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fortunesque wrote...

It'll turn down if you choose a dialogue option that initiates a romance as well. It's a good indicator if you're a little iffy after you talked to Jacob and want to know if you accidentally went too far.


I figured as much.  I just thought it was more interesting to imagine Shepard turning it face down because she feels guilty about cheating and doesn't want Kaidan's photo watching.

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fortunesque wrote...

Joisan wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

I did try the Thane romance in ME2 but felt so guilty when I went to Sheps cabin & saw Kaidan's photo face down that I deleted the whole game, lol.


Wait, the photo gets turned face down if you cheat on your ME1 love interest?

Oh my gosh, that is awesome!

I imagined it happening a little something like this: Shepard and the new LI are about to do the deed, but before they start smooching, Shepard pads quietly over to the desk and turns over Kaidan's photo.  She doesn't want to feel like he's watching disapprovingly what's about to happen.


It'll turn down if you choose a dialogue option that initiates a romance as well. It's a good indicator if you're a little iffy after you talked to Jacob and want to know if you accidentally went too far.

lol.  Yeah I lost count of the number of times I went back to the cabin to check Kaidan's photo in my first playthrough after talking to anyone that was a possible LI.

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sesheta255 wrote...

lol.  Yeah I lost count of the number of times I went back to the cabin to check Kaidan's photo in my first playthrough after talking to anyone that was a possible LI.


I did this too. Considering how flirtatious Shep sound when only taking to Jacob I ran up more than once to check that I had not accidentally triggered the rommance.

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On the topic of Thane i think the whole "siha" part is quite clever. It's something that illustrates how different you really are (humans and drell) with different morals and different world views. For all we know it could be a real honor and something really special to be nicknamed after your dead wife (:x) in the culture he grew up in. But it's something that clashes with the human way of thinking of what's appropriate and not ( or it just feels akward and really strange).



In my opinion I think making a cross-race relationship easy and unproblematic is really simplistic. If people on earth have problems dating because of different world views (religious for example) I imagine it being _really_ difficult for different alien races to date. Of course Bioware can just apply human morals to everything in Mass effect. I just think it would be so much more interesting if you got to experience how different everyone really are and what you have to overcome (this could apply to uniting all different races too).



In this sense, Jacob is just really stupid.




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and good morning everyone :)

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taigin wrote...
For all we know it could be a real honor and something really special to be nicknamed after your dead wife (:x) in the culture he grew up in.

Yes, but this isn't a really culture we're talking about. It's fictional. And Thane was built from the ground up as a love interest...I don't think many people like to hear people speak glowingly of an ex or dead lover especially in a relationship.

I just think it would be so much more interesting if you got to experience how different everyone really are and what you have to overcome (this could apply to uniting all different races too).

Well, all of the alien romances except for Liara have something like that. Thane has those flashbacks, Kepral's disease (something that kills a lot of Drell) and his spirtuality/philosophy. Garrus makes a point that he's not really attracted to humans, but makes an exception for shepard. Tali has a weak immune system. All of them present complications for intimacy.

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taigin wrote...
For all we know it could be a real honor and something really special to be nicknamed after your dead wife (:x) in the culture he grew up in.


I already tried to make the point before, but he doesn't nickname you after his dead wife. When you ask him what "siha" means, he describes it as a fierce warrior angel of the goddess Arashu, and that he's met two such people. That doesn't mean he called his wife "siha." It does imply that you're very much like his wife, but then Kaidan implies that you're like Rahna.

Somewhere in the galaxy, some guy is trying to romance a girl by describing how she's like this Commander Shepard he once knew... Yeah, that line really shouldn't work.

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Collider wrote...

