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[intersect]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

No, guys. Sorry. There was an interview with Casey Hudson not long ago, and in that interview he said, "When we designed Tali for Mass Effect 1, she had been intended to be a Love interest. After seeing the final concept work, the Writers just didn't see people being attacted to her and her Chicken Feet." This was an audio interview done maybe a month or two ago. Also, he's said the same thing in other interviews. Also, before you try to toss it back into my face, I'll try and find the link.

I concur I concur! Btw how is having chicken feet any different from having a squid attached to your head?

I honestly could never get past the squid head thing, still.  I did enjoy the convo where the Turian, human, and Salarian are all arguing which speces asari most resemble, though.

[Collider]

cutthecameras wrote...
 it would feel logical, given how she seemed open to the possibility of linking suit environments in ME2.

I don't believe this is so. First of all, linking suits is not necessarily sexual or intimate. In fact, that's what Tali says if you're male shepard, she doesn't want linking suits to be misconstrued as something that has to be sexual. If it were always sexual or romantic, then Shael'Raen (Tali's "aunt") had a relationship with Tali's mother which would be...awkward (and obviously indicative that linking suits is not inherently romantic) There's a far divide between trust and romance.

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Sleepicub09 wrote...

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[Jake71887]

Jakegnosis wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

No, guys. Sorry. There was an interview with Casey Hudson not long ago, and in that interview he said, "When we designed Tali for Mass Effect 1, she had been intended to be a Love interest. After seeing the final concept work, the Writers just didn't see people being attacted to her and her Chicken Feet." This was an audio interview done maybe a month or two ago. Also, he's said the same thing in other interviews. Also, before you try to toss it back into my face, I'll try and find the link.

I concur I concur! Btw how is having chicken feet any different from having a squid attached to your head?

You don't have to make out with feet? 

Did you make out with the back of Liara's head?

Wait... Don't answer that. 

Ah, the old head tentacle fetish... Reminds me of my SWG days...


Come to think of it, that's not really a good thing 

[1490]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

No, guys. Sorry. There was an interview with Casey Hudson not long ago, and in that interview he said, "When we designed Tali for Mass Effect 1, she had been intended to be a Love interest. After seeing the final concept work, the Writers just didn't see people being attacted to her and her Chicken Feet." This was an audio interview done maybe a month or two ago. Also, he's said the same thing in other interviews. Also, before you try to toss it back into my face, I'll try and find the link.

I concur I concur! Btw how is having chicken feet any different from having a squid attached to your head?

Dude, that is the perfect analogy.  I salute you!

[Collider]

I've already seen and heard about the chicken feet thing, I can confirm that it's true.

[Goat_Shepard]

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

No, guys. Sorry. There was an interview with Casey Hudson not long ago, and in that interview he said, "When we designed Tali for Mass Effect 1, she had been intended to be a Love interest. After seeing the final concept work, the Writers just didn't see people being attacted to her and her Chicken Feet." This was an audio interview done maybe a month or two ago. Also, he's said the same thing in other interviews. Also, before you try to toss it back into my face, I'll try and find the link. 

I concur I concur! Btw how is having chicken feet any different from having a squid attached to your head?

You don't have to make out with feet? 

I mean on the Weirdness Factor. How is having chicken feet less "traditionally" creepy than tentacle-head?

1490 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

No, guys. Sorry. There was an interview with Casey Hudson not long ago, and in that interview he said, "When we designed Tali for Mass Effect 1, she had been intended to be a Love interest. After seeing the final concept work, the Writers just didn't see people being attacted to her and her Chicken Feet." This was an audio interview done maybe a month or two ago. Also, he's said the same thing in other interviews. Also, before you try to toss it back into my face, I'll try and find the link.

I concur I concur! Btw how is having chicken feet any different from having a squid attached to your head?

Dude, that is the perfect analogy.  I salute you!

lol thanks

[Jake71887]

Collider wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...
 it would feel logical, given how she seemed open to the possibility of linking suit environments in ME2.

