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[Joisan]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

Her little smile as she leans down and holds out her hand makes me so happy.

So, new topic! How would you like Bioware to reintroduce Kaidan in ME3? 

I would love it if after ~dramatic opening cut scene~ we're in a briefing with Anderson/Council/Udina ew I guess if you appointed him and they've finally decided to support you against the Reapers, or at least to not air quote "Reapers" at you anymore. The meeting is wrapping up, you're about ready to go and then! Annoucement! They'll be sending someone along to keep an eye on you, because no matter what you say, your activities in ME2 are questionable enough to make them question your loyalty (if he's there, Turian Councilor says something snarky). Door slides open and ta da! Commander Alenko! Your heart pounds! Squee! Curt, professional greetings are exchanged between Shep and Alenko, but those of us who romanced him get an extra look exchanged between the two of them that says there's lots of delicious angst and relationship problems to resolve - but he still loves you and he wants to make things work.

Of course not sure what would happen instead if you let TIM have the base.

I just hope we get to have Kaidan early on in the game, so that the relationship resolution isn't just "I'm sorry." "Me too." *smooch & sexy times* right before the final showdown.

I thought that sad look on her face after the bomb goes off was awesome.  One of those moments where body language and facial expressions are worth a thousand words.

I would do for something along those lines.  That extra look would just make me melt inside.

I could also see it going something like this:  Suitably epic opening sequence and tutorial level that introduces us to the story of ME3.  Afterwards we go back to the Citadel, perhaps in one last (probably futile) attempt to get the Council on our side against the Reapers.  On your way back to the Normandy to start recruiting allies against the Reapers, you run into Kaidan, who says something along the lines of, "I'm coming with you.  No way I'm letting you go up against the Reapers alone."

Modifié par Joisan, 23 février 2010 - 02:26 .

[Doug84]

And I'm back properly. Did I miss alot of gutter talk whilst I was away?[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

Nhani wrote...
I'll admit I love that moment, it has a whole lot of acting to it beyond just the carrying - there's the whole "Hey, you still with me?" look when she first leans down towards him, and then helping him up and then finally deciding they need due haste just picking him up.

Her little smile as she leans down and holds out her hand makes me so happy.

So, new topic! How would you like Bioware to reintroduce Kaidan in ME3? 

I would love it if after ~dramatic opening cut scene~ we're in a briefing with Anderson/Council/Udina ew I guess if you appointed him and they've finally decided to support you against the Reapers, or at least to not air quote "Reapers" at you anymore. The meeting is wrapping up, you're about ready to go and then! Annoucement! They'll be sending someone along to keep an eye on you, because no matter what you say, your activities in ME2 are questionable enough to make them question your loyalty (if he's there, Turian Councilor says something snarky). Door slides open and ta da! Commander Alenko! Your heart pounds! Squee! Curt, professional greetings are exchanged between Shep and Alenko, but those of us who romanced him get an extra look exchanged between the two of them that says there's lots of delicious angst and relationship problems to resolve - but he still loves you and he wants to make things work.

Of course not sure what would happen instead if you let TIM have the base.

I just hope we get to have Kaidan early on in the game, so that the relationship resolution isn't just "I'm sorry." "Me too." *smooch & sexy times* right before the final showdown.

I think it'll actually be something crazy - like the Council don't believe Shep is building up the alliances to fight the reapers - they believe s/he's doing to be Saren v2.0. I mean, Geth AND Krogan? Who does that remind you of? 

And so Kaidan/Ash will be sent after you to find out if your are crazy and planning to invade the citadel or not. And you'll be able to win over s/he whilst they are pointing a gun at you. Thats how I see it happening, anyways.

[MICHELLE7]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

Nhani wrote...
I'll admit I love that moment, it has a whole lot of acting to it beyond just the carrying - there's the whole "Hey, you still with me?" look when she first leans down towards him, and then helping him up and then finally deciding they need due haste just picking him up.

Her little smile as she leans down and holds out her hand makes me so happy.

So, new topic! How would you like Bioware to reintroduce Kaidan in ME3? 

