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[The Angry One]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Ah, let the people in that thread have their opinions.
Then nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Aliens reference ftw 

I love that reference. IMO, there are many things that could be resolved from nuking it from orbit.

I use that line all the time, it's one of my favorites ever and so apt for any given situation.
Plus I always remember Michael Biehn saying it..

[Collider]

The Angry One wrote...

Collider wrote...

That makes me laugh. Rest assured, I wouldn't do anything Tali could possibly say. There is no one to punish in case of her father, he's already dead. I can at least allow the girl's family name not to be tarnished in addition to probable exile. Not to mention the entire trial is using Tali as a chess piece for the Admiral's own agenda.

There are various legitimate reasons to not hand in the evidence, sure.
But "lol it's Tali's mission you work for her!" ain't one of them. Seriously among some people it's the one time where suddenly it's the player and by extension Shep who's not allowed to have an opinion.

This is pretty much the case with all LI fans. You may find that Garrus fangirls are more likely to let Garrus kill Sidonis for example. A lot of people metagame their decisions. I don't, but I don't think anyone lesser for doing so -after all, it's just a video game and they have a different method of playing.

[sapphyreelf]

Collider wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Collider wrote...

That makes me laugh. Rest assured, I wouldn't do anything Tali could possibly say. There is no one to punish in case of her father, he's already dead. I can at least allow the girl's family name not to be tarnished in addition to probable exile. Not to mention the entire trial is using Tali as a chess piece for the Admiral's own agenda.

There are various legitimate reasons to not hand in the evidence, sure.
But "lol it's Tali's mission you work for her!" ain't one of them. Seriously among some people it's the one time where suddenly it's the player and by extension Shep who's not allowed to have an opinion.

This is pretty much the case with all LI fans. You may find that Garrus fangirls are more likely to let Garrus kill Sidonis for example. A lot of people metagame their decisions. I don't, but I don't think anyone lesser for doing so -after all, it's just a video game and they have a different method of playing.

I'm not sure if Garrus killing or not killing Sidonis is a good example. You can talk him out of killing Sidonis and still gain his loyalty. You can help center him and make him think of more than just vengeance. Giving or not giving the evidence to the Admirality Board, directly affects whether Tali is loyal. There is no talking the Board into not shredding her family apart. You either refuse to give the evidence and get her exonerated in the process, or refuse to give the evidence and get her exiled in the process. So long as her father's name stays clean, she doesn't care what happens to herself.

If you give the evidence over, you clear her name, but she's too distraught over her father being disgraced to be focused on the mission.

[Collider]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Collider wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Collider wrote...

That makes me laugh. Rest assured, I wouldn't do anything Tali could possibly say. There is no one to punish in case of her father, he's already dead. I can at least allow the girl's family name not to be tarnished in addition to probable exile. Not to mention the entire trial is using Tali as a chess piece for the Admiral's own agenda.

There are various legitimate reasons to not hand in the evidence, sure.
But "lol it's Tali's mission you work for her!" ain't one of them. Seriously among some people it's the one time where suddenly it's the player and by extension Shep who's not allowed to have an opinion.

This is pretty much the case with all LI fans. You may find that Garrus fangirls are more likely to let Garrus kill Sidonis for example. A lot of people metagame their decisions. I don't, but I don't think anyone lesser for doing so -after all, it's just a video game and they have a different method of playing.

I'm not sure if Garrus killing or not killing Sidonis is a good example. You can talk him out of killing Sidonis and still gain his loyalty.

Not really talking about loyalty in particular, but the fact Garrus wants to kill Sidonis in the first place. I would imagine than his fans may be more sympathetic to his wishes.

[sapphyreelf]

Yeah, but just because Garrus wants to do it doesn't mean he should. I have always liked Garrus as a character (just not a romance interest), and I worked hard to get him to stop trying to take the easy way out of things in ME1, and I wasn't about to let him do a complete back pedal in ME2 just because he wants to get his revenge. I think the fanbase on that would actually be more evenly split.

[Meerkatt]

The Angry One wrote...

Actually the real reason is The Man is afraid of Kaidan's sexiness.

Hahaha! Agreed!

I have been thinking though, I quite like the Horizon scene now. IF there's a great payoff for it in ME3, it will have been a really amazing cliffhanger. If not, well. Epic fail.

[Collider]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Yeah, but just because Garrus wants to do it doesn't mean he should.

I agree.

