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[Kabraxal]

fortunesque wrote...

Awakenings = DBGT?

Don't bother getting this?  Is that what it means?

If so, then I do advise skipping it.  If people though ME2 was bad... oi, can't imagine their rooms after this.

[fortunesque]

Kabraxal wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Awakenings = DBGT?

Don't bother getting this?  Is that what it means?

If so, then I do advise skipping it.  If people though ME2 was bad... oi, can't imagine their rooms after this.

Dragonball GT.
The anime company for DBZ wanted to continue the story while the artist said the story was over. They made it anyway without the original creator's permission.
The conclusion I was drawing was that many fans didn't consider it as canon and when it's mentioned, the general response is

[Kabraxal]

fortunesque wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Awakenings = DBGT?

Don't bother getting this?  Is that what it means?

If so, then I do advise skipping it.  If people though ME2 was bad... oi, can't imagine their rooms after this.

Dragonball GT.
The anime company for DBZ wanted to continue the story while the artist said the story was over. They made it anyway without the original creator's permission.
The conclusion I was drawing was that many fans didn't consider it as canon and when it's mentioned, the general response is

O... I had forgotten about the horror.  I really didn't care for DB to begin with, but even I could see the travesty behind that continuation.

The same thing has happened with the EU in Star Wars too.  The Legacy of the Force saga effectively split the fanbase and many, many long time fans no longer recognise the canonicity of much of the EU because of it.

[crimsonrhodelia]

...I'm sorry...what? The sexiness of disapproving Kaidan totally distracted me...



...Oh, ah, wait. Dragon Age? Um...Needs more Alistair as far as I can see, having played all of five minutes of it.

[sesheta255]

I'm with you Fort - I love Dragonball & DBZ, (and DBZ abridged, lol) but GT sucked big time.

I hope bw doesn't pull the same garbage for ME3 that they did with awakenings ending

[fortunesque]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

...I'm sorry...what? The sexiness of disapproving Kaidan totally distracted me...

...Oh, ah, wait. Dragon Age? Um...Needs more Alistair as far as I can see, having played all of five minutes of it.

Be prepared

[sesheta255]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

...I'm sorry...what? The sexiness of disapproving Kaidan totally distracted me...

...Oh, ah, wait. Dragon Age? Um...Needs more Alistair as far as I can see, having played all of five minutes of it.

Yeah I really missed not having him in my party - they tried to make Anders into another Alistair.  and it may be just me but there were a few random characters that looked like him - one in particular but with dark hair.  either the designers got lazy or Maric really got around

[Star]

sapphyreelf wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I need a Kaidan hug. *sniffles*

Thanks Fort!
*takes Kabby's hug too for good measure*

I'm going to go get some dinner, try not to cry over the stupid ending I just got, and then maybe go shoot Geth in the face while staring at Lt. Alenko's backside.

*hugs*  Sounds like it's definitely time for Kaiden pics.

Haven't finished DA:A yet but I'm beginning to dread the ending.    *Sigh*  I just don't understand why Bioware is so resistant to the idea of a happy ending. It's like somehow they're all channeling Chris Avellone and conveniently ignoring the fact that Obsidian Entertainment makes very crappy and incomplete games (although I do have a soft spot for KoTOR2)  not the least because they seem to think games should be angsty, dark and end ambiguously or unhappily.  *grumble grumble*

[Star]

sesheta255 wrote...

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

...I'm sorry...what? The sexiness of disapproving Kaidan totally distracted me...

...Oh, ah, wait. Dragon Age? Um...Needs more Alistair as far as I can see, having played all of five minutes of it.

Yeah I really missed not having him in my party - they tried to make Anders into another Alistair.  and it may be just me but there were a few random characters that looked like him - one in particular but with dark hair.  either the designers got lazy or Maric really got around

Yeah there have been a number of Alistair lookalikes.  I also wondered if the no-romance decision was last minute.  I noticed that Anders character bar, when at the top is "love" while everyone else's seems to be "friendly".

Modifié par Star58, 20 mars 2010 - 12:30 .

[Kabraxal]

Star58 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I need a Kaidan hug. *sniffles*

Thanks Fort!
*takes Kabby's hug too for good measure*

I'm going to go get some dinner, try not to cry over the stupid ending I just got, and then maybe go shoot Geth in the face while staring at Lt. Alenko's backside.

*hugs*  Sounds like it's definitely time for Kaiden pics.

Haven't finished DA:A yet but I'm beginning to dread the ending.    *Sigh*  I just don't understand why Bioware is so resistant to the idea of a happy ending. It's like somehow they're all channeling Chris Avellone and conveniently ignoring the fact that Obsidian Entertainment makes very crappy and incomplete games (although I do have a soft spot for KoTOR2)  not the least because they seem to think games should be angsty, dark and end ambiguously or unhappily.  *grumble grumble*

In a game based off CHOICE, they need happy endings, bittersweet endings, horrible endings... there is no excuse to have any end, story or character based, be only one theme.  It is why I hate Viconia's romance and why I most likely will hate what they do with Morrigan.  Too many writers are trapped in that horrible mindset that contrived tragedy makes a story great.  It doesn't... it just makes it tragically contrived.

