TeenZombie wrote...
fortunesque wrote...
So I'm on Zaeed's mission.
Do NOT shoot the monkeys. They make the most sad, pitiful sound ever. I feel like an awful person
LOL. I shot them, but it was to make my son laugh.
I also punched the pyjak on Tuchanka just for him.
Hehehehe...TZ, you have some interesting parenting strategies.TeenZombie wrote...
fortunesque wrote...
So I'm on Zaeed's mission.
Do NOT shoot the monkeys. They make the most sad, pitiful sound ever. I feel like an awful person
LOL. I shot them, but it was to make my son laugh.
I also punched the pyjak on Tuchanka just for him.
RedNanaki wrote...
Doug84 wrote...
We need some tragedy in our culture somewhere or else we are effectively saying 'Happy endings are certain, you don't really need to work for them'.
As for your example re:Mars - I think we should look back to the race to land on the moon. The result was a big win for the USA, but to the Russians it was a slap to the face - their technology had been shown to be inferior, and their enemy had shown themselves capable of that technological feat. And in the context of the cold war, space faring ability was often overlapped with missile technology for several reasons.
But then the US went all crazy with their national defense education act and DARPA and God knows what else!
As for tragedy... too much of it can really turn me off a story. As an example I tried reading this book called Cathedral of the Sea, but after several chapters of nothing but a boy suffering at every turn and eventually sitting alone in the town sqare below his father's hung corpse drowning in grief I couldn't take it anymore.I like mystery though... and more light-hearted stories like The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
The grand trilogies all tend to end all happily even though the hero(es) had to make sacrifices along the way, and they always get the girl. Always.
Modifié par Doug84, 24 février 2010 - 12:30 .
fortunesque wrote...
TeenZombie wrote...
fortunesque wrote...
So I'm on Zaeed's mission.
Do NOT shoot the monkeys. They make the most sad, pitiful sound ever. I feel like an awful person
LOL. I shot them, but it was to make my son laugh.
I also punched the pyjak on Tuchanka just for him.
You know, I can play very renegade at times. I have more problem harming animals than people...
I wonder why that is.
I think at this point we're all agreeing but saying it differently. I said it with lima beans! I'm sorry. I think lima beans is a funny word, and giggle to myself when I type it. :happy:Doug84 wrote...
RedNanaki wrote...
Doug84 wrote...
We need some tragedy in our culture somewhere or else we are effectively saying 'Happy endings are certain, you don't really need to work for them'.
As for your example re:Mars - I think we should look back to the race to land on the moon. The result was a big win for the USA, but to the Russians it was a slap to the face - their technology had been shown to be inferior, and their enemy had shown themselves capable of that technological feat. And in the context of the cold war, space faring ability was often overlapped with missile technology for several reasons.
But then the US went all crazy with their national defense education act and DARPA and God knows what else!
As for tragedy... too much of it can really turn me off a story. As an example I tried reading this book called Cathedral of the Sea, but after several chapters of nothing but a boy suffering at every turn and eventually sitting alone in the town sqare below his father's hung corpse drowning in grief I couldn't take it anymore.
The grand trilogies all tend to end all happily even though the hero(es) had to make sacrifices along the way, and they always get the girl. Always.
Same here - I don't like alot of tragedy in a story, and generally like happy endings over sad ones. But at the same time, Dr Horrible's Sing Along blog had a deep emotional impact because of its ending.
I'm not saying I LIKE tragedy, I'm saying it MUST exist for fiction to work. Even if its not in the story you're reading/watching/playing, it has to exist in the wider context of culture or else everything has no contrast.
EDIT:
And without that insane defence spending, we wouldn't have the internet
Daewan wrote...
Has everyone voted on this poll already?
Vote for your favorite ME2 and ME1 companion
I only ask because Kaidan only has 46 votes....
QFTDoug84 wrote...
fortunesque wrote...
TeenZombie wrote...
fortunesque wrote...
So I'm on Zaeed's mission.
Do NOT shoot the monkeys. They make the most sad, pitiful sound ever. I feel like an awful person
LOL. I shot them, but it was to make my son laugh.
I also punched the pyjak on Tuchanka just for him.
You know, I can play very renegade at times. I have more problem harming animals than people...
I wonder why that is.
People can be mean, stupid and selfish - Hence, are responsible for their choices.