I have always liked Garrus as a character (just not a romance interest), and I worked hard to get him to stop trying to take the easy way out of things in ME1, and I wasn't about to let him do a complete back pedal in ME2 just because he wants to get his revenge. I think the fanbase on that would actually be more evenly split.

Eh, who knows. I agree that Garrus kind of did not heed Shepard's words if you told him not to kill Doctor Heart. Hopefully it will come into play in ME3. While I may be wrong on this particular example, I think that in general fans would be more willing to do what their characters asks in general.

[Collider]

Meerkatt wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Actually the real reason is The Man is afraid of Kaidan's sexiness.

Hahaha! Agreed!

I have been thinking though, I quite like the Horizon scene now. IF there's a great payoff for it in ME3, it will have been a really amazing cliffhanger. If not, well. Epic fail.

You could always consider that the turbulence in the relationship makes it all the more satisfying when you get back with Kaidan.

[Mrs Templar]

 IMO the loyalty mission for Garrus was probably the least original in ME2.  I liked the part involving tracking down Fade, but the part w/ Sidonis is too much like his side mission in ME1.  Garrus wants to kill someone b/c he feels they have committed a great injustice, that they got away w/ it for a while and he needs to hand out some personal justice.  You can either talk him down or encourage him.  


I am curious if we will need to do a loyalty mission for returning ME1 squad mates. Or, if you will simply need to be able to convince them to join you w/ a ren/par check.  Or maybe they will simply be assigned to you.  Anyway, just thinking out loud 

btw I am choosing to believe they will be in ME3 

Modifié par Mrs Templar, 22 mars 2010 - 12:59 .

[Collider]

Kaidan, Ashley, and Liara will definitely be in ME3, Bioware has made sure of that. And in a big way. I see no reason why a soldier like Kaidan wouldn't be in the squad.

[sapphyreelf]

Collider wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Yeah, but just because Garrus wants to do it doesn't mean he should.

I agree.

I have always liked Garrus as a character (just not a romance interest), and I worked hard to get him to stop trying to take the easy way out of things in ME1, and I wasn't about to let him do a complete back pedal in ME2 just because he wants to get his revenge. I think the fanbase on that would actually be more evenly split.

Eh, who knows. I agree that Garrus kind of did not heed Shepard's words if you told him not to kill Doctor Heart. Hopefully it will come into play in ME3. While I may be wrong on this particular example, I think that in general fans would be more willing to do what their characters asks in general.

I think it all depends on what kind of Shepard you are playing, and if you are just pandering to the NPCs as you see fit. I can see it both ways if you are not just trying to do whatever the NPC tells you to do just because they said so.

It's kind of what everyeone has been jumping all over Kaidan for not doing. He (nor Ash) did not blindly listen to us and join up - just because we asked and wanted them to. We've been giving them credit for standing firm to their principals. The same should hold true for Shepard, and yes, if there were some crazy out there quest involving Kaidan and some sort of ridiculous plot point that we had to choose, I wouldn't just blindly choose his request without figuring that it was the best possible solution in the situation.

[Collider]

That is a good point. About Horizon, I think it perfectly made sense for Kaidan not to want to join Cerberus. Cerberus is a terrorist organization who has conducted horrible torture and experimentation. As if your friend joined Al-Qaeda. I personally think that Kaidan is a stronger character for it and makes even more sense if you kept him paragon.

[Brijenieve]

la la la good morning

[sapphyreelf]

Even if you "renegade" Kaidan, you aren't changing much of who he is except that you make him more pro-human. He's still Alliance through and through, and Cerberus is still a "rogue Alliance group" that conducts inhumane experiments on humans.

[Collider]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Even if you "renegade" Kaidan, you aren't changing much of who he is except that you make him more pro-human.

I agree and probably should have said something about it.

He's still Alliance through and through, and Cerberus is still a "rogue Alliance group" that conducts inhumane experiments on humans.

Yep, actually that's a very good point. Cerberus conducts experiments on humans, so Kaidan may have even more reason to dislike it. It's quite ironic that a pro-human group primarily antagonizes humans for their experimentation. It'll be good to take them down in ME3, or at the very least reform them.

[Alice829]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think it all depends on what kind of Shepard you are playing, and if you are just pandering to the NPCs as you see fit. I can see it both ways if you are not just trying to do whatever the NPC tells you to do just because they said so.