Yes, but this isn't a really culture we're talking about. It's fictional. And Thane was built from the ground up as a love interest...I don't think many people like to hear people speak glowingly of an ex or dead lover especially in a relationship.
Well, all of the alien romances except for Liara have something like that. Thane has those flashbacks, Kepral's disease (something that kills a lot of Drell) and his spirtuality/philosophy. Garrus makes a point that he's not really attracted to humans, but makes an exception for shepard. Tali has a weak immune system. All of them present complications for intimacy.

 

Yes, I know it's fiction. I'm just saying it would be an interesting approach to a love interest (or just trying to cooperate with a character). I'm just making wishful thoughts really. I honestly don't think it's place for the plot of the game to dwell on such things and explore them in depth. It's just a nice touch. And yes, they do show that the different races are different by the examples you gave. I'm guessing the one i'm looking for is on a deeper level where your morals and philosophy clashes.
I actually think the "siha" part could apply to this difference as well. You say that "many people" might be put off by the way he talks about his wife, and those are humans with human morales. "Siha" is a part of his different philosophy and illustrates that you are different on many levels.

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Pacifien wrote...

taigin wrote...
For all we know it could be a real honor and something really special to be nicknamed after your dead wife (:x) in the culture he grew up in.


I already tried to make the point before, but he doesn't nickname you after his dead wife. When you ask him what "siha" means, he describes it as a fierce warrior angel of the goddess Arashu, and that he's met two such people. That doesn't mean he called his wife "siha." It does imply that you're very much like his wife, but then Kaidan implies that you're like Rahna.

Somewhere in the galaxy, some guy is trying to romance a girl by describing how she's like this Commander Shepard he once knew... Yeah, that line really shouldn't work.

Ah, well that makes it all different. I wanted to compare it with calling your partner "love" but i'm guessing "siha" is a more specific nickname (not that we have any great info about the drell society).

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sesheta255 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Joisan wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

I did try the Thane romance in ME2 but felt so guilty when I went to Sheps cabin & saw Kaidan's photo face down that I deleted the whole game, lol.


Wait, the photo gets turned face down if you cheat on your ME1 love interest?

Oh my gosh, that is awesome!

I imagined it happening a little something like this: Shepard and the new LI are about to do the deed, but before they start smooching, Shepard pads quietly over to the desk and turns over Kaidan's photo.  She doesn't want to feel like he's watching disapprovingly what's about to happen.


It'll turn down if you choose a dialogue option that initiates a romance as well. It's a good indicator if you're a little iffy after you talked to Jacob and want to know if you accidentally went too far.

lol.  Yeah I lost count of the number of times I went back to the cabin to check Kaidan's photo in my first playthrough after talking to anyone that was a possible LI.


Mind you the Jacob "romance" dialog is so blatant you don't really need the photo to know if you've gone too far. :wizard:

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Mind you the Jacob "romance" dialog is so blatant you don't really need the photo to know if you've gone too far. :wizard:


Well they all are really with the Thane I want you line & the Garrus  lets work of some stress line.  I guess hearing Shep talk in that skanky tone of voice to Jacob really made me paranoid, lolPosted Image

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Yeah the "I want you, Thane" thing was a bit on the nose.

I mean here Thane is going on about his past and you helped him with his son and blah blah blah and suddenly that's when you can tell him that?

Apparently Shep finds Carth Syndrome a turn on.

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Its just a shame I didn't think of youtube till after I tried the romance. I really have no interest in Thane, he creeps me out both in looks and with the memory thing. I was turned off Jacob just by the skanky voice, & Garrus is like my Shep's little brother so I didn't want to go there. Actually all of the LI options in ME2 strike me as a bit skanky of Shep. Unfortunately I didn't have an import from ME1 that didn't romance Kaidan, lol.

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sesheta255 wrote...

Its just a shame I didn't think of youtube till after I tried the romance. I really have no interest in Thane, he creeps me out both in looks and with the memory thing. I was turned off Jacob just by the skanky voice, & Garrus is like my Shep's little brother so I didn't want to go there. Actually all of the LI options in ME2 strike me as a bit skanky of Shep. Unfortunately I didn't have an import from ME1 that didn't romance Kaidan, lol.

