'm very much looking forward to it and yummy Yorkshire puddings ............... ok back to Kaidan what do you think Kaidan's favourite meat would be?  If infact you see him as a meat eater, random I know but I'm curious.

Well thanks for the uplifting words Becc

And foodwise? I think Kaidan is like my bf in that regard, a garbage disposer..eat everything, love everything, love food. I do see him as the steak kind of guy. But again, I think he'll try everything, perhaps love something in particular but isn't really hating anything. Maybe Kaidan has a bit of a sweet tooth? Who knows I envy my bf at times, I don't like fish for example nor do I like alcohol or coffee....the bf drinks and eats everything, darn him

Modifié par Jhosephine, 21 février 2010 - 10:50 .

[sesheta255]

BECC4 wrote...

On a slightly related note my mum is making roast lamb for dinner today, I'm very much looking forward to it and yummy Yorkshire puddings ............... ok back to Kaidan what do you think Kaidan's favourite meat would be?  If infact you see him as a meat eater, random I know but I'm curious.

a nice slab of Aussie BBQ'd rump steak of course (or being Aussie I should say lamb - spitroasted).  Maybe he likes a nice bit of marinated Varren steak.

[Lisa_H]

Just read you story BECC4. Think it is great so far.

[RedNanaki]

I can see meat being less common or at least replaced by something more resource-efficient, considering how much it takes to get one adult animal. They probably eat beans or the likes for protein instead. Or some form of substitute with meat flavour...

No clue what he'd eat anyway, so much about him is still an enigma.

Edit: Of course, doesn't mean they don't eat meat at all, just that it's rare quality goods. He doesn't seem like the typical vegeterian at any rate.

Modifié par RedNanaki, 21 février 2010 - 11:17 .

[BECC4]

Hmmmmm steak, I'm very much a meat eater but my favourite is definitely lamb. Aussie lamb is awesome! I dunno don't see Kaidan as a pudding guy, I think he'd be more interested in the main course.



What do you think Varren tastes like?

[BECC4]

RedNanaki wrote...

I can see meat being less common or at least replaced by something more resource-efficient, considering how much it takes to get one adult animal. They probably eat beans or the likes for protein instead. Or some form of substitute with meat flavour...
No clue what he'd eat anyway, so much about him is stil an enigma.

Eeeeew beans, your probably right thought, can't imagine them with a freezer full of meat on the Normandy, I guess it'd be army rations all the way! 

[RedNanaki]

BECC4 wrote...

RedNanaki wrote...

I can see meat being less common or at least replaced by something more resource-efficient, considering how much it takes to get one adult animal. They probably eat beans or the likes for protein instead. Or some form of substitute with meat flavour...
No clue what he'd eat anyway, so much about him is stil an enigma.

Eeeeew beans, your probably right thought, can't imagine them with a freezer full of meat on the Normandy, I guess it'd be army rations all the way! 

I hate beans, it just seemed like a logical reasoning.  Picky eaters don't thrive is space! 

[Jhourney]

BECC4 wrote...

Hmmmmm steak, I'm very much a meat eater but my favourite is definitely lamb. Aussie lamb is awesome! I dunno don't see Kaidan as a pudding guy, I think he'd be more interested in the main course.

I can totally see Kaidan sticking his finger in a bowl of whipped cream or sneaking to the fridge late at night for some cheesecake....and then work it off in the morning to stay in shape

[Darazelly]

Suddenly I can imagine someone yelling "Alright, who took my cookies!?" and both Kaidan and Shepard looking a bit guilty.

[Jhourney]

Darazelly wrote...

Suddenly I can imagine someone yelling "Alright, who took my cookies!?" and both Kaidan and Shepard looking a bit guilty.

And then they would look at eachother and burst out in laughter.....awww, fluff, how I love thee

[MICHELLE7]

Eshaye wrote...

Joisan wrote...

I actually liked the middle response better.  Still not exactly what Mia would have said, but at least it's not as inane as "How've you been?"  How the hell does she think he's been?!

