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[MacGruber1986]

MMA7FF wrote...

does anyone lese find themselves going out of there way to protect Tali when shes in your squad and your in a fight or is that just me..?

I've actually done that, and been all "No! You can't take her!"

[1490]

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And how does this "adapting" process occur? Do you connect tubes at the wrist or summin?

I imagine at first it would be linking suits to get used to it and over the sickness, and then a clean room from there... Seems logical to slowly acclimate then just in feet first. 

Human beings have different strains and species of bacteria on their bodies at any given time.  Therefore it's possible to "give your germs" to someone else who doesn't normally have them and make them sick.  Normally that doesn't happen because most of us have good immune systems, but for quarians with their sh*tty immune systems, one person's bacteria could make another person really sick or even kill them.  The "acclimitizing" is probably a process of getting used to each other's normal flora (bacteria) so they don't make each other sick all the time.

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cannedcream wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

does anyone lese find themselves going out of there way to protect Tali when shes in your squad and your in a fight or is that just me..?

Oh, I do the same.
I use Unity EVERY time she goes down. For anyone else, I'll only do it if I need them.
If she runs out into the open, I'll do the same to draw fire, or use my biotics to clear a path.

lol I find myself drawing fire whenever any squad member runs out of cover.

[Jake71887]

Collider wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
Because it'd be stupid to say that you could have a relationship with someone early on, and then not have it later? Did you really just ask this? 

I don't think you understand. Kelly doesn't know the metagame of Mass Effect. There are other examples within the game where characters can express interest and have it come to nothing. Samara, Shiala, you name it.

That's expressed through conversation choices with those characters, whereas Kelly was giving you the retard guide of whom you can romance... Having her say Tali was interested,a nd then not fulfilling it would anger a lot of people. Presumably if they did plan a lesbian Tali and pulled it, then they'd pull the original Kelly dialogue as well... Assuming it ever got past the VAing stage. 

[madisk]

Collider wrote...

Also suspect if that Kelly does not say that Tali is interested in femshep. If she really was, why does Kelly not say so? Mass Effect is completely open to lesbian relationships, and given the fact that Kelly is both bisexual, open-minded, and the fact that Liara comes onto the female shepard and other examples, it stands to reason that Kelly would say something if it were indeed true.

Because it was cut out of the final game. The dialog was there. Bioware cut it. No reason to leave Kelly's reference there, either.

I still don't think there's any evidence that Tali wouldn't be interested in femshep, but the conditions would have to be right. I think I have more gay female friends than straight ones and they all started out with bisexual tendencies in their late teens. I don't see why a character like Tali couldn't develop romantic feelings towards femshep over the course of three games because it would take longer for her to adjust to the idea that she's developing feelings towards a human female. Or at least I hope that it's a possible route for that romance.

In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

[1490]

Lareit wrote...

1490 wrote...


I know what you mean, it's not definitive that connecting suits means you have to get it on.  But still, you wouldn't say to your heterosexual platonic friend: "we're good buddies now, let's connect suits just to show how much we trust each other," because that would be a great and unecessary risk.  Connect suits to me implies that you want to touch another person skin to skin: one good reason for that would be having a baby.  The other would be making love to someone.  

Willingness and actually doing it are two different things.

So why would Tali have the urge to connect suits with Shepard considering the risks if she didn't have some sort of attraction?

[Collider]

1490 wrote...

I know what you mean, it's not definitive that connecting suits means you have to get it on.  But still, you wouldn't say to your heterosexual platonic friend: "we're good buddies now, let's connect suits just to show how much we trust each other," because that would be a great and unecessary risk.

First of all, connecting suits has no real meaning for people in real life, because we don't live in suits. lol
Tali did not say "let's connect suits," she said that she would trust femShepard enough with her life. Like I said, I would trust my friend enough with my life, doesn't want mean I want to have sex with him.

Connect suits to me implies that you want to touch another person skin to skin: one good reason for that would be having a baby.  The other would be making love to someone. 

See, here's the problem. You are injecting sexuality into something that we know is not necessarily sexual. We don't know much about it at all.

[Jake71887]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And how does this "adapting" process occur? Do you connect tubes at the wrist or summin?

