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[wolfstanus]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

JMan71 wrote...

Okay everyone, don't know if this has been discussed in here yet but I was just thinking about the causes Bioware may have for not putting Tali in ME3 or at least not making her romance-able and the only thing I can come up with is this:

Normally when Bioware puts in the romance options they have to record at least 2 different dialogue trees. One involving the romance and the other just friendly (for those who chose a different option or have a female Shepard). If they were to give Tali another go in number 3 and allow you to continue that relationship to a higher level than they would basically have to record 3 completely different dialogue trees. One for friendship, one for first time romance (people just playing ME3 and not continuing from 2) and one for continued romance. That's a lot of dialogue to give to a character and would require quite a bit more work to put it into the game.

The solution I thought of for this for Tali to only be available to romance (or possibly recruit at all) if you imported your character from ME2 and you romanced tali in that play-through. If that happened they would still only need to record 2 dialogue trees and if she's only recruitable at all if you romanced her then only one line of dialogue would be needed. This would also help a lot with the next problem.

I find it very hard to believe that Bioware would want to show favoritism toward any character no matter how large the fan base. If ONLY Tali were brought into ME3 than every fan of every other romance option would have one big collective "WTF???". So it seems to me they either have to bring all the romance options back or none. This kind of relates back to the first problem with the extra dialogue. If they bring back ALL the romances then that is a ridiculously impossible amount of dialogue and programming to do. Its basically the problem with bringing Tali back but times six. Not to mention the fact that Bioware seems to love adding new characters to the roster, so there's 4 more new romances to deal with. So I thought of 4 possible solutions to the problem.

A) Only having one squad member from ME2 recuite-able and who that person will be is determined by your save and is your romance from 2. Same as A but this time with no NEW romance options to make development easier C) No new characters at all and the cast of ME3 being the combined cast of ME1 and 2 or just the cast of ME2. This would make it so that all dialogue would be continuing relationships from ME2 rather than starting new ones, making a continued romance with Tali the same as the rest of the crew's continuations. And finally the one no one really wants but would be the easiest and at least be something D) Tali has a cameo like Liara but much deeper with her and Shepard being able to continue the ralationship for just a single quest into a higher level. This would prevent you from hooking up with new squad members though. Once again these "cameo romance quests" would have to be for all romances in ME2 but only available to people who import the romance in from last game. Right now I see C and D being the most likely to happen considering they are the most realistic. And yeah it would suck to get D but at least it gives Tali and Shepard a chance for continued romance and wouldn't be too hard to put in the game.

Well that's it. Sorry again for the EXTREMELY long post but I just wanted to put this up there so people would have some options to imagine and push for rather than just hoping for Tali in ME3 and not ever thinking of options for it. Also this is partially a MESSAGE TO THE DEVELOPERS. I know I don't really know anything about how creating video games works but Im just doing my best to help you guys and to give more of a chance to Tali appearing in ME3. Thanks for your time if you read this and if you didn't I completely understand.

Your points are very well thought out and valid.

Stop it.

One thing I don't think they will not keep current characters out of me3 (unless they died shame on you) the second game was about building up another team and we all know the second part of a trilogy always introduces new allies etc (look at starwars/startrek etc) so I know for a fact that they will have them all in me3. Also Bioware loves possible happy endings... and bioware always record more dialouge options than they will ever need.

That's true every Bioware game I've ever played had at least one happy ending thank you good sir you just cheered me up.

Well its true KOTOR/KOTOR2/ME/ME2/DA etc (games I have played) they all have possible bad/nuetral/good endings

Modifié par wolfstanus, 03 mars 2010 - 08:44 .

[MMA7FF]

Jake71887 wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

He still doesn't believe that I am a girl??

Should I? 

Do that bother you that much that I am girl?

The trolling is so apparent on both sides.

Its also called "flirting".

I flirt with pretty much everything on the internet... monogender much? 

I take it you like the asari?

[Das Wolfen]

Formis_Sage wrote...

Well, your point are indeed good but in compare with the all dialogues in the game, one more tree for each of four LIs isn't so much.

True dat. Don't forget that Bioware's upcoming MMO for Spring 2011 is going to be full dialogue, They don't shy away from extensive scripts and voice acting.

[cannedcream]

One thing I don't think they will not keep current characters out of me3 (unless they died shame on you) the second game was about building up another team and we all know the second part of a trilogy always introduces new allies etc (look at starwars/startrek etc) so I know for a fact that they will have them all in me3. Also Bioware loves possible happy endings... and bioware always record more dialouge options than they will ever need.

Let me pull up a quote from the cannedcream archives:

"Bioware seems to enjoying ripping out your heart and showing it to you before crushing it."