I would love it if after ~dramatic opening cut scene~ we're in a briefing with Anderson/Council/Udina ew I guess if you appointed him and they've finally decided to support you against the Reapers, or at least to not air quote "Reapers" at you anymore. The meeting is wrapping up, you're about ready to go and then! Annoucement! They'll be sending someone along to keep an eye on you, because no matter what you say, your activities in ME2 are questionable enough to make them question your loyalty (if he's there, Turian Councilor says something snarky). Door slides open and ta da! Commander Alenko! Your heart pounds! Squee! Curt, professional greetings are exchanged between Shep and Alenko, but those of us who romanced him get an extra look exchanged between the two of them that says there's lots of delicious angst and relationship problems to resolve - but he still loves you and he wants to make things work.

Of course not sure what would happen instead if you let TIM have the base.

I just hope we get to have Kaidan early on in the game, so that the relationship resolution isn't just "I'm sorry." "Me too." *smooch & sexy times* right before the final showdown.

I was kind of thinking along the lines of quest related(one of my odd fanfic ideas). That this time we actually get a main quest related mission where we run into Kaidan(who's also on a mission there) and in the end(of said mission) the only 'Off' the planet he has is on the New Normandy. Tension and interchanges throughout the mission.

Maybe then we'll get that talk between the two of them we've been waiting for and Kaidan will wind up staying on the Normandy(either choosing to go with Shep or convincing the Alliance that it would be a good way to keep them informed as to what is going on).

[crimsonrhodelia]

Doug84 wrote...
I think it'll actually be something crazy - like the Council don't believe Shep is building up the alliances to fight the reapers - they believe s/he's doing to be Saren v2.0. I mean, Geth AND Krogan? Who does that remind you of? 

And so Kaidan/Ash will be sent after you to find out if your are crazy and planning to invade the citadel or not. And you'll be able to win over s/he whilst they are pointing a gun at you. Thats how I see it happening, anyways.

I read that thread about essentially this a while ago, thought it was very insightful and it would be pretty awesome if they took it in that direction! But...I want Kaidan on my squad ASAP, I don't want to have to convince him to join me at gunpoint! Maybe the Council can just send Blasto after you instead.

ETA: Rallying the Rachni too, if you saved the Queen!

Modifié par crimsonrhodelia, 23 février 2010 - 02:27 .

[Isaantia]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

Morning, everyone! Jho, love the new av! I also love that they didn't change the Kaidan rescuing thing for femsheps. It is maybe a little silly but it's such an awesome girl power moment. "Damnit, Alenko! I'm NOT leaving you behind! *hoist*"

A screen shot of that was my wallpaper for months. It was awesome on so many levels.

[Doug84]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

Doug84 wrote...
I think it'll actually be something crazy - like the Council don't believe Shep is building up the alliances to fight the reapers - they believe s/he's doing to be Saren v2.0. I mean, Geth AND Krogan? Who does that remind you of? 

And so Kaidan/Ash will be sent after you to find out if your are crazy and planning to invade the citadel or not. And you'll be able to win over s/he whilst they are pointing a gun at you. Thats how I see it happening, anyways.

I read that thread about essentially this a while ago, thought it was very insightful and it would be pretty awesome if they took it in that direction! But...I want Kaidan on my squad ASAP, I don't want to have to convince him to join me at gunpoint! Maybe the Council can just send Blasto after you instead.

ETA: Rallying the Rachni too, if you saved the Queen!

About the Rachni: Well, yes, but I think the council will take more notice of Geth and Krogan and think "We've seen this pattern before..." - hell, if you got paragon on Mordin, you have a nearly complete genophage cure too!

And maybe you can rescue Kaidan/Ash from some sort of bad situation, like a slaver raid, or possibly the first assault by reaper indocrated slaves?

[sapphyreelf]

I think my poor Shep would become very defeated if Kaidan held her at gunpoint convinced still she was up to no good. It would be like "Just roll the Critical Mission Failure and let the Reapers win". It would be good angst drama though.

[Doug84]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think my poor Shep would become very defeated if Kaidan held her at gunpoint convinced still she was up to no good. It would be like "Just roll the Critical Mission Failure and let the Reapers win". It would be good angst drama though.

Hey, if Shep can talk down an angry krogan with a shotgun pointed at him, methinks he can talk down Kaidan/Ash - especially as I DIDN'T say they where convinced you where up to no good - the Council probably is, but they always are.

[Doug84]

Jhosephine wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Well.... he does get to look at one thing in that position.....

Don't think it will ever cross his mind, he's too 'worried' about where her arm and hand are at while she carries him, I'm sure.