I imagine at first it would be linking suits to get used to it and over the sickness, and then a clean room from there... Seems logical to slowly acclimate then just in feet first. 

lol omg I imagine Shepard getting ready for Tali during those "2 hours till Omega 4 Relay" going at the cushions and pillows with Febrees trying to keep everything sterile 

Lol, well germs and bacteria on humans can't affect quarians beyond a general fever.... So I'm sure they weren't too worried beyond the immuno-boosters 

[RogueWriter3201]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And how does this "adapting" process occur? Do you connect tubes at the wrist or summin?

I imagine at first it would be linking suits to get used to it and over the sickness, and then a clean room from there... Seems logical to slowly acclimate then just in feet first. 

lol omg I imagine Shepard getting ready for Tali during those "2 hours till Omega 4 Relay" going at the cushions and pillows with Febrees trying to keep everything sterile 

Goat, Budda has a great Short Story that covers that moment. I would recommend reading it. And no, nothing tawdry.


http://social.biowar...1659/blog/2564/

[Collider]

1490 wrote...
So why would Tali have the urge to connect suits with Shepard considering the risks if she didn't have some sort of attraction?

Who said Tali had the urge? All she did was bring it up.

[MMA7FF]

cutthecameras wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

does anyone lese find themselves going out of there way to protect Tali when shes in your squad and your in a fight or is that just me..?

Oh, I do the same.
I use Unity EVERY time she goes down. For anyone else, I'll only do it if I need them.
If she runs out into the open, I'll do the same to draw fire, or use my biotics to clear a path.

lol I find myself drawing fire whenever any squad member runs out of cover.

Im doing grunts loyalty mission and a varren ran out and attacked Tali
and she let out this painful scream and i did storm and ran over and beat it to death with melee
"STAY AWAY FROM MY TALI!" haha then i shot it a few times for good measure

[Goat_Shepard]

glenboy24 wrote...

Geth, ok, I'm confused. In your initial statement, you said the devs said they never intended to make Tali a LI in ME1, where as I pointed out the Bombcast interview were Casey says they 'did' intend for her to be a LI in ME1, they just pulled out when the writers saw her Chicken Feet and thought we players would not be attracted to her. So...which did 'you' mean to say?

I'm curious, too. Is Casey multipersonality?

cannedcream wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

does anyone lese find themselves going out of there way to protect Tali when shes in your squad and your in a fight or is that just me..?

Oh, I do the same.
I use Unity EVERY time she goes down. For anyone else, I'll only do it if I need them.
If she runs out into the open, I'll do the same to draw fire, or use my biotics to clear a path.

Damn Husks try to rush her so I throw up Hardened Adrenalin and shoot all their legs out from under them.  Then I get rushed by Husks and get meleed nearly to death before Tali whips out her B*tch (shotgun) and blows THEIR legs off.
We're great in combat 

[Collider]

madisk wrote...
I still don't think there's any evidence that Tali wouldn't be interested in femshep, but the conditions would have to be right. I think I have more gay female friends than straight ones and they all started out with bisexual tendencies in their late teens. I don't see why a character like Tali couldn't develop romantic feelings towards femshep over the course of three games because it would take longer for her to adjust to the idea that she's developing feelings towards a human female. Or at least I hope that it's a possible route for that romance.

In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

I don't have a problem with Tali being a bisexual romance option in ME3, aside from wasting resources. I do have a problem with people assuming that Tali is interested in femshep in ME2 when we have ample evidence otherwise.

[cannedcream]

I know, I keep seeing people saying on other forums that the ME 1 LIs were better and I'm thinking "Dude, you haven't done Tali's romance, have you?"  Because the biggest difference between hers and the others is that (because of what you mentioned about) it's believable.  The more real it is, the more as you, the player, understand and connect with it.

I'm surprised you could read that through all the typos.
Efff, I'm getting tired and my brain is shutting down!
Anyway, yeah that's exactly what I was trying to say.
With Ash, I always got the feeling that it was a 'sper-of-the-moment' thing. Like she knew that they all could die at any moment and she simply didn't want to die alone.
With Liara it felt like she was always more intersted in the Protians than in you. Almost like, if you didn't have those visions, she'd never would have gotten that close.
Again, that's just the way I read it. There really is no one right answer, but I feel like (in both ME1 & 2) Tali is the one who really seems to need you.
Hell, she's willing to work with a Geth for you, that has to say something.

