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[Collider]

archonambroseus wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Agreed. Some group is going to get extremely disappointed.

I'm of the opinion that they already spread themselves too thin with too many characters and yet they're adding more with Zaeed and Kasumi. They spread themselves too thin already, and now they've got the ME1 LIs to deal with.

The conclusion I am forced to draw is that someone is going to be extremely upset. Dunno who yet.

Maybe I'm putting too much thought into this, but the argument here seems to be that it takes less programming "man hours" (I guess) to make an disappointing story arc than a satisfying one, which isn't really the case (I mean, Jacob's romance sucks because the romance sucks, not because they spread themselves too thin).  It seems like the only way to cut corners with the LIs would be to a) kill them off or relegate them to unimportance.  We are already pretty sure that neither of those will happen; the only evidence against that seems to be "well they haven't always done what they've said," which isn't really evidence.  It seems like most of the naysaying comes from a desire to naysay, which is why I'm being so persistent on this.

Sure, they very well may have to cut corners somewhere in ME3 (it's certainly shaping up to be of Herculean proportions), but frankly there are much more likely corners to be cut.  Saying that it's undoubtedly going to be one of the LIs is, IMO, just silly.

I agree, I doubt they're going to cut corners as much as is suspected sometimes. They already doubled the amount of romances. We don't really have an idea of how many squad mates will be in ME3, I doubt Zaeed and Kasumi will rejoin, they're DLC characters with limited characterization compared to the other squad mates. I think sometimes people don't give Bioware enough credit, the game itself is huge and took plenty of effort (can only imagine the nightmare of programming it), I think they'll be able to satisfy people who romanced someone in ME1 or ME2. Time will tell though.

[The Angry One]

fortunesque wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah Spectres outrank any normal military ranks.
Also, were Kaidan come aboard the Normandy, Shepard is the captain regardless of rank and thus he'd server under her.. heh heh heh..

They could fight over it and it could culminate into angry dominance-establishing sex! 

EDI: "Shepard, Alenko; the crew showers are not meant for that kind of behaviour."
Shepard: "Well we already trashed the lounge, what else is there?
Kaidan: "To the captain's cabin, I'll win yet!"
Shepard: "If you damage my fish tank I'll make you pay!"
Kaidan: "Is that a promise?"

[archonambroseus]

I know it won't (and probably can't due to lore) happen, but I'd love it if an Udina as councilor game would end up with Anderson being plucked back up for specter readmission. I just feel so bad for the guy wasting away in an office.

[Collider]

I'm hoping that Udina becomes competent in ME3 so the decision at the end of ME1 doesn't amount to choosing someone awesome (Anderson) or choosing an idiot (Udina). Not really much of a choice if it is.

[fortunesque]

The Angry One wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah Spectres outrank any normal military ranks.
Also, were Kaidan come aboard the Normandy, Shepard is the captain regardless of rank and thus he'd server under her.. heh heh heh..

They could fight over it and it could culminate into angry dominance-establishing sex! 

EDI: "Shepard, Alenko; the crew showers are not meant for that kind of behaviour."
Shepard: "Well we already trashed the lounge, what else is there?
Kaidan: "To the captain's cabin, I'll win yet!"
Shepard: "If you damage my fish tank I'll make you pay!"
Kaidan: "Is that a promise?"

Hmmm...

They *do* have to stamp the ship as theirs by having sex in every room. 

This is a scientific fact.

[Shenzi]

The Angry One wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah Spectres outrank any normal military ranks.
Also, were Kaidan come aboard the Normandy, Shepard is the captain regardless of rank and thus he'd server under her.. heh heh heh..

They could fight over it and it could culminate into angry dominance-establishing sex! 

EDI: "Shepard, Alenko; the crew showers are not meant for that kind of behaviour."
Shepard: "Well we already trashed the lounge, what else is there?
Kaidan: "To the captain's cabin, I'll win yet!"
Shepard: "If you damage my fish tank I'll make you pay!"
Kaidan: "Is that a promise?"

Meanwhile Joker is having a field day watching the surveillance cameras.

[Sialater]

archonambroseus wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Agreed. Some group is going to get extremely disappointed.