Talk about finding the silver lining in a  hilarious scene lol

You mean, incase she knocked his helmet? :innocent:

[Nhani]

Doug84 wrote...
I think it'll actually be something crazy - like the Council don't believe Shep is building up the alliances to fight the reapers - they believe s/he's doing to be Saren v2.0. I mean, Geth AND Krogan? Who does that remind you of? 

And so Kaidan/Ash will be sent after you to find out if your are crazy and planning to invade the citadel or not. And you'll be able to win over s/he whilst they are pointing a gun at you. Thats how I see it happening, anyways.

I'd love for the first encounter to be a surprise - having it happen in the first half of the game rather than the latter would be preferable, but I'd love to go "Omg Kaidan!" at first sight. I don't mind the first encounter being conflicted, though I'd want to step up to sorting things out fairly swiftly post that.

I actually have a whole lot of various scenarios bouncing around my head, most of which involve either one pulling the other out of the fire, either literally or diplomatically. I can just as well picture Kate doing a repeat of Virmire by dragging him off to safety amidst a firefight as I can see him showing up suddenly during a frustrated session with the Council to go "Shepard is right. We have evidence."

There's a whole world of possibilities how it could be handled, and I really couldn't tell you which one is my favorite of them. I'd want one that feels like it carries emotional weight - like it matters, like it is a key moment for Shepard. I'd want it to be sudden, I think, with space for subtle surprise and acting that can be expanded on later. I wouldn't mind it being an opportunity to let Shepard show a little frailty; that it's been tough on her too.

I actually don't mind if it baits the scene just a little - a bit of the reverse of Horizon in a sense; that it starts tense and uncertain and then breaks into heartfelt. I'd be an interesting reversal, like that.

[Sialater]

Shepard's sort of becoming Saren, especially if you kept the genophage research to yourself, you spared the rachni, you have the geth -- whether you rewrote them or not, you have an Asari Matriarch (Samara) on your side. I could see the Virmire Survivor confronting you on those similarities and you have to talk them over to your way of thinking. Hopefully, it won't be too tough a persuade...

[Doug84]

Sialater wrote...

Shepard's sort of becoming Saren, especially if you kept the genophage research to yourself, you spared the rachni, you have the geth -- whether you rewrote them or not, you have an Asari Matriarch (Samara) on your side. I could see the Virmire Survivor confronting you on those similarities and you have to talk them over to your way of thinking. Hopefully, it won't be too tough a persuade...

Indeedie...

I've just had a nasty thought... what if you have another 'Wrex' situation - where if you don't convince your virmire survivor that your not a threat to galactic security, s/he gets shoot by one of the new crew to stop you from being killed too...

[RedNanaki]

Doug84 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think my poor Shep would become very defeated if Kaidan held her at gunpoint convinced still she was up to no good. It would be like "Just roll the Critical Mission Failure and let the Reapers win". It would be good angst drama though.

Hey, if Shep can talk down an angry krogan with a shotgun pointed at him, methinks he can talk down Kaidan/Ash - especially as I DIDN'T say they where convinced you where up to no good - the Council probably is, but they always are.

Like someone posted in the CSI spoof thread...
"The best part about being a Spectre isn't stopping the Reapers from returning, it's showing everyone on the Council that I did."

As long as they play some part in the story I'm happy, really, we can't expect too much. the game isn't going to revolve around Shep and chosen LI, but we're entitled to something after enduring ME2!

With too high expectations we risk what happened to Fable. The cooky (or dreamy if you prefer) Peter Molyneux basically said we were getting the ultimate RPG experience, but all we got was a decent RPG, which wasn't good enough in comparison to his promises! The game was fine, but it didn't meet expectations. But I have more faith in BioWare than Molyneux.
Here's to an excellent final entry in the Mass Effect trilogy, preferably with muchos Kaidan.

Modifié par RedNanaki, 23 février 2010 - 03:08 .

[Jhourney]

While I would like the first meeting in ME3 with Kaidan to be a surprise, I'm hoping it won't be on some rescue attempt. If there is going to be rescuing, I would want Kaidan to do the rescueing for once...but that's not likely to happen.



Just want Bioware to give the finger (in a way) to those calling Kaidan a useless wimp, who just whines about headaches and who they blew up on Virmire asap. Just some heroic Kaidan moment, showing his strength in full force. Biotics flaring, no holding back, powerful Kaidan!