I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad over this. Me2 didn't create any incentive to want to romance anyone beside Kaidan (felt the same way about the above description of Garrus and Jacob, Thane had the major flaw that he was dying). Though it might just be me playing through the game with the "stay faithful" in the back of my head, which makes me see the game and characters in a specific light. It might be worth playing through the game as single to see if my opinion about the Me2 LI's change.

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taigin wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

Its just a shame I didn't think of youtube till after I tried the romance. I really have no interest in Thane, he creeps me out both in looks and with the memory thing. I was turned off Jacob just by the skanky voice, & Garrus is like my Shep's little brother so I didn't want to go there. Actually all of the LI options in ME2 strike me as a bit skanky of Shep. Unfortunately I didn't have an import from ME1 that didn't romance Kaidan, lol.

I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad over this. Me2 didn't create any incentive to want to romance anyone beside Kaidan (felt the same way about the above description of Garrus and Jacob, Thane had the major flaw that he was dying). Though it might just be me playing through the game with the "stay faithful" in the back of my head, which makes me see the game and characters in a specific light. It might be worth playing through the game as single to see if my opinion about the Me2 LI's change.


I had a single Shepard reserved for ME2, to try the new LI's. It was a pain to keep her single in ME1, so I basically stayed away from Kaidan all together. Which I hated ;)
Single or not, I quickly dismissed a romance with Garrus (the best friend), soon followed by Jacob (the fling) and then turned my attention to Thane. Every part of me screamed  'NOT KAIDAN" as I tried romancing him. I thought I would love the Thane character and his smexy voice...but I didn't. I'm not into the whole dead wife drama romance anymore, it asks for patience I no longer have. So I rolled my eyes at all the tragedy and stopped playing that Shepard.
I prefer having a lonely, picture staring Shepard with a cameo by Kaidan over all the new LI's, and that tells me enough :)

Goodmorning btw :)

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*just noticed Winde made an appearance* YAY! We need moar Kaidan art! (without towels) Welcome back, Winde :)

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Hi Jho

I tried really hard to play through ME1 without romancing Kaidan on a number of occasions but I just couldn't do it, lol. I could never turn him renegade either. Even on my renegade sheploo playthrough I had no trouble being an ass to everyone else but couldn't bring myself to be mean to Kaidan - I am hopeless, lol

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sesheta255 wrote...

Hi Jho
I tried really hard to play through ME1 without romancing Kaidan on a number of occasions but I just couldn't do it, lol. I could never turn him renegade either. Even on my renegade sheploo playthrough I had no trouble being an ass to everyone else but couldn't bring myself to be mean to Kaidan - I am hopeless, lol


hehe..never did the renegade thing either. Oddly enough I tried to do so on Shepaloo but I just couldn't stomach his voice ;) Never had problems being all evil in KoToR, but ME? No. My poor Shep is a softy, a very butch softy :P

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Morning. I see there's was a discussion about this whole "siha" thing... I never had any "expanded" opinion about Thane, just told him "you still have your son, go take care of the good things you've got left". It's weird... Besides that he's a helpful squadmate, I don't really have ANY opinion of him...

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I think you all may want to converge on this thread and attack: :whistle:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/128/index/1553663

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Collider wrote...

I think you all may want to converge on this thread and attack: :whistle:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/128/index/1553663


Naw. It's a place for peeps going the "I nuked the whiner, yay Thane/Garrus" way. Why bother.

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Yeah, I'm not going to go run off there and attack, Collider. If the helpless masses want to believe Kaidain is a whiner, and he's so terrible for not kissing my arse the minute I returned to him on Horizon, then they deserve to miss out on the awesomeness that is Kaidan.

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Handled very maturely. The reason I come to this thread. Though you have to admit some of the reasons they state are shortsighted and unjustified.