[sapphyreelf]

Shep: *hugs Kaidan tightly*
Kaidan: *tries to step away after a long moment, finds Shep is still holding tight* Uhm, Shepard. Can you let go?
Shep: Not going to happen. They'll try to steal you away from me!

[Kabraxal]

sapphyreelf wrote...



Shep: *hugs Kaidan tightly*
Kaidan: *tries to step away after a long moment, finds Shep is still holding tight* Uhm, Shepard. Can you let go?
Shep: Not going to happen. They'll try to steal you away from me!

Awww... so cute.

I'm sure BW has changed those plans after looking in this thread.  An army of angry Kaidan girls... yeah, they don't want to mess with that! 

[archonambroseus]

Haven't gotten far in DA:A yet, but I certainly can't recall any recent BioWare games where you're stiff-armed into tragedy. Care to be more specific?

[BloodyTemplar]

Kabraxal wrote...

The same thing has happened with the EU in Star Wars too.  The Legacy of the Force saga effectively split the fanbase and many, many long time fans no longer recognise the canonicity of much of the EU because of it.

That's why I love the Star Wars Legacy comics.  They're set far enough in the future that they can pretty much ignore a lot of the EU AND the prequels.   Plus, I have a son named Cade, so Cade Skywalker is okay in my book.

The KOTOR comics also have that in spades.

[Mrs Templar]

archonambroseus wrote...

Haven't gotten far in DA:A yet, but I certainly can't recall any recent BioWare games where you're stiff-armed into tragedy. Care to be more specific?

Well in DA:O if you are a female and your LI is Alistair either:
1) Your warden dies
2) Your LI Alistair dies
3) Your LI Alistair becomes a drunk and leaves you b/c you chose to not kill Loghain
4) You force your LI Alistair to sleep with the woman he despises in order to produce BW's version of Rosemary's Baby

Not exactly happy endings 

[Sialater]

BloodyTemplar wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

The same thing has happened with the EU in Star Wars too.  The Legacy of the Force saga effectively split the fanbase and many, many long time fans no longer recognise the canonicity of much of the EU because of it.

That's why I love the Star Wars Legacy comics.  They're set far enough in the future that they can pretty much ignore a lot of the EU AND the prequels.   Plus, I have a son named Cade, so Cade Skywalker is okay in my book.

The KOTOR comics also have that in spades.

YOU are definitely never allowed to meet my husband.  That name is his #2 favorite.

[Star]

Kabraxal wrote...

Star58 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I need a Kaidan hug. *sniffles*

Thanks Fort!
*takes Kabby's hug too for good measure*

I'm going to go get some dinner, try not to cry over the stupid ending I just got, and then maybe go shoot Geth in the face while staring at Lt. Alenko's backside.

*hugs*  Sounds like it's definitely time for Kaiden pics.

Haven't finished DA:A yet but I'm beginning to dread the ending.    *Sigh*  I just don't understand why Bioware is so resistant to the idea of a happy ending. It's like somehow they're all channeling Chris Avellone and conveniently ignoring the fact that Obsidian Entertainment makes very crappy and incomplete games (although I do have a soft spot for KoTOR2)  not the least because they seem to think games should be angsty, dark and end ambiguously or unhappily.  *grumble grumble*

In a game based off CHOICE, they need happy endings, bittersweet endings, horrible endings... there is no excuse to have any end, story or character based, be only one theme.  It is why I hate Viconia's romance and why I most likely will hate what they do with Morrigan.  Too many writers are trapped in that horrible mindset that contrived tragedy makes a story great.  It doesn't... it just makes it tragically contrived.

I couldn't agree more.  That's what has been one of the larger problems with Obsidian's games.  They seem to think tragedy = great story.  NWN2 - rocks crashing down and killing your entire party....no thanks!

[archonambroseus]

Mrs Templar wrote...

archonambroseus wrote...

Haven't gotten far in DA:A yet, but I certainly can't recall any recent BioWare games where you're stiff-armed into tragedy. Care to be more specific?

Well in DA:O if you are a female and your LI is Alistair either:
1) Your warden dies
2) Your LI Alistair dies
3) Your LI Alistair becomes a drunk and leaves you b/c you chose to not kill Loghain
4) You force your LI Alistair to sleep with the woman he despises in order to produce BW's version of Rosemary's Baby

Not exactly happy endings 

So there's no entirely happy ending for one of the four possible romance options?  I can live with that.  Plus the results of #4 are so ambiguous at this point that I don't think it qualifies for "tragedy."  Especially if the PC is male and can take the bullet for Al.