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In Tali's case, it's more about friendship. Her father did terrible things, and paid for his crimes. The experiments are over, and it's now about her and her people. It needs to be her choice. If they were ongoing, it would be a different story, and I think Tali might very well reveal them herself, and stop him. But I happily ditched Zaeed's loyalty (before I knew there was a paragon option to keep it) when he lied to me about why he was really on Zorya and was willing to let people burn for his revenge. Would have booted him off the ship too, but it wasn't an option.

[taigin]

My hope for Me3 is that you cut ties with both Cerberus and Alliance (in case of Paragon with the blessing of Alliance, and in case of Renegade wit the blessing of Cerberus) and start act on your own. I'm hoping the turian general at Chora's Den is foreshadowing Shepards fate by saying he/she would make a great general one day. Cutting all ties you can sway Kaidan/Ash and Miranda/Jacob (edit: well you already do this at the end of Me2 if you go paragon) over to your side and create your own independent faction which can operate in the different systems without restraints. With the experiences from Me1 and 2 I hope Shepard decides to do it all on her own to save the galaxy (assembling all allies gained).

Modifié par taigin, 22 mars 2010 - 01:19 .

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Alice829 wrote...
But I happily ditched Zaeed's loyalty (before I knew there was a paragon option to keep it) when he lied to me about why he was really on Zorya and was willing to let people burn for his revenge. Would have booted him off the ship too, but it wasn't an option.

TIM paid Zaeed so I doubt TIM would let you anyways. Of course there's always the option of getting him killed in the suicide mission. Easiest would be for him to be an unloyal escort or bring him unloyal to the final battle with the human reaper.

[sapphyreelf]

@Alice: I agree with the Tali bit actually. It's in the best interest to do as she asks. I only chose to give the evidence over on my renegade character because Admiral Xen alluded to helping me if I were to turn evidence over of geth experiments. I should have known not to trust Morrigan though.

[Collider]

sapphyreelf wrote...
I should have known not to trust Morrigan though.

Never trust Morrigan
Her voice actor does a good job of ominous villain though. Even if her idea is incredibly foolish.

[jillyfae]

Collider wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...
I should have known not to trust Morrigan though.

Never trust Morrigan
Her voice actor does a good job of ominous villain though. Even if her idea is incredibly foolish.

I actually really liked that they gave the Quarians such wide-ranging ideas on what to do with the flotilla and the geth... Tali's mission is probably my favorite of all the loyalty missions.  I could see where Xen was coming from, actually, even though pretty much all my versions of Shepard disagree with her.  The fact that she figures out what Tali's father was up to after the fact makes me wonder what she's going to be up to in ME3...

[Collider]

jillyfae wrote...
The fact that she figures out what Tali's father was up to after the fact makes me wonder what she's going to be up to in ME3...

Just as Xen, Morrigan was very intelligent and knew things that the most others did not (Archdemon, ritual, etc). I could see her as a villain or possibly ally to Shepard depending on what you choose.

Modifié par Collider, 22 mars 2010 - 01:33 .

[sapphyreelf]

@Jilly & Collider: I was gambling to have some kind of payoff in my favor by turning over the evidence with my renegade Shep, but I play up the Ruthless part of her pysch profile. She's not over sacrificing things to get things done (and Tali's father was one of those things).

[sapphyreelf]

Collider wrote...

jillyfae wrote...
The fact that she figures out what Tali's father was up to after the fact makes me wonder what she's going to be up to in ME3...

Just as Xen, Morrigan was very intelligent and knew things that the most others did not (Archdemon, ritual, etc). I could see her as a villain or possibly ally to Shepard depending on what you choose.

Except that she sends the same email to you saying she isn't going to help regardless if you turn over the evidence or not.

[Collider]

sapphyreelf wrote...

@Jilly & Collider: I was gambling to have some kind of payoff in my favor by turning over the evidence with my renegade Shep, but I play up the Ruthless part of her pysch profile. She's not over sacrificing things to get things done (and Tali's father was one of those things).

I don't mind, the appeal of Mass is that you can roleplay Shepard in many different ways. It'd be hard for me to betray Tali personally (just as it may be hard for Kaidan fans to leave Kaidan on Virmire, which I never did myself), but it's another choice that can be utilized while replaying the game. Oh and about Kaidan, I justified my choice since he's a biotic (whereas Ashley is the rank and while soldier), higher up in the command ladder and Ashley would be exonerated her family's name in sacrificing herself. And Ashley made it pretty clear she believes in heaven.