I'm of the opinion that they already spread themselves too thin with too many characters and yet they're adding more with Zaeed and Kasumi. They spread themselves too thin already, and now they've got the ME1 LIs to deal with.

The conclusion I am forced to draw is that someone is going to be extremely upset. Dunno who yet.

Maybe I'm putting too much thought into this, but the argument here seems to be that it takes less programming "man hours" (I guess) to make an disappointing story arc than a satisfying one, which isn't really the case (I mean, Jacob's romance sucks because the romance sucks, not because they spread themselves too thin).  It seems like the only way to cut corners with the LIs would be to a) kill them off or relegate them to unimportance.  We are already pretty sure that neither of those will happen; the only evidence against that seems to be "well they haven't always done what they've said," which isn't really evidence.  It seems like most of the naysaying comes from a desire to naysay, which is why I'm being so persistent on this.

Sure, they very well may have to cut corners somewhere in ME3 (it's certainly shaping up to be of Herculean proportions), but frankly there are much more likely corners to be cut.  Saying that it's undoubtedly going to be one of the LIs is, IMO, just silly.

Jacob's romance sucks because they should have just made him a renegade character, through and through, Shep's approach would have made a lot more sense.

My fear comes from what i know is possible and if Bioware pulls off ME3 the way it should be, it will be glorious!  But it could also fall miserably.

[archonambroseus]

Collider wrote...

I'm hoping that Udina becomes competent in ME3 so the decision at the end of ME1 doesn't amount to choosing someone awesome (Anderson) or choosing an idiot (Udina). Not really much of a choice if it is.

He's plenty competent; Anderson admits it either way.  If Anderson's the councilor, he says he thinks Udina would have been a better choice; if you choose Udina, Anderson admits he does a wonderful job (even though he's a huge a**).  As I see it, it comes down to biting the bullet at giving a really effective jerk the position or giving in and spiting the really effective jerk to pad the retirement of a not that effective really nice guy.  Seems like it's a bit of a choice to me.

[The Angry One]

I don't really see any way that Jacob's romance works as written.

First Shep comes off as a pervert and Jacob's like "Um what? I'm just trying to talk to you, you creepy woman." and in the second half Jacob becomes the weirdo going on about "teh priiize", while Shep doesn't get any better.

It's just awful.

[sapphyreelf]

I was so happy Kaidan wasn't present when I spoke to Udina after I sacrificed the council in my renegade femShep playthrough. Even though I turned him pro-human, he would have been none to happy with my "I purposefully let the council die so humanity could take it's rightful place" just before nominating Udina as the head Councilor. Anderson balked when I spoke my mind so he was flat out of the competition.

[Collider]

archonambroseus wrote...

Collider wrote...

I'm hoping that Udina becomes competent in ME3 so the decision at the end of ME1 doesn't amount to choosing someone awesome (Anderson) or choosing an idiot (Udina). Not really much of a choice if it is.

He's plenty competent; Anderson admits it either way.  If Anderson's the councilor, he says he thinks Udina would have been a better choice; if you choose Udina, Anderson admits he does a wonderful job (even though he's a huge a**).  As I see it, it comes down to biting the bullet at giving a really effective jerk the position or giving in and spiting the really effective jerk to pad the retirement of a not that effective really nice guy.  Seems like it's a bit of a choice to me.

True, true. I just wish we'd get a better sense of Udina doing a good job in ME3. I've only played ME2 with one shepard, who concentrated on sovereign (and appointed Udina), so maybe I missed out an any indication of Udina doing a particularly good job because the council wasn't alive.

[Shenzi]

The Angry One wrote...

I don't really see any way that Jacob's romance works as written.
First Shep comes off as a pervert and Jacob's like "Um what? I'm just trying to talk to you, you creepy woman." and in the second half Jacob becomes the weirdo going on about "teh priiize", while Shep doesn't get any better.
It's just awful.

I never was able to get by the first part, I shut right down after I heard ****ty Shepard voice.

[RyrineaNara]

Udina is a huge dick ass that why he not competent in the games to us. He lets his agenda get in the way of doing what is right for the people.

[Kabraxal]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Udina is a huge dick ass that why he not competent in the games to us. He lets his agenda get in the way of doing what is right for the people.