[MICHELLE7]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think my poor Shep would become very defeated if Kaidan held her at gunpoint convinced still she was up to no good. It would be like "Just roll the Critical Mission Failure and let the Reapers win". It would be good angst drama though.

I think Kaidan pretty much said in the email that he does trust her...or that's what I got out of it. I think that there are other issues he's dealing with and they have more to do with him than they have to do with Shep. He just needs a little time. I don't see him ever holding Shep and gunpoint. 

[Joisan]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think my poor Shep would become very defeated if Kaidan held her at gunpoint convinced still she was up to no good. It would be like "Just roll the Critical Mission Failure and let the Reapers win". It would be good angst drama though.

I think Kaidan pretty much said in the email that he does trust her...or that's what I got out of it. I think that there are other issues he's dealing with and they have more to do with him than they have to do with Shep. He just needs a little time. I don't see him ever holding Shep and gunpoint. 

I think a part of Kaidan still doubts a little bit whether Shepard still holds to the same ideals she professed in ME1 (this particularly makes sense for paragon characters) but I agree that most of it is simply Kaidan needs time to emotionally process the fact that she's really, truly, alive.  I mean, could you imagine if something like this happened in real life?  I can.  I don't know what the heck I would think if I had found out two years after my brother died that he was actually alive.  And if I found out that not only was he alive but he was with... oh, say, Al Quaida... well, let's just say that when I think about it that way, Horizon actually seems like a fairly logical reaction.

[Doug84]

Shavon wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Also, since Thane is a lizard thing, doesn't that mean he has a cloaca?

I've shared this theory with others, but they kind of just ignore it when I do.....

Now that I know what a cloaca is . . .

Um, I'll be playing my Kaidanmance games for awhile O_o

Although, I assume evolution would have taken care of that, since animals who enjoy sex tend to be more relationship oriented, as are turians and drell, but, who knows?  That image is still in my head -.-

Well, its not worth thinking too deeply on the matter, cus then you end up hitting some of the fundamental barriers of the ME universe and most sci-fi in general.

i.e. Bipedal aliens who look just like us are unlikely; oxygen breathing and/or the percentage of oxygen is likely to vary wildy between species; etc, etc.

[MICHELLE7]

Joisan wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think my poor Shep would become very defeated if Kaidan held her at gunpoint convinced still she was up to no good. It would be like "Just roll the Critical Mission Failure and let the Reapers win". It would be good angst drama though.

I think Kaidan pretty much said in the email that he does trust her...or that's what I got out of it. I think that there are other issues he's dealing with and they have more to do with him than they have to do with Shep. He just needs a little time. I don't see him ever holding Shep and gunpoint. 

I think a part of Kaidan still doubts a little bit whether Shepard still holds to the same ideals she professed in ME1 (this particularly makes sense for paragon characters) but I agree that most of it is simply Kaidan needs time to emotionally process the fact that she's really, truly, alive.  I mean, could you imagine if something like this happened in real life?  I can.  I don't know what the heck I would think if I had found out two years after my brother died that he was actually alive.  And if I found out that not only was he alive but he was with... oh, say, Al Quaida... well, let's just say that when I think about it that way, Horizon actually seems like a fairly logical reaction.

Agreed...simply put I would say he's in shock.

[Doug84]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Joisan wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think my poor Shep would become very defeated if Kaidan held her at gunpoint convinced still she was up to no good. It would be like "Just roll the Critical Mission Failure and let the Reapers win". It would be good angst drama though.

I think Kaidan pretty much said in the email that he does trust her...or that's what I got out of it. I think that there are other issues he's dealing with and they have more to do with him than they have to do with Shep. He just needs a little time. I don't see him ever holding Shep and gunpoint. 

I think a part of Kaidan still doubts a little bit whether Shepard still holds to the same ideals she professed in ME1 (this particularly makes sense for paragon characters) but I agree that most of it is simply Kaidan needs time to emotionally process the fact that she's really, truly, alive.  I mean, could you imagine if something like this happened in real life?  I can.  I don't know what the heck I would think if I had found out two years after my brother died that he was actually alive.  And if I found out that not only was he alive but he was with... oh, say, Al Quaida... well, let's just say that when I think about it that way, Horizon actually seems like a fairly logical reaction.

