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[Goat_Shepard]

1490 wrote...
 Tali couldn't even get sick from a lot of bacteria Shepard had because they eat byproducts of human metabolism, and humans and quarians eat different foods.  Human viruses would never make her sick because she doesn't have the right type of DNA for them to latch onto.  Her most likely chance of getting sick would be from a dextro-DNA bacteria that someone like Garrus could have brought aboard the ship, but he's not walking around in Shep's room, so that minimizes the chances greatly.

Also, she and Mordin talk about having allergic reactions to different types of tissue, but you get allergies because you have an overactive immune system: she has a sh*tty immune system, so an allergic reaction is much, much less likely than getting a standard infection.

In conclusion, it would be way safer for Tali to do it with Shep than with a male Quarian.

Interesting read. Especially that last sentence. So why did Tali say "maybe I get a fever, maybe I'm out for a week, maybe it kills me"? She didn't have the immuno boosters but would it be THAT bad?

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 04 mars 2010 - 10:13 .

[herbie dog]

Hi my fellow Talimancers!
How are you all?

[Jake71887]

1490 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And how does this "adapting" process occur? Do you connect tubes at the wrist or summin?

I imagine at first it would be linking suits to get used to it and over the sickness, and then a clean room from there... Seems logical to slowly acclimate then just in feet first. 

lol omg I imagine Shepard getting ready for Tali during those "2 hours till Omega 4 Relay" going at the cushions and pillows with Febrees trying to keep everything sterile 

Lol, well germs and bacteria on humans can't affect quarians beyond a general fever.... So I'm sure they weren't too worried beyond the immuno-boosters 

This is true: Tali couldn't even get sick from a lot of bacteria Shepard had because they eat byproducts of human metabolism, and humans and quarians eat different foods.  Human viruses would never make her sick because she doesn't have the right type of DNA for them to latch onto.  Her most likely chance of getting sick would be from a dextro-DNA bacteria that someone like Garrus could have brought aboard the ship, but he's not walking around in Shep's room, so that minimizes the chances greatly.

Also, she and Mordin talk about having allergic reactions to different types of tissue, but you get allergies because you have an overactive immune system: she has a sh*tty immune system, so an allergic reaction is much, much less likely than getting a standard infection.

In conclusion, it would be way safer for Tali to do it with Shep than with a male Quarian.

Well, to be fair, ingesting Levo amino acids(Like tissue from Shepard) is possibly toxic... It would be the toxins that sent her into Anaphylactic shock, not her immune system. 

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glenboy24 wrote...

Holy-crap. It's after 2 am here, and I've got work tommrrow (thank God it's an Afternoon Shift) So...I'm out. Night Talimancers. Oh! And, please, don't kill one-another over the same sex Topic. Remember, we're a Family. Disfunctional? Oh yes. But, a Family none the less when it comes to Loving Ms. Vas Normandy. (Pause) Did that sound wierd? If so...I really need to get to sleep. Night, folks.

Keelah Se'lai

Keelah Se'lai 

Thanks for your time.

[Jake71887]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

1490 wrote...
 Tali couldn't even get sick from a lot of bacteria Shepard had because they eat byproducts of human metabolism, and humans and quarians eat different foods.  Human viruses would never make her sick because she doesn't have the right type of DNA for them to latch onto.  Her most likely chance of getting sick would be from a dextro-DNA bacteria that someone like Garrus could have brought aboard the ship, but he's not walking around in Shep's room, so that minimizes the chances greatly.

Also, she and Mordin talk about having allergic reactions to different types of tissue, but you get allergies because you have an overactive immune system: she has a sh*tty immune system, so an allergic reaction is much, much less likely than getting a standard infection.

In conclusion, it would be way safer for Tali to do it with Shep than with a male Quarian.

Interesting read. Especially that last sentence. So why did Tali say "maybe I get a fever, maybe I'm out for a week, maybe it kills me"? She didn't have the immuno boosters but would it be THAT bad?

Quarian bodies evolved to overreact to any foreign objects, that's the fever, and depending on what and how much of those objects that enter in her system, would determine the severity

[cannedcream]

MMA7FF wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

does anyone lese find themselves going out of there way to protect Tali when shes in your squad and your in a fight or is that just me..?

Oh, I do the same.
I use Unity EVERY time she goes down. For anyone else, I'll only do it if I need them.
If she runs out into the open, I'll do the same to draw fire, or use my biotics to clear a path.

lol I find myself drawing fire whenever any squad member runs out of cover.

Im doing grunts loyalty mission and a varren ran out and attacked Tali
and she let out this painful scream and i did storm and ran over and beat it to death with melee
"STAY AWAY FROM MY TALI!" haha then i shot it a few times for good measure

Oh man, her scream is HEARTBREAKING!
Everytime I hear that I'm like: "Who the $@#% is hurting my baby-girl?! I will murder their faces!"

[madisk]

Jake71887 wrote...