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Collider wrote...

1490 wrote...
So why would Tali have the urge to connect suits with Shepard considering the risks if she didn't have some sort of attraction?

Who said Tali had the urge? All she did was bring it up.

"oh by the way shepard, we could always link suits. not that i want to"
eh what?

Anyway. Dude. I don't expect you will ever like the idea but if Bioware makes her bi are you really gonna care? Just let them do what they want. I'm certainly open for any outcome in ME3, even if I can't romance her I'll be alright with that. As long as they give me any other LI that's a girl (that's right, straight guys have the benefit of choosing, I get stuck with someone I actually find attractive) I'll be happy.

[Jake71887]

Collider wrote...

madisk wrote...
I still don't think there's any evidence that Tali wouldn't be interested in femshep, but the conditions would have to be right. I think I have more gay female friends than straight ones and they all started out with bisexual tendencies in their late teens. I don't see why a character like Tali couldn't develop romantic feelings towards femshep over the course of three games because it would take longer for her to adjust to the idea that she's developing feelings towards a human female. Or at least I hope that it's a possible route for that romance.

In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

I don't have a problem with Tali being a bisexual romance option in ME3, aside from wasting resources. I do have a problem with people assuming that Tali is interested in femshep in ME2 when we have ample evidence otherwise.

You don't have ample evidence, you have personal opinion and supposition, same as the rest of us... 

[1490]

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And how does this "adapting" process occur? Do you connect tubes at the wrist or summin?

I imagine at first it would be linking suits to get used to it and over the sickness, and then a clean room from there... Seems logical to slowly acclimate then just in feet first. 

lol omg I imagine Shepard getting ready for Tali during those "2 hours till Omega 4 Relay" going at the cushions and pillows with Febrees trying to keep everything sterile 

Lol, well germs and bacteria on humans can't affect quarians beyond a general fever.... So I'm sure they weren't too worried beyond the immuno-boosters 

This is true: Tali couldn't even get sick from a lot of bacteria Shepard had because they eat byproducts of human metabolism, and humans and quarians eat different foods.  Human viruses would never make her sick because she doesn't have the right type of DNA for them to latch onto.  Her most likely chance of getting sick would be from a dextro-DNA bacteria that someone like Garrus could have brought aboard the ship, but he's not walking around in Shep's room, so that minimizes the chances greatly.

Also, she and Mordin talk about having allergic reactions to different types of tissue, but you get allergies because you have an overactive immune system: she has a sh*tty immune system, so an allergic reaction is much, much less likely than getting a standard infection.

In conclusion, it would be way safer for Tali to do it with Shep than with a male Quarian.

[VampireCommando]

HipHop402 wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

I cant belive tali has sooooooooooooooo many fans, i mean dont get me wrong tali's a great character and get cudoes like Garrus does for returning from the first game, and i'm not saying that tali is a bad character, quite the opposite in fact, but she deffantiy isnt my Fav. i just didnt expect her to have such a huge fan base, i always expeced it to be like Garrus Wrex and Ash but i just though i'd say i was amazed at how many fans tali has, but good work on the thread i mean 1472 pages i mean over 1000 pages f*ck me, over 1400 f*ck me sideways, but i guess you guys have kinda secured tali's place in ME3 aint ya.

OOHH!! A UNBIASED OPPINION FROM AN OUTSIDE VIEW xD an ashley fan even ^.^ Awesome!

what can i say my friend, i am very open minded to everything, not all Ash fans/ fanatics are space na zi's yano

Modifié par VampireCommando, 04 mars 2010 - 10:13 .

[Collider]

Jake71887 wrote...
That's expressed through conversation choices with those characters, whereas Kelly was giving you the retard guide of whom you can romance... Having her say Tali was interested,a nd then not fulfilling it would anger a lot of people.

This isn't different from the other ways that Shepard and other characters can express interest yet get rejected. You can express interest in Samara, but there is no romance. I did read that femshepard can say that she likes Jack, but Jack turns her down. Those players can get angry as well, but it's still in the game.

Presumably if they did plan a lesbian Tali and pulled it, then they'd pull the original Kelly dialogue as well... Assuming it ever got past the VAing stage. 