I don't believe this is so. First of all, linking suits is not necessarily sexual or intimate. In fact, that's what Tali says if you're male shepard, she doesn't want linking suits to be misconstrued as something that has to be sexual. If it were always sexual or romantic, then Shael'Raen (Tali's "aunt") had a relationship with Tali's mother which would be...awkward (and obviously indicative that linking suits is not inherently romantic) There's a far divide between trust and romance.

She said that linking suits was the most intimate thing one quarian could do with another, while that in itself is open to interpretation, I can not think of one intimate thing I'd do with a platonic friend. 

[intersect]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

intersect wrote...
Ok, so i just re-listened to the interview, and it turns out... that he actually says both... lol

What? Please elaborate...I'm looking for dates, names, places.

Casey Hudson was on the Giant Bombcast on 1/19/2010

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Jake71887 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

intersect wrote...

1490 wrote...



Well they already put the dialogue into the game apparrently, so that tells me they wanted to do it, but pulled out for some reason. I think Bioware/EA is still afraid of crossing the boundary into "gay."  I mean, you can use the excuse for the Asari "Oh, they're not really women, they have no gender: they just look like women."  Therefore, they are not gay by romancing femshep, and femshep is not technically gay because an Asari could be considered a man or a woman.

Putting Tali, or any other character like Miranda or Kelly as a full romantic option for femshep would represent a true homosexual attraction, and I think they are to worried about the media catching that again and blowing it out of proportion.

Ever play Dragon Age: Origins?  They had no qualms about that or even prostitution offending people.  As far as I'm concerned, why not put all possible options in, its an rpg, let people play the role they want.

Maybe Mass Effect is more like 'their baby' and they want to present it to the largest audience possible without fear of getting ripped into by censors and news stations that don't know crap about crap?
Wish I could tell you.

Or maybe because sexuality in fantasy games is commonplace, and not so much in science fiction?

Elves are humans with long ears, dwarves are short human, but banging a blue monogendered species? That's just wrong!

Oh, Jake. You're one of my favorites. 

You're not going to rape me now are you? 

[1490]

Collider wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...
 it would feel logical, given how she seemed open to the possibility of linking suit environments in ME2.

I don't believe this is so. First of all, linking suits is not necessarily sexual or intimate. In fact, that's what Tali says if you're male shepard, she doesn't want linking suits to be misconstrued as something that has to be sexual. If it were always sexual or romantic, then Shael'Raen (Tali's "aunt") had a relationship with Tali's mother which would be...awkward (and obviously indicative that linking suits is not inherently romantic) There's a far divide between trust and romance.

Actually, I think she implied that the linking of the suits was associated with intimacy, because they only time they risk taking off their suits is to get down.  Think about it: if you could die anytime you took off your suit, you wouldn't do it just so you could chill with your bro in the hot tub

[RogueWriter3201]

cutthecameras wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

Cut, I think you're letting yourself be driven to fury over certain things that are not there. I 'did' mention that I could be wrong (you mentioned 'My' not paying attention to the dialogue) However, my viewpoint comes from all the Information from the Devs, Writers, etc concerning Tali. No where, in any of those source (check all the Wiki links) was there anything to indicate that Tali was intended to be a LI for females.

You recall the gay friend who was helping me with my Short Story? Her name's Gina, and I've known her since I was 14. She chimed in on this issue for me when this came up awhile back. She's played the game, and we've talked about Tali 'seeming' same Sex Oriented, and it was from her that I first heard, "I just don't see it." Based on the conversations we've had on the topic, and the information from the interviews, etc, I came to the conclusion that Tali was not meant to ever be Gay. Am I wrong? Possibly. Would I be upset over that? Only if it seemed Forced, which at this point it would.

I'm sorry Tali was not Gay. Hell, I think it's Horse-Crap they are NO Gay characters in ME2. I feel it would be short sighted if they did not at least give the Females players some same sex relationships in ME3. I just don't see Tali among them. 