Animals just are what they are, and don't choose to be that way - Hence are not responsible
To make an interesting aside on this topic.. I recall there was a thread on a Looking Glass Studios fan forum regarding Thief: Deadly Shadows prior to its release about the presence of cats in the game and whether or not they would be invulnerable. It led to a somewhat heated debate until someone observed that while people had no problem whatsoever with how you could (and some would, with glee) meddle with, beat, injure, trap, torture or outright murder human NPCs in the game whether innocent or not.. the moment anyone dared suggest that (completely virtual) cats might come to harm, they were the very spawn of EVIL!fortunesque wrote...
You know, I can play very renegade at times. I have more problem harming animals than people...
I wonder why that is.
chem light wrote...
I think at this point we're all agreeing but saying it differently. I said it with lima beans! I'm sorry. I think lima beans is a funny word, and giggle to myself when I type it. :happy:
Anyhow, as I think everyone here longs for a happy ending (after much suffering) with Kaidan/Ash, it is time to bring this topic back on topic.
BioWare, this is where I would like the icing on that cake I ordered.
And "lima beans"? (with added 'British' accent)
Of course, glory to DARPA! We probably have them to thank for close to all modern information technology.Doug84 wrote...
And without that insane defence spending, we wouldn't have the internet
mmm Han Solo... how about a Han Solo type LI?
MICHELLE7 wrote...
Daewan wrote...
Has everyone voted on this poll already?
Vote for your favorite ME2 and ME1 companion
I only ask because Kaidan only has 46 votes....
He has 60 votes now...still behind Miranda, Garrus, Liara and of course Tali who is over 200 votes.
chem light wrote...
QFTDoug84 wrote...
People can be mean, stupid and selfish - Hence, are responsible for their choices.
Animals just are what they are, and don't choose to be that way - Hence are not responsible
Animals are the bomb. That's why I have more than I should reasonably fit in my house!
Modifié par Doug84, 24 février 2010 - 12:41 .
Doug84 wrote...
sapphyreelf wrote...
I am torturing myself today it seems. Migraine went away courtesy of meds, just in time for me to get to Horizon with my renegade femShep. So, can I please have some smexy Kaidan pics?
*grumbles* Fine, I'll engage in the posting of Kaidan pics.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to do something manly before the guys recall my equipment.
:lol:
chem light wrote...
Humans love CONFLICT, not TRAGEDY. Yeah, a story where nothing ever goes wrong and there's nothing to do but sit around be awesome would be boring. Just like if all food tasted like chocolate chip cookies, they wouldn't be awesome anymore. That's why I believe God invented things like lima beans. Ughhh...Daewan wrote...
TeenZombie wrote...
(snipped)
Argh, no kidding, I'm at the point now where I don't want to watch anymore Joss Whedon shows, because it's inevitable that whatever characters I like will DIE, the moment they fall in love or are happy for more than three seconds. You can have a compelling story without making everything dire and tragic all the time.
(snipped again)
Okay, name a compelling story where nothing dire and tragic happens. If it didn't happen when they were happy or in love, it wouldn't be tragic!
Humans (this includes you, unless you're secretly a sentient bagel) like tragedy. We like it because it gives us something to overcome. We like hearing/reading about it because we identify with the struggle more than the result. From the first humans huddled around a fire, the stories told were about great battles and dangerous hunts. This is why newspapers have disasters on the front page, and one column for human interest stories.
Everyone knows Romeo and Juliet even though most people haven't read it. It's why most date movies are tearjerkers.
Yeah, we want a compelling story, but that doesn't preclude a happy ending.
I swear if Kaidan dies after saving everyone in the middle of saying, "I am a leaf on the wind..."
I will have an anuerism .
Nhani wrote...
To make an interesting aside on this topic.. I recall there was a thread on a Looking Glass Studios fan forum regarding Thief: Deadly Shadows prior to its release about the presence of cats in the game and whether or not they would be invulnerable. It led to a somewhat heated debate until someone observed that while people had no problem whatsoever with how you could (and some would, with glee) meddle with, beat, injure, trap, torture or outright murder human NPCs in the game whether innocent or not.. the moment anyone dared suggest that (completely virtual) cats might come to harm, they were the very spawn of EVIL!fortunesque wrote...
You know, I can play very renegade at times. I have more problem harming animals than people...
I wonder why that is.
I thought it was a rather interesting observation.
Modifié par RedNanaki, 24 février 2010 - 12:48 .
Doug84 wrote...
chem light wrote...
QFTDoug84 wrote...
People can be mean, stupid and selfish - Hence, are responsible for their choices.