There will be a happy ending, of this I'm sure, but I promise you that something God-aweful horrible will happen first. The kind of thing that's going to make us cry and rage at the same time, I just know it.

Anyway, I would love to have a cross between the ME1 & 2 characters for the final game, and not just because that would mean a chance to continue the Talimancing, but also because there are characters from both games that I've really grown to like and would love to see more of.

[Jake71887]

MMA7FF wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

He still doesn't believe that I am a girl??

Should I? 

Do that bother you that much that I am girl?

The trolling is so apparent on both sides.

Its also called "flirting".

I flirt with pretty much everything on the internet... monogender much? 

I take it you like the asari?

I like everything! 

[RevanKun123]

MMA7FF wrote...
I take it you like the asari?

I think he like pretty much everything.

[gkillerrin]

wolfstanus wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

JMan71 wrote...

Okay everyone, don't know if this has been discussed in here yet but I was just thinking about the causes Bioware may have for not putting Tali in ME3 or at least not making her romance-able and the only thing I can come up with is this:

Normally when Bioware puts in the romance options they have to record at least 2 different dialogue trees. One involving the romance and the other just friendly (for those who chose a different option or have a female Shepard). If they were to give Tali another go in number 3 and allow you to continue that relationship to a higher level than they would basically have to record 3 completely different dialogue trees. One for friendship, one for first time romance (people just playing ME3 and not continuing from 2) and one for continued romance. That's a lot of dialogue to give to a character and would require quite a bit more work to put it into the game.

The solution I thought of for this for Tali to only be available to romance (or possibly recruit at all) if you imported your character from ME2 and you romanced tali in that play-through. If that happened they would still only need to record 2 dialogue trees and if she's only recruitable at all if you romanced her then only one line of dialogue would be needed. This would also help a lot with the next problem.

I find it very hard to believe that Bioware would want to show favoritism toward any character no matter how large the fan base. If ONLY Tali were brought into ME3 than every fan of every other romance option would have one big collective "WTF???". So it seems to me they either have to bring all the romance options back or none. This kind of relates back to the first problem with the extra dialogue. If they bring back ALL the romances then that is a ridiculously impossible amount of dialogue and programming to do. Its basically the problem with bringing Tali back but times six. Not to mention the fact that Bioware seems to love adding new characters to the roster, so there's 4 more new romances to deal with. So I thought of 4 possible solutions to the problem.

A) Only having one squad member from ME2 recuite-able and who that person will be is determined by your save and is your romance from 2. Same as A but this time with no NEW romance options to make development easier C) No new characters at all and the cast of ME3 being the combined cast of ME1 and 2 or just the cast of ME2. This would make it so that all dialogue would be continuing relationships from ME2 rather than starting new ones, making a continued romance with Tali the same as the rest of the crew's continuations. And finally the one no one really wants but would be the easiest and at least be something D) Tali has a cameo like Liara but much deeper with her and Shepard being able to continue the ralationship for just a single quest into a higher level. This would prevent you from hooking up with new squad members though. Once again these "cameo romance quests" would have to be for all romances in ME2 but only available to people who import the romance in from last game. Right now I see C and D being the most likely to happen considering they are the most realistic. And yeah it would suck to get D but at least it gives Tali and Shepard a chance for continued romance and wouldn't be too hard to put in the game.

Well that's it. Sorry again for the EXTREMELY long post but I just wanted to put this up there so people would have some options to imagine and push for rather than just hoping for Tali in ME3 and not ever thinking of options for it. Also this is partially a MESSAGE TO THE DEVELOPERS. I know I don't really know anything about how creating video games works but Im just doing my best to help you guys and to give more of a chance to Tali appearing in ME3. Thanks for your time if you read this and if you didn't I completely understand.

Your points are very well thought out and valid.

Stop it.

One thing I don't think they will not keep current characters out of me3 (unless they died shame on you) the second game was about building up another team and we all know the second part of a trilogy always introduces new allies etc (look at starwars/startrek etc) so I know for a fact that they will have them all in me3. Also Bioware loves possible happy endings... and bioware always record more dialouge options than they will ever need.

I was just going to say the same thing, Their a AAA game dev they make awesome games, They knew how hard Making the ME universe & Series would be after the first game, since they built all the games (yes even one) around Save game importing and making it your story.

they will have tali, aswell as every other romance, its going to be hard for them, but like I said, if they didnt want a challence then they wouldn't of based the games off of Save Importing, and making it your experience.

Besides if they ever need more time im pretty sure they can get up to an extra year, especially since EA knows that bioware would only do it if they had a good reason, and they frankly wont care because of how much Revenue ME3 will bring in... aswell as all of the book, Sound tracks, Action Figures, and maybe movies that will bring in LOADS of cash

So, Im not too worried about Tali not being in it (they also want to keep their fanbase happy )

[CandraZ]

Well I got GMOD today and downloaded the Tali model but can't for the life of me pose it...