*Edit* Given how fact this topic is flying, this comment might be a litter behind the curb.

I'm far from furious, but perhaps a bit overly-passionate. I said you were wrong-headed but only in your presumptions. It's extremely subjective to say a character in a game is straight. I mean. Jacob, for example. He is a love interest for female Shepard but there is really nothing there to suggest he isn't bisexual. Gay people don't have "Gay" written on their forehead. You simply wouldn't be able to tell.

I also have to disagree with you. Tali being open to romance for female Shepard in part 3 would not only not feel forced, it would feel logical, given how she seemed open to the possibility of linking suit environments in ME2. As I said before, Bioware seems incapable of making anything feel forced, not with the story-telling prowess they have displayed thus far.

I completely understand and respect your views. The benefits of having several Gay friends is that I don't suffer from having my head up my ass like Fox News. However, I listend to the audio files. And, to me, the Linking Suit dialogue sounds more sisterly when used with the Female Sheapard. I don't see the romantic undertones there. Again, I might be off the mark, I'm even tempted to call Gina, or another friend Sam, wake 'em up and have them listen to get thier views. Sadly, both would, and can (hangs head in shame) kick my ass for doing so. I'll have to wait. 'If' we see a Same Sex Tali in ME3, I for one will not become Irate about it. I will none the less feel it is out of place, but if Liz Sroka records the dialogue, it's there and that's that. So, I'm done with this topic. I hope, in the end, we just get ME3 soon and that 'everyone' will be as close to happy with it as possible.

[Jake71887]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

I mean on the Weirdness Factor. How is having chicken feet less "traditionally" creepy than tentacle-head?

Have you ever watched Shawshank Rdemption? It's not often one person looks at another's feet. :happy:

[cutthecameras]

Collider wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...
 it would feel logical, given how she seemed open to the possibility of linking suit environments in ME2.

I don't believe this is so. 

glenboy24 wrote...


I completely understand and respect your views. The benefits of having several Gay friends is that I don't suffer from having my head up my ass like Fox News. However, I listend to the audio files. And, to me, the Linking Suit dialogue sounds more sisterly when used with the Female Sheapard.

Alright guys.
not quoting verbatim here:

tali: "i havent forgotten what we talked about. later maybe? i think i said stupid about linking suit environment and...intimacy..and trust."
fem shep: "you have nothing to be embarassed about tali...i feel the same way about you"
tali: "i know..well...not that i know but i .....wow it's really hot in here."

Modifié par cutthecameras, 04 mars 2010 - 09:53 .

[HipHop402]

Im not entirely sure the only reason they decided not to use all the dialogue was because they where against same sex relationships, in fact it seems they really wanted to be forward about each characters personalities. For example earlier i heard someone say it would be difficult to make thane garrus or even jacob gay, their personalities seem to differ from someone who would be open to such things and making them gay would be contradictory to what they where working to achieve with that specific person. Have you ever stopped to think maybe Tali just isnt Bi? Liara and Ashley seem to have their own reasons individually for pursuing either a Male/Female relationship. Liara sees nothing wrong with it since her species is mono gendered and has been with the similar human type "Female" in the past because it was an only option with their race. Ash's motivations seem to be that, she is in fact not Lesbian or even Bi but "Loves Who She Loves" regardless of gender as long as they are human, seeing as she has opposition to other races.

Modifié par HipHop402, 04 mars 2010 - 09:53 .

[RogueWriter3201]

intersect wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

intersect wrote...
Ok, so i just re-listened to the interview, and it turns out... that he actually says both... lol

What? Please elaborate...I'm looking for dates, names, places.

Casey Hudson was on the Giant Bombcast on 1/19/2010

Jesus! Thank you Intersect. You're awesome. That was driving me nuts, I could not recall the website. Thank you.

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hey guys could use the numbers plz

social.bioware.com/poll.php


so go vote

[Goat_Shepard]

1490 wrote...

Collider wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...
 it would feel logical, given how she seemed open to the possibility of linking suit environments in ME2.