Personally what I see here is sloppy editing. They should have removed all the stuff that people are now viewing as ambiguous.

[1490]

Collider wrote...

madisk wrote...
I still don't think there's any evidence that Tali wouldn't be interested in femshep, but the conditions would have to be right. I think I have more gay female friends than straight ones and they all started out with bisexual tendencies in their late teens. I don't see why a character like Tali couldn't develop romantic feelings towards femshep over the course of three games because it would take longer for her to adjust to the idea that she's developing feelings towards a human female. Or at least I hope that it's a possible route for that romance.

In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

I don't have a problem with Tali being a bisexual romance option in ME3, aside from wasting resources. I do have a problem with people assuming that Tali is interested in femshep in ME2 when we have ample evidence otherwise.

There's no need to "have a problem" with it.  Don't play femshep and try to romance her and you'll never have to encounter it.

[RogueWriter3201]

Holy-crap. It's after 2 am here, and I've got work tommrrow (thank God it's an Afternoon Shift) So...I'm out. Night Talimancers. Oh! And, please, don't kill one-another over the same sex Topic. Remember, we're a Family. Disfunctional? Oh yes. But, a Family none the less when it comes to Loving Ms. Vas Normandy. (Pause) Did that sound wierd? If so...I really need to get to sleep. Night, folks.

Keelah Se'lai

[Collider]

Jake71887 wrote...
You don't have ample evidence, you have personal opinion and supposition, same as the rest of us... 

When I say evidence I don't mean it proves anything whatever way. I do think that the fact that kelly does not say Tali's interested is evidence that Tali may not be interested. But it's a bit of dead horse.

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Jake71887 wrote...

Collider wrote...

madisk wrote...
I still don't think there's any evidence that Tali wouldn't be interested in femshep, but the conditions would have to be right. I think I have more gay female friends than straight ones and they all started out with bisexual tendencies in their late teens. I don't see why a character like Tali couldn't develop romantic feelings towards femshep over the course of three games because it would take longer for her to adjust to the idea that she's developing feelings towards a human female. Or at least I hope that it's a possible route for that romance.

In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

I don't have a problem with Tali being a bisexual romance option in ME3, aside from wasting resources. I do have a problem with people assuming that Tali is interested in femshep in ME2 when we have ample evidence otherwise.

You don't have ample evidence, you have personal opinion and supposition, same as the rest of us... 

quoted for truth. 

[Jakegnosis]

Jake71887 wrote...

Collider wrote...

madisk wrote...
I still don't think there's any evidence that Tali wouldn't be interested in femshep, but the conditions would have to be right. I think I have more gay female friends than straight ones and they all started out with bisexual tendencies in their late teens. I don't see why a character like Tali couldn't develop romantic feelings towards femshep over the course of three games because it would take longer for her to adjust to the idea that she's developing feelings towards a human female. Or at least I hope that it's a possible route for that romance.

In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

I don't have a problem with Tali being a bisexual romance option in ME3, aside from wasting resources. I do have a problem with people assuming that Tali is interested in femshep in ME2 when we have ample evidence otherwise.

You don't have ample evidence, you have personal opinion and supposition, same as the rest of us... 

Precisely.  You interpret the evidence your way, others will interpret it in another way.  Saying that it's a given that Tali shows no romantic affection towards female Shepard is ridiculous.

[Lareit]

madisk wrote...



In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

L O freaking L

Actually Tali is probably the least likely lesbian of the 3 women due to her upbringing on the flotilla. Where sexual promiscuity is impossible to explore. Where standard family units of Man/Woman/Child are extreamly necessary to the stability of the fleet's population.

Jack for example already is bi. I have no idea why she wasn't a female LI too.

Frankly if I had the power to change ME2 I would.

Cut Grunt
Cut Zaeed
Cut Thane
Cut Samara/Morinth
Cut Legion as a Party Member, have him as a Wrex/Liara type dialogue heavy conversation options.

Make Jack Bisexual to even out romance options.

Use all the extra content by cutting those characters and limiting the amount of potential combos to encourage banter and better fleshed out stories for the remaining cast.

None of those characters bring a vital role that someone else doesn't already handle.