[JMan71]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

JMan71 wrote...

Okay everyone, don't know if this has been discussed in here yet but I was just thinking about the causes Bioware may have for not putting Tali in ME3 or at least not making her romance-able and the only thing I can come up with is this:

Normally when Bioware puts in the romance options they have to record at least 2 different dialogue trees. One involving the romance and the other just friendly (for those who chose a different option or have a female Shepard). If they were to give Tali another go in number 3 and allow you to continue that relationship to a higher level than they would basically have to record 3 completely different dialogue trees. One for friendship, one for first time romance (people just playing ME3 and not continuing from 2) and one for continued romance. That's a lot of dialogue to give to a character and would require quite a bit more work to put it into the game.

The solution I thought of for this for Tali to only be available to romance (or possibly recruit at all) if you imported your character from ME2 and you romanced tali in that play-through. If that happened they would still only need to record 2 dialogue trees and if she's only recruitable at all if you romanced her then only one line of dialogue would be needed. This would also help a lot with the next problem.

I find it very hard to believe that Bioware would want to show favoritism toward any character no matter how large the fan base. If ONLY Tali were brought into ME3 than every fan of every other romance option would have one big collective "WTF???". So it seems to me they either have to bring all the romance options back or none. This kind of relates back to the first problem with the extra dialogue. If they bring back ALL the romances then that is a ridiculously impossible amount of dialogue and programming to do. Its basically the problem with bringing Tali back but times six. Not to mention the fact that Bioware seems to love adding new characters to the roster, so there's 4 more new romances to deal with. So I thought of 4 possible solutions to the problem.

A) Only having one squad member from ME2 recuite-able and who that person will be is determined by your save and is your romance from 2. Same as A but this time with no NEW romance options to make development easier C) No new characters at all and the cast of ME3 being the combined cast of ME1 and 2 or just the cast of ME2. This would make it so that all dialogue would be continuing relationships from ME2 rather than starting new ones, making a continued romance with Tali the same as the rest of the crew's continuations. And finally the one no one really wants but would be the easiest and at least be something D) Tali has a cameo like Liara but much deeper with her and Shepard being able to continue the ralationship for just a single quest into a higher level. This would prevent you from hooking up with new squad members though. Once again these "cameo romance quests" would have to be for all romances in ME2 but only available to people who import the romance in from last game. Right now I see C and D being the most likely to happen considering they are the most realistic. And yeah it would suck to get D but at least it gives Tali and Shepard a chance for continued romance and wouldn't be too hard to put in the game.

Well that's it. Sorry again for the EXTREMELY long post but I just wanted to put this up there so people would have some options to imagine and push for rather than just hoping for Tali in ME3 and not ever thinking of options for it. Also this is partially a MESSAGE TO THE DEVELOPERS. I know I don't really know anything about how creating video games works but Im just doing my best to help you guys and to give more of a chance to Tali appearing in ME3. Thanks for your time if you read this and if you didn't I completely understand.

Yes but one thing that Bioware loves more than new characters is crafting deep narritive stories, and let's face it having returning LI's would make the story deeper and more engaging.

Of couse. And I whole heartedly agree with you. I think it would be a much deeper experience if you could continue your romance and its something I was hoping for since the first game. Im sure Bioware feels the same way too, I really believe they would love to put that in the game. However there are technical problems when it comest to doing this and it usually comes down to what they CAN do rather than what they WANT to do. Thats why I posted the solutions becuase I wanted to submit real ways that they can impliment what we all want. Trust me I really want Tali in ME3 as well and the reason I posted this was to help that happen.

[Cosmicinator]

Jake71887 wrote...

Sun's size doesn't matter no, but UV and other radiation that is allowed to penetrate the atmosphere does, and does directly affect the protection the skin would develop. As well as reaction to certain chemicals in the air, depending on exactly what there was.. There's no real way to predict how they'll look with how many variables there are int he way life evolves.

Yes, that's true, I can't say that I can predict their appearance, there are so many variables on the matter that there is a good chance I am utterly wrong.

Note that I have never said 'they will' or 'they have' I use only 'probably's and 'maybe's.

However, my speculation is founded upon the idea that there could be a link between Earth's higher mammals and Quarians, and my ideas do carry as much logic as many others, it's not up to me, it's just rudimentary speculation, there are stupider things than that...

...Personnel preference comes into it too, I ****ing hate tattoos. 

[cannedcream]

Das Wolfen wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

Well, your point are indeed good but in compare with the all dialogues in the game, one more tree for each of four LIs isn't so much.

True dat. Don't forget that Bioware's upcoming MMO for Spring 2011 is going to be full dialogue, They don't shy away from extensive scripts and voice acting.