I don't believe this is so. First of all, linking suits is not necessarily sexual or intimate. In fact, that's what Tali says if you're male shepard, she doesn't want linking suits to be misconstrued as something that has to be sexual. If it were always sexual or romantic, then Shael'Raen (Tali's "aunt") had a relationship with Tali's mother which would be...awkward (and obviously indicative that linking suits is not inherently romantic) There's a far divide between trust and romance.

Actually, I think she implied that the linking of the suits was associated with intimacy, because they only time they risk taking off their suits is to get down.  Think about it: if you could die anytime you took off your suit, you wouldn't do it just so you could chill with your bro in the hot tub

So what exactly is this linkage of the suitage? You get in a Quarian suit and link forearms or breath in her face?

[Collider]

Jake71887 wrote...
She said that linking suits was the most intimate thing one quarian could do with another, while that in itself is open to interpretation, I can not think of one intimate thing I'd do with a platonic friend. 

You need to put this into perspective. Simply being in the prescense of another suit environment would be intimate for a quarian, because they are obviously in their suits all the time. The fact that it is the most intimate does not mean that it has to be intimate of a sexual nature, unless you believe that her aunt was getting it on with her mother.

[Jake71887]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

1490 wrote...

Collider wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...
 it would feel logical, given how she seemed open to the possibility of linking suit environments in ME2.

I don't believe this is so. First of all, linking suits is not necessarily sexual or intimate. In fact, that's what Tali says if you're male shepard, she doesn't want linking suits to be misconstrued as something that has to be sexual. If it were always sexual or romantic, then Shael'Raen (Tali's "aunt") had a relationship with Tali's mother which would be...awkward (and obviously indicative that linking suits is not inherently romantic) There's a far divide between trust and romance.

Actually, I think she implied that the linking of the suits was associated with intimacy, because they only time they risk taking off their suits is to get down.  Think about it: if you could die anytime you took off your suit, you wouldn't do it just so you could chill with your bro in the hot tub

So what exactly is this linkage of the suitage? You get in a Quarian suit and link forearms or breath in her face?

It's adapting to the air in another Quarian's suit... I think 

[1490]

glenboy24 wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

Cut, I think you're letting yourself be driven to fury over certain things that are not there. I 'did' mention that I could be wrong (you mentioned 'My' not paying attention to the dialogue) However, my viewpoint comes from all the Information from the Devs, Writers, etc concerning Tali. No where, in any of those source (check all the Wiki links) was there anything to indicate that Tali was intended to be a LI for females.

You recall the gay friend who was helping me with my Short Story? Her name's Gina, and I've known her since I was 14. She chimed in on this issue for me when this came up awhile back. She's played the game, and we've talked about Tali 'seeming' same Sex Oriented, and it was from her that I first heard, "I just don't see it." Based on the conversations we've had on the topic, and the information from the interviews, etc, I came to the conclusion that Tali was not meant to ever be Gay. Am I wrong? Possibly. Would I be upset over that? Only if it seemed Forced, which at this point it would.

I'm sorry Tali was not Gay. Hell, I think it's Horse-Crap they are NO Gay characters in ME2. I feel it would be short sighted if they did not at least give the Females players some same sex relationships in ME3. I just don't see Tali among them. 

*Edit* Given how fact this topic is flying, this comment might be a litter behind the curb.

I'm far from furious, but perhaps a bit overly-passionate. I said you were wrong-headed but only in your presumptions. It's extremely subjective to say a character in a game is straight. I mean. Jacob, for example. He is a love interest for female Shepard but there is really nothing there to suggest he isn't bisexual. Gay people don't have "Gay" written on their forehead. You simply wouldn't be able to tell.

I also have to disagree with you. Tali being open to romance for female Shepard in part 3 would not only not feel forced, it would feel logical, given how she seemed open to the possibility of linking suit environments in ME2. As I said before, Bioware seems incapable of making anything feel forced, not with the story-telling prowess they have displayed thus far.