The perfect politician...

[The Angry One]

Shenzi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I don't really see any way that Jacob's romance works as written.
First Shep comes off as a pervert and Jacob's like "Um what? I'm just trying to talk to you, you creepy woman." and in the second half Jacob becomes the weirdo going on about "teh priiize", while Shep doesn't get any better.
It's just awful.

I never was able to get by the first part, I shut right down after I heard ****ty Shepard voice.

I've mentioned this a few times, but I still can't get over the fact that after the suicide mission, when Jacob gives his opinion on what you did with the base, Shep does the same dialog option in a normal voice.
I mean that just rubs it in!

[RyrineaNara]

Kabraxal wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

Udina is a huge dick ass that why he not competent in the games to us. He lets his agenda get in the way of doing what is right for the people.

The perfect politician...

No the perfect Neo Con lol <_<

[The Angry One]

Shavon wrote...

Even with a renegade Shepard, I don't see why anyone would pick Udina over Anderson, unless its because they know how much cabin fever Anderson will end up with by having a desk job. If Udina is Cauncilman, it could throw a wrench into the plans of Shepard rejoining the Alliance.

My renegade never picks Udina. In fact if I had the option I'd eject him into space for stabbing me in the back.

[RyrineaNara]

Shavon wrote...

Even with a renegade Shepard, I don't see why anyone would pick Udina over Anderson, unless its because they know how much cabin fever Anderson will end up with by having a desk job. If Udina is Cauncilman, it could throw a wrench into the plans of Shepard rejoining the Alliance.

I agree with that it would put a wrench into the plans of Shepard rejoing the Alliance, if the Udina had his way.

[sapphyreelf]

The Angry One wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Even with a renegade Shepard, I don't see why anyone would pick Udina over Anderson, unless its because they know how much cabin fever Anderson will end up with by having a desk job. If Udina is Cauncilman, it could throw a wrench into the plans of Shepard rejoining the Alliance.

My renegade never picks Udina. In fact if I had the option I'd eject him into space for stabbing me in the back.

My renegade character has no plans of rejoining the Alliance, and she is enjoying operating as a dead Spectre as she wishes.

[Collider]

Shavon wrote...

Even with a renegade Shepard, I don't see why anyone would pick Udina over Anderson, unless its because they know how much cabin fever Anderson will end up with by having a desk job. If Udina is Cauncilman, it could throw a wrench into the plans of Shepard rejoining the Alliance.

Udina has more political experience. I'd imagine he'd be more able to manipulate the council into doing what he desires. I could imagine him as being a tyrant in an all human council, and progressively better if you concentrated on sovereign or saved the council.

[fortunesque]

The Angry One wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Even with a renegade Shepard, I don't see why anyone would pick Udina over Anderson, unless its because they know how much cabin fever Anderson will end up with by having a desk job. If Udina is Cauncilman, it could throw a wrench into the plans of Shepard rejoining the Alliance.

My renegade never picks Udina. In fact if I had the option I'd eject him into space for stabbing me in the back.

This.

Betray me?

What a ****ing bag of dicks. I'd sooner elect Fist and his strangely 80's haircut and crossed eyes.

[RyrineaNara]

The Angry One wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Even with a renegade Shepard, I don't see why anyone would pick Udina over Anderson, unless its because they know how much cabin fever Anderson will end up with by having a desk job. If Udina is Cauncilman, it could throw a wrench into the plans of Shepard rejoining the Alliance.

My renegade never picks Udina. In fact if I had the option I'd eject him into space for stabbing me in the back.

Even my paragon play trough I would pick that option, if that was one I always love watching Undia get falcon punched by Capt. Anderson.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 24 mars 2010 - 07:54 .

[AkodoRyu]

RyrineaNara wrote...

But I won't mind severing under him.

Rawr.

Just finished Firewalker... It's fun. Yay, I got new shiny in my cabin! (now I can play a fortune teller)

[Kabraxal]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

Udina is a huge dick ass that why he not competent in the games to us. He lets his agenda get in the way of doing what is right for the people.

The perfect politician...

No the perfect Neo Con lol <_<

All politicians... no matter what they try to label themself as.