No one should ever shy away from extensive scrips. Granted, they are not what makes a good game, but still.

Look at Saints Row 2, they had full length script for the main character that they recorded 8 different times, if I remember right.

BioWare adding on a little bit more for Tali would not really cause all that much trouble.

[CandraZ]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

CandraZ wrote...

Well I got GMOD today and downloaded the Tali model but can't for the life of me pose it...

I feel your pain...

I don't understand how some people get such complex poses, I just can't do it.

[MMA7FF]

RevanKun123 wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...
I take it you like the asari?

I think he like pretty much everything.

so than i have to ask jake..
if that volus from last night is right...
and all quarians have.. uh... dongs...
you still gonna like Tali? lol

[Jake71887]

Cosmicinator wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Sun's size doesn't matter no, but UV and other radiation that is allowed to penetrate the atmosphere does, and does directly affect the protection the skin would develop. As well as reaction to certain chemicals in the air, depending on exactly what there was.. There's no real way to predict how they'll look with how many variables there are int he way life evolves.

Yes, that's true, I can't say that I can predict their appearance, there are so many variables on the matter that there is a good chance I am utterly wrong.

Note that I have never said 'they will' or 'they have' I use only 'probably's and 'maybe's.

However, my speculation is founded upon the idea that there could be a link between Earth's higher mammals and Quarians, and my ideas do carry as much logic as many others, it's not up to me, it's just rudimentary speculation, there are stupider things than that...

...Personnel preference comes into it too, I ****ing hate tattoos. 

Your first post you said they will, but that aside... At this juncture we really have too little information on the matter, hence all the guesswork fan art...

And I love tattoos... Ah Jack 

[Corporal Quarian]

CandraZ wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

CandraZ wrote...

Well I got GMOD today and downloaded the Tali model but can't for the life of me pose it...

I feel your pain...

I don't understand how some people get such complex poses, I just can't do it.

It's tricky... make small and minor adjustments after putting her (or anything you are posing) in a general positio

Modifié par Corporal Quarian, 03 mars 2010 - 08:52 .

[Cosmicinator]

MMA7FF wrote...

so than i have to ask jake..
if that volus from last night is right...
and all quarians have.. uh... dongs...
you still gonna like Tali? lol

I'm not getting this reference, could I get a link to this infamous post?

[cutthecameras]

Jake71887 wrote...

And I love tattoos... Ah Jack 

Tattoos ftw

[Jake71887]

MMA7FF wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...
I take it you like the asari?

I think he like pretty much everything.

so than i have to ask jake..
if that volus from last night is right...
and all quarians have.. uh... dongs...
you still gonna like Tali? lol

Slurp, slurp, slurp...

Mordin: Do not advise... ingestion. 

[wolfstanus]

cannedcream wrote...

Das Wolfen wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

Well, your point are indeed good but in compare with the all dialogues in the game, one more tree for each of four LIs isn't so much.

True dat. Don't forget that Bioware's upcoming MMO for Spring 2011 is going to be full dialogue, They don't shy away from extensive scripts and voice acting.

No one should ever shy away from extensive scrips. Granted, they are not what makes a good game, but still.

Look at Saints Row 2, they had full length script for the main character that they recorded 8 different times, if I remember right.

BioWare adding on a little bit more for Tali would not really cause all that much trouble.

They allready did this for Tali in ME2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-DTCd45U4c&feature=PlayList&p=F000A5B1B77AC92F&index=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmOaxjhmVvE&feature=PlayList&p=F000A5B1B77AC92F&index=0

Modifié par wolfstanus, 03 mars 2010 - 08:55 .

[Cosmicinator]

Jake71887 wrote...
And I love tattoos... Ah Jack 

[cannedcream]

Cosmicinator wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Sun's size doesn't matter no, but UV and other radiation that is allowed to penetrate the atmosphere does, and does directly affect the protection the skin would develop. As well as reaction to certain chemicals in the air, depending on exactly what there was.. There's no real way to predict how they'll look with how many variables there are int he way life evolves.

Yes, that's true, I can't say that I can predict their appearance, there are so many variables on the matter that there is a good chance I am utterly wrong.

Note that I have never said 'they will' or 'they have' I use only 'probably's and 'maybe's.

However, my speculation is founded upon the idea that there could be a link between Earth's higher mammals and Quarians, and my ideas do carry as much logic as many others, it's not up to me, it's just rudimentary speculation, there are stupider things than that...

...Personnel preference comes into it too, I ****ing hate tattoos. 

This is why I would like to see 'a quarians' face, but never Tali's.
There's simply no way to do it without upsetting a lot of the fans.

[Felipe 058]

I here to support Tali (in more ways than one  )