I completely understand and respect your views. The benefits of having several Gay friends is that I don't suffer from having my head up my ass like Fox News. However, I listend to the audio files. And, to me, the Linking Suit dialogue sounds more sisterly when used with the Female Sheapard. I don't see the romantic undertones there. Again, I might be off the mark, I'm even tempted to call Gina, or another friend Sam, wake 'em up and have them listen to get thier views. Sadly, both would, and can (hangs head in shame) kick my ass for doing so. I'll have to wait. 'If' we see a Same Sex Tali in ME3, I for one will not become Irate about it. I will none the less feel it is out of place, but if Liz Sroka records the dialogue, it's there and that's that. So, I'm done with this topic. I hope, in the end, we just get ME3 soon and that 'everyone' will be as close to happy with it as possible.

I can understand where she's coming from too.  She's attracted to a character she really likes and who seems to like her to some degree, but is unable to pursue it because of the way they set the game up.  I think all of us at one point or another have had chemistry with someone we really wanted to be with but couldn't for whatever reason.  Hell, I think most of us felt that way with Tali in ME 1, lol.  My argument is that if Bioware wants to make Tali 100% straight, there should be no question about it just like the male NPC-male shep dialogue.  WIth what they put in the game, it's really up to your interpretation whether she is showing real interest or not, which is a bummer for the femsheps because it never happens.

[Jake71887]

Collider wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
She said that linking suits was the most intimate thing one quarian could do with another, while that in itself is open to interpretation, I can not think of one intimate thing I'd do with a platonic friend. 

You need to put this into perspective. Simply being in the prescense of another suit environment would be intimate for a quarian, because they are obviously in their suits all the time. The fact that it is the most intimate does not mean that it has to be intimate of a sexual nature, unless you believe that her aunt was getting it on with her mother.

I do not liken being there for childbirth, with the intimacy between two friends... It's more of an extenuating circumstance. 

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Goat_Shepard wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Just goes to show you: you make a character interesting and deep enough and the people are willing to look past the things that might labeled as 'weird' or 'different'.

Except Tali didn't really talk about herself in ME1, not NEARLY as much as ME2. It was the collaboration of VA and random bits of dialogue and boom Tali Love started. I like to think Bioware didn't plan too much on Tali in ME1 but their formula worked...as if they were drilling for water and found oil  yes I succeed at a metaphor.

Your metaphor has caused you to win Internets.

Anyway, I still think that we learn enough about Tali (as well as her race) to make her an interesting character, of coruse, her voice-actress does a great deal or bringing the character to life, too.
Personaly, I think BioWare ended up accidently creating one of teh best romances in videogaming because of this. Not only does it span the bridge of 2 games, but depending on how you play, Shepard and Tali can start off as friends,but then Tali starts to get a crush on you. She dosen't say anything because she knows that you would never love her back. However, after losing you, only to find that you're alive again two years later, she dares to take a risk with you. It's only a little flirting that could easily be glossed over or missed, but it's the best she dares to do. It's only when you openly ask if she's interested that she dares to talk about her feelings.

I just find the whole thing so darm romantic to look back on as a whole, even if it was by accident. Somehow it just seems to mean more than any of the other LI options.

[Collider]

cutthecameras wrote...
tali: "i havent forgotten what we talked about. later maybe? i think i said stupid about linking suit environment and...intimacy..and trust."
fem shep: "you have nothing to be embarassed about tali...i feel the same way about you"
tali: "i know..well...not that i know but i .....wow it's really hot in here."

Is that really in the final game without having to dig files - meaning, can be experienced the 360 version. I doubt it is. Having audio files that are unused in game proves nothing.

[Goat_Shepard]

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

I mean on the Weirdness Factor. How is having chicken feet less "traditionally" creepy than tentacle-head?

Have you ever watched Shawshank Rdemption? It's not often one person looks at another's feet. :happy:

So to me the Asari are creepier cuz you gotta stare at dat head all the time. And the back of it *shudders* I much prefer a bucket and possibly whatever's underneath the bucket too