Now that I've played that scene again the How you've been comes off better because it could be my imagination or someone having suggesting this on the forum before, but Shep does seem uncomfortable when saying it, like she's not sure what to say and how he's going to react, and then it's totally inadequate and blows up in her face. If I think about it pretty sure I've said and done something similar before.. 
 I hope I'm not trying to excuse BioWare, I do wish they'd written the encounter differently, but I do see that particular line in a new light now, and it gives Shepard a human flaw. 

Yeah, she did seem uncomfortable but it was weak like most of her other responses. It almost looked like she was about ready to cry at one point but again the facial reaction was weak. I think they wanted to make it as vague as possible so they wouldn't have to go to all the trouble of using different animations and dialog for a romantic response if you romanced him or a non romantic response if you didn't.

[MICHELLE7]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

LN19 wrote...

chem light wrote...

Shockwave on the other hand, especially on collector ship, is awesome. New platform slides up. And knock half the combatants off the platform. Very fun.

Or when facing the hoard of husks right before getting off the collector vessel, somewhat similar to bowling


On another note, I currently installing ME back onto my hard drive...I have missed it

When I replayed ME the other week, I was delighted to discover that my favourite way of killing husks and Thorian Creepers is by running them over with the Mako.

Shepard *runs over husk, reverses, husk flies off over mountain edge*: Weeee!
Wrex: *hysterical laughter* Do it again!
Kaidan: *clears throat* Is that really necessary, ma'am?
Shepard: *shocked* Of course it's necessary, Alenko! Would you rather they explode into goo all over that nice new armour I bought you?
Kaidan: ...Point taken, Commander. Carry on.

:lol:

[MICHELLE7]

fortunesque wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

I started a new game just to use mods to give my character new hair, eye color, and outfits. I'm not supposed to playing dress-up in a Mass Effect game!!! That's the sort of thing I would do in Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3, because the game world seemed so empty without party members. Bioware games are supposed to have the compelling storyline.

This is all so backwards.

 

I know what you mean. I'm halfway through the game and I feel no immersion whatsoever.

Exactly, I was completely emotionally unconnected with the story and the characters...the only engaging part to me was the part towards the end with Joker and EDI.

[MICHELLE7]

sesheta255 wrote...

I lost count of the number of times I played ME, but I'm finding I have to force myself through each successive playthrough of ME2 (planet scanning doesn't help either) - its just hard to get immersed in the story, it feels incomplete. I'm actually wondering whether the change of game mechanics took longer than BW thought and they had to rush to get it out because the game feels rushed to me.  

Never thought of that...but now that you said it...it does feel incomplete.

[BECC4]

MICHELLE7 wrote...
Exactly, I was completely emotionally unconnected with the story and the characters...the only engaging part to me was the part towards the end with Joker and EDI.

That bit terrified me, I was sat on the edge of my chair squealing everytime a collector showed up!

Weird the difference not being able to shoot things made.

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

I try to find the silver lining in the Horizon scene time and time again. I try to justify what Bioware did and write it off as "well it leaves us eager for ME3", that it made sense for Shepard and Kaidan to respond the way they did. I can try looking at my Shepard and imagine she looks sad, that it hurts her and the 'How ya doin'?" is just her feeling nervous and awkward. I can try to wrap my mind around as to why Kaidan just wrote 1 mail and we have no way of replying to it despite the hell we're going through and the suicide mission we're on. I can try being all understanding, have faith in Bioware and believe this is what they intended.

I can try, but I fail.

After two long years of waiting, fearing what those 'cameos" would be, longing to continue Shepard's story and finally see Kaidan again, knowing the love story is part of the trilogy. After those two long years, we deserved a whole lot more than the generic crap we got! There, I said it.

I cannot wrap my mind around the fact they used generic dialogue with a slight alteration for both Ash and Kaidan, two characters so different from eachother. The same generic dialogue you get wether or not you import the Shepard from ME1 or used the default one. We waited for two years to get some copy and paste cutscene at the start and copy and paste dialogue on Horizon. Two years to watch as our Shepard approaches Kaidan as if he's just a friend she hasn't seen a while, as if he means nothing to her. We can read between the lines all we want, roleplay what we so desperately WANT to see, it doesn't take away the fact the dialogue was crap.