Agreed...simply put I would say he's in shock.

Yup, agreed.

And this is why I think Kaidan would be able to force himself to point a gun at Shep and demand an explaination for the alliances. I mean, he and/or Ash might have been convinced that the Reapers were a lie of Sarens (though I doubt it - especially if they came with you to Ilos) and so Shep would have to convince them that he was geninuely helping the Galaxy.

Or one of the crew could shoot him/her like Ash could have done to Wrex (but my smoothed tongued paraSheps never had to face that ).

[Jhourney]

If there was ever a character deserving of a happy ending it's Kaidan. What an emotional rollercoaster he must have been on for all those years. Such pain and sorrow, anger and confusion.

I hope his dialogue in ME3 will reflect it, and that Shepard will show her emotions as well. *crosses fingers*

[Joisan]

Jhosephine wrote...

If there was ever a character deserving of a happy ending it's Kaidan. What an emotional rollercoaster he must have been on for all those years. Such pain and sorrow, anger and confusion.
I hope his dialogue in ME3 will reflect it, and that Shepard will show her emotions as well. *crosses fingers*

I'll join you in keeping my fingers crossed.

[Sialater]

Doug84 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Shepard's sort of becoming Saren, especially if you kept the genophage research to yourself, you spared the rachni, you have the geth -- whether you rewrote them or not, you have an Asari Matriarch (Samara) on your side. I could see the Virmire Survivor confronting you on those similarities and you have to talk them over to your way of thinking. Hopefully, it won't be too tough a persuade...

Indeedie...

I've just had a nasty thought... what if you have another 'Wrex' situation - where if you don't convince your virmire survivor that your not a threat to galactic security, s/he gets shoot by one of the new crew to stop you from being killed too...

Bite your tongue.  Hard. 

I also wouldn't be surprised if they showed up and they're your replacement Spectre. 

[Doug84]

Sialater wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Shepard's sort of becoming Saren, especially if you kept the genophage research to yourself, you spared the rachni, you have the geth -- whether you rewrote them or not, you have an Asari Matriarch (Samara) on your side. I could see the Virmire Survivor confronting you on those similarities and you have to talk them over to your way of thinking. Hopefully, it won't be too tough a persuade...

Indeedie...

I've just had a nasty thought... what if you have another 'Wrex' situation - where if you don't convince your virmire survivor that your not a threat to galactic security, s/he gets shoot by one of the new crew to stop you from being killed too...

Bite your tongue.  Hard. 

I also wouldn't be surprised if they showed up and they're your replacement Spectre. 

Hehe, fair enough - though I'm not sure about the Spectre thing - Kaidan would probably go for it, but Ash...well, she's loyal to the Alliance, not the council... And Kaidan didn't seem a big fan of the council either "Their ignoring the writing on the wall" I think he said at one point.

[crimsonrhodelia]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think my poor Shep would become very defeated if Kaidan held her at gunpoint convinced still she was up to no good. It would be like "Just roll the Critical Mission Failure and let the Reapers win". It would be good angst drama though.

I think Kaidan pretty much said in the email that he does trust her...or that's what I got out of it. I think that there are other issues he's dealing with and they have more to do with him than they have to do with Shep. He just needs a little time. I don't see him ever holding Shep and gunpoint. 

I agree with this completely. I felt that Kaidan had gotten over the initial incredible shock of seeing Shep and had had the time he needed to give everything some rational thought. Regarding the trust issue, to me, the e-mail said "You must have a reason for what you're doing. Be careful, come back to me and we'll work things out - if you want to, that is", because of course he always has to leave himself a way out. He does trust her, but he needs to adjust to the idea of her not being dead after all. He'll do that in the time that Shep is away preparing for the suicide mission; when she's done, they'll figure out where they stand with each other.

ETA: Boss came in, had to x out, and in the time it took for me to retype, everyone pretty much said what I thought too!

Doug84 wrote...
Hehe, fair enough - though I'm not sure about
the Spectre thing - Kaidan would probably go for it, but Ash...well,
she's loyal to the Alliance, not the council... And Kaidan didn't seem
a big fan of the council either "Their ignoring the writing on the
wall" I think he said at one point.

That, and "You bastard! You sold us out!"  I hope Udina gets some sort of comeuppance in ME3.

Modifié par crimsonrhodelia, 23 février 2010 - 03:37 .