[Kabraxal]

Never play NWN2... because I heard of that. Still, the worst offender in recent memory is down to Gears of War 2 or Infamous. I'm thinking Infamous since it makes no sense given the twist at the end... I broke my controller and a glass door over that BS. A first for me..........

[archonambroseus]

Star58 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

In a game
based off CHOICE, they need happy endings, bittersweet endings, horrible
endings... there is no excuse to have any end, story or character
based, be only one theme.  It is why I hate Viconia's romance and why I
most likely will hate what they do with Morrigan.  Too many writers are
trapped in that horrible mindset that contrived tragedy makes a story
great.  It doesn't... it just makes it tragically contrived.

Icouldn't agree more.  That's what has been one of the larger problems
with Obsidian's games.  They seem to think tragedy = great story.  NWN2 -
rocks crashing down and killing your entire party....no thanks!

Yeah, between the ending and the horribly contrived, cringe-worthy, ham-fisted, vomit-inducing Shandra Jarro storyline, I pretty much lost all faith that Obsidian will ever be able to produce a quality story arc.  That s*** was just insulting.

Modifié par archonambroseus, 20 mars 2010 - 12:57 .

[Kabraxal]

archonambroseus wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

archonambroseus wrote...

Haven't gotten far in DA:A yet, but I certainly can't recall any recent BioWare games where you're stiff-armed into tragedy. Care to be more specific?

Well in DA:O if you are a female and your LI is Alistair either:
1) Your warden dies
2) Your LI Alistair dies
3) Your LI Alistair becomes a drunk and leaves you b/c you chose to not kill Loghain
4) You force your LI Alistair to sleep with the woman he despises in order to produce BW's version of Rosemary's Baby

Not exactly happy endings 

So there's no entirely happy ending for one of the four possible romance options?  I can live with that.  Plus the results of #4 are so ambiguous at this point that I don't think it qualifies for "tragedy."  Especially if the PC is male and can take the bullet for Al.

Leliana and Zevran have happy and sad endings.  And that is how it should be.  Alistair's is fine, though having to sleep with Morrigan does dampen it somewhat.  Morrigan is shaping up like Viconia... to which I simply roll my eyes in disgust.

[sesheta255]

Well I'm off - I feel the need for some Alistair & Kaidan love so I'm going to go & replay DAO & ME again to wipe the ending dialogue box of awakenings from my mind.

[Kabraxal]

sesheta255 wrote...

Well I'm off - I feel the need for some Alistair & Kaidan love so I'm going to go & replay DAO & ME again to wipe the ending dialogue box of awakenings from my mind.

Have fun!

[syllogi]

archonambroseus wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

archonambroseus wrote...

Haven't gotten far in DA:A yet, but I certainly can't recall any recent BioWare games where you're stiff-armed into tragedy. Care to be more specific?

Well in DA:O if you are a female and your LI is Alistair either:
1) Your warden dies
2) Your LI Alistair dies
3) Your LI Alistair becomes a drunk and leaves you b/c you chose to not kill Loghain
4) You force your LI Alistair to sleep with the woman he despises in order to produce BW's version of Rosemary's Baby

Not exactly happy endings 

So there's no entirely happy ending for one of the four possible romance options?  I can live with that.  Plus the results of #4 are so ambiguous at this point that I don't think it qualifies for "tragedy."  Especially if the PC is male and can take the bullet for Al.

As for option #4, they basically used ROCKS FALL, EVERYONE DIES to negate it in Awakening.  If your LI is Morrigan, there are even fewer choices, and none of them include staying with the woman you love.  Zevran and Leliana can have happy endings, but be prepared to have whatever happiness you may think you have with them crushed in the next expansion or DA2.  Happiness isn't edgy or cool or emotionally engaging, according to Bioware.

[Kabraxal]

TeenZombie wrote...

archonambroseus wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

archonambroseus wrote...

Haven't gotten far in DA:A yet, but I certainly can't recall any recent BioWare games where you're stiff-armed into tragedy. Care to be more specific?

Well in DA:O if you are a female and your LI is Alistair either:
1) Your warden dies
2) Your LI Alistair dies
3) Your LI Alistair becomes a drunk and leaves you b/c you chose to not kill Loghain
4) You force your LI Alistair to sleep with the woman he despises in order to produce BW's version of Rosemary's Baby

Not exactly happy endings 

So there's no entirely happy ending for one of the four possible romance options?  I can live with that.  Plus the results of #4 are so ambiguous at this point that I don't think it qualifies for "tragedy."  Especially if the PC is male and can take the bullet for Al.

As for option #4, they basically used ROCKS FALL, EVERYONE DIES to negate it in Awakening.  If your LI is Morrigan, there are even fewer choices, and none of them include staying with the woman you love.  Zevran and Leliana can have happy endings, but be prepared to have whatever happiness you may think you have with them crushed in the next expansion or DA2.  Happiness isn't edgy or cool or emotionally engaging, according to Bioware.

At least PC gamers can mod the story to ignore the trash Bioware has written already!