It almost seems that when Bioware distributed their resources for the sequel, the majority of it went to the new characters to make them as compelling as possible. As if someone just tied Kaidan and Ash into the story with as little resources used as possible, coming up with 1 scene and 1 dialogue that could apply to both characters AND new players. As if disregarding the detail (like Kaidan in phoenix armor) meant they could save said resources to have fun (as they said in an interview) with the new crew, like making Mordin sing.

New and old players should have gotten a different dialogue at Horizon! Kaidan deserved more than showing up in pink armor at the awesome cutscene at the start, he was the male lead of ME1!!! (for a femshep) Geesh!
Was it really too much work and too costly to have the game recognize an imported Shepard with an active romance with Kaidan and thus trigger a loaded, tension filled scene at Horizon? Ignore the fact that Kaidan looks odd with an assault rifle, ignore the fact that he never uses any biotics when the swarm approaches. Fine save on resources there, but give us detail in the dialogue!

I can understand the dark part, the all time low of your relationship. But we waited two years for this! I am not expecting some passionate reunion, hell no, I get why it had to be emotional and tense. What I don't get is Shepard's neutral responses and what I don't get is the lack of follow up after Horizon. The mail was nice, but also too easy. Despite knowing about the cameo, I fully expected Bioware to give Kaidan a 'presence' in ME2, and no not by giving us a picture to stare at. While a lovely detail, it's again too easy.

Part of me expected Kaidan to be like Hackett in ME1, asking your help on occassion as a link to the Alliance. I figured he would be intertwined with Shepard's story still throughout the game. Perhaps not as a full LI because of their issues, but as a military man. (does it make sense? prolly not, but I wanted more from Kaidan) Something. Something that gave him presence without being onscreen.

What we got we're lovely new characters but who I never gave a chance because I spend my time looking for, expecting more from Kaidan. My heart isn't into Thane or Jacob...not even Garrus who I adore but is just a friend to my Shepard. A friend who's dialogue is so limited because he's now written as a LI and he stops speaking to you if you're not interested. Why should I bother getting attached to these characters when the LI's are flings imo and everybody can die at the end and thus be reduced to crappy cameos in part 3? And why should I roleplay my Shepard to be okay with Horizon in my mind when the next moment I see her launch herself at Jacob and I have no control over it what so ever. I cannot roleplay a Shepard like that! Where is my control, where are my choices? I have no effect on Horizon and no effect on Shepard reacting like a woman in heat.

My Shepard has no LI and no one to really talk to on the new Normandy. While Joker mentioned Kaidan it's not in his character to have some indepth dialogue with. And Kelly, well, honestly I wished they would have made Kelly some background NPC who tells you when you have messages and remove all cliche secretary banging from her character. Free up resources and give it to the ME1 LI's. 

I am demanding, I know, I have no right to demand a thing...but I AM disappointed in Bioware for dismissing such great characters ever so easily, despite bringing them back in ME3. I know ME2 is all about the new characters but there didn't have to be that many of them, and thus in my eyes you blew resources on that.
Do we even need new characters added through DLC? Did Zaeed really add something new to the crew? Couldn't his resources been spend on more detail for the characters you already had?

There are times I just get tired of trying to see the silver lining where there's nothing to be seen.

Frustrating. /end rant

I think you pretty much sum up my frustration perfectly.

And all the effort they put into those new characters kind of failed for me. I liked a few...Mordin, Samara, and Legion. Even liked Zaeed to an extent because I didn't have to worry about him hitting on me. But for the most part the new characters just didn't hold my interest.

Yes, I was looking for Kaidan...I would even say that I thought about him the entire time I played but in my opinion that just reveals how great a character he was in the first place and the fact that the new ones couldn't take my mind off of him(and to a lesser extent the old crew...I even missed Pressley) just proves that the new characters didn't hold a candle to the old ones. 

It's kinda like watching the second season of Lost(or your favorite show) and finding out all the new characters have been replaced. It feels like you've been punched in the gut. Just my opinion.