Animals just are what they are, and don't choose to be that way - Hence are not responsible
Animals are the bomb. That's why I have more than I should reasonably fit in my house!
Oh, I forgot about one animal who is, infact. EVIL
Bad Horse
Doug84 wrote...
Not sure why Garrus is topping the male side of things though.
crimsonrhodelia wrote...
Doug84 wrote...
Not sure why Garrus is topping the male side of things though.
It's because Garrus is a bad ass bro for manshep and Kaidan is Carth except he whines and cries about migraines all game long instead of his dead wife. <_<
ekkaja.marta wrote...
Don't we have enough tragedy in ME2? You lost your life, your ship, your crew and possibly your love... Your life is in pieces and again you have to be the strong leader for everyone else and you can't show your own feelings. What's worse there is still this very important mission that only you seem to remember about, because everyone else forgot about it for the last two years.
As I said it would be great if BW gave the opportunity to fail the mission again at the end. That you would have to make the right choices to survive again. No ultimate win scenario would make the story more real.
And if their are not going to make a happy ending, this is going to be the saddest game ever.
crimsonrhodelia wrote...
Doug84 wrote...
Not sure why Garrus is topping the male side of things though.
It's because Garrus is a bad ass bro for manshep and Kaidan is Carth except he whines and cries about migraines all game long instead of his dead wife. <_<
Yeah, it was one of those moments I stood up and yelled at the tv. Also did that at the end of, The Grudge, which a bunch of my girl friends wanted to watch, and I was like, I don't do horror movies, and they were like come on and then she were all screaming because they were afraid of the ending, I was screaming because I was morally offended. Apparently I went on a very long rant all through ending scene about how characters who redeemed themselves deserved to live or at least have their death be meaningful.MICHELLE7 wrote...
chem light wrote...
Humans love CONFLICT, not TRAGEDY. Yeah, a story where nothing ever goes wrong and there's nothing to do but sit around be awesome would be boring. Just like if all food tasted like chocolate chip cookies, they wouldn't be awesome anymore. That's why I believe God invented things like lima beans. Ughhh...Daewan wrote...
TeenZombie wrote...
(snipped)
Argh, no kidding, I'm at the point now where I don't want to watch anymore Joss Whedon shows, because it's inevitable that whatever characters I like will DIE, the moment they fall in love or are happy for more than three seconds. You can have a compelling story without making everything dire and tragic all the time.
(snipped again)
Okay, name a compelling story where nothing dire and tragic happens. If it didn't happen when they were happy or in love, it wouldn't be tragic!
Humans (this includes you, unless you're secretly a sentient bagel) like tragedy. We like it because it gives us something to overcome. We like hearing/reading about it because we identify with the struggle more than the result. From the first humans huddled around a fire, the stories told were about great battles and dangerous hunts. This is why newspapers have disasters on the front page, and one column for human interest stories.
Everyone knows Romeo and Juliet even though most people haven't read it. It's why most date movies are tearjerkers.
Yeah, we want a compelling story, but that doesn't preclude a happy ending.
I swear if Kaidan dies after saving everyone in the middle of saying, "I am a leaf on the wind..."
I will have an anuerism .
Totally agree...and god I hated that 'I am a leaf on the wind...thought he was fine and then whack.
TeenZombie wrote...
crimsonrhodelia wrote...
Doug84 wrote...
Not sure why Garrus is topping the male side of things though.
It's because Garrus is a bad ass bro for manshep and Kaidan is Carth except he whines and cries about migraines all game long instead of his dead wife. <_<
How many times does Kaidan actually mention his migraines? I remember Dr. Chakwas talking about them, but not Kaidan himself. Geez, people love to make up reasons to hate on Kaidan.
He says once in his intro. He's explaining L2 biotics to you though, not complaining.TeenZombie wrote...
crimsonrhodelia wrote...
Doug84 wrote...
Not sure why Garrus is topping the male side of things though.
It's because Garrus is a bad ass bro for manshep and Kaidan is Carth except he whines and cries about migraines all game long instead of his dead wife. <_<
How many times does Kaidan actually mention his migraines? I remember Dr. Chakwas talking about them, but not Kaidan himself. Geez, people love to make up reasons to hate on Kaidan.
crimsonrhodelia wrote...
Doug84 wrote...
Not sure why Garrus is topping the male side of things though.
It's because Garrus is a bad ass bro for manshep and Kaidan is Carth except he whines and cries about migraines all game long instead of his dead wife. <_<
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