Collider wrote...

madisk wrote...
I still don't think there's any evidence that Tali wouldn't be interested in femshep, but the conditions would have to be right. I think I have more gay female friends than straight ones and they all started out with bisexual tendencies in their late teens. I don't see why a character like Tali couldn't develop romantic feelings towards femshep over the course of three games because it would take longer for her to adjust to the idea that she's developing feelings towards a human female. Or at least I hope that it's a possible route for that romance.

In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

I don't have a problem with Tali being a bisexual romance option in ME3, aside from wasting resources. I do have a problem with people assuming that Tali is interested in femshep in ME2 when we have ample evidence otherwise.

You don't have ample evidence, you have personal opinion and supposition, same as the rest of us... 

I don't think I was trying to come off as having evidence. I'm merely stating my observations, and voicing my personal preference - if there were a Tali romance for femshep, I'd rather see it in ME3, because it would make more sense to me from her character's standpoint.

[wolfstanus]

MacGruber1986 wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

does anyone lese find themselves going out of there way to protect Tali when shes in your squad and your in a fight or is that just me..?

I've actually done that, and been all "No! You can't take her!"

She is always on my team so I can keep an eye on her... also for the super awesome saves at the end... you save tali then she saves you

[Goat_Shepard]

Lareit wrote...

madisk wrote...



In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

L O freaking L

Actually Tali is probably the least likely lesbian of the 3 women due to her upbringing on the flotilla. Where sexual promiscuity is impossible to explore. Where standard family units of Man/Woman/Child are extreamly necessary to the stability of the fleet's population.

Jack for example already is bi. I have no idea why she wasn't a female LI too.

Frankly if I had the power to change ME2 I would.

Cut Grunt
Cut Zaeed
Cut Thane
Cut Samara/Morinth
Cut Legion as a Party Member, have him as a Wrex/Liara type dialogue heavy conversation options.

Make Jack Bisexual to even out romance options.

Use all the extra content by cutting those characters and limiting the amount of potential combos to encourage banter and better fleshed out stories for the remaining cast.

None of those characters bring a vital role that someone else doesn't already handle.

I concur. Never would of thought of cutting characters but I seriously would have loved that.

[somejah]

Surely they could change her sexuality for both femshep and male, I mean, if your male she can be straight, if your female she can be a lesbian, after al the storys wouldnt be affected to much because they should change slightly or so for either gender anyway.

[Angelraid]

glenboy24 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

intersect wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

intersect wrote...
Ok, so i just re-listened to the interview, and it turns out... that he actually says both... lol

What? Please elaborate...I'm looking for dates, names, places.

Casey Hudson was on the Giant Bombcast on 1/19/2010

He says that they werent expecting people to react like that becuase of the mask and chicken feet, but also clearly says they were designed to be LI's originally.

Geth, ok, I'm confused. In your initial statement, you said the devs said they never intended to make Tali a LI in ME1, where as I pointed out the Bombcast interview were Casey says they 'did' intend for her to be a LI in ME1, they just pulled out when the writers saw her Chicken Feet and thought we players would not be attracted to her. So...which did 'you' mean to say?

He says

"We didn't even intend those (he cut that sentence off but you know what he was gonna say), in fact the writers were worried, that you know, shes got chicken feet. shes got a mask. -seperate sentence here- Um you know people arent going to be interested in her as a love interesest so we werent expecting it, but they were. So those character obivously worked that way even though they weren't meant to.

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Goat_Shepard wrote...

Lareit wrote...

madisk wrote...



In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

L O freaking L

Actually Tali is probably the least likely lesbian of the 3 women due to her upbringing on the flotilla. Where sexual promiscuity is impossible to explore. Where standard family units of Man/Woman/Child are extreamly necessary to the stability of the fleet's population.

Jack for example already is bi. I have no idea why she wasn't a female LI too.

Frankly if I had the power to change ME2 I would.

Cut Grunt
Cut Zaeed
Cut Thane
Cut Samara/Morinth
Cut Legion as a Party Member, have him as a Wrex/Liara type dialogue heavy conversation options.

Make Jack Bisexual to even out romance options.

Use all the extra content by cutting those characters and limiting the amount of potential combos to encourage banter and better fleshed out stories for the remaining cast.

None of those characters bring a vital role that someone else doesn't already handle.

I concur. Never would of thought of cutting characters but I seriously would have loved that.

I think ME2 doesn't need anymore "cutting". Thank you very much.

[Xandurpein]

cannedcream wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Just goes to show you: you make a character interesting and deep enough and the people are willing to look past the things that might labeled as 'weird' or 'different'.

Except Tali didn't really talk about herself in ME1, not NEARLY as much as ME2. It was the collaboration of VA and random bits of dialogue and boom Tali Love started. I like to think Bioware didn't plan too much on Tali in ME1 but their formula worked...as if they were drilling for water and found oil  yes I succeed at a metaphor.

Your metaphor has caused you to win Internets.

Anyway, I still think that we learn enough about Tali (as well as her race) to make her an interesting character, of coruse, her voice-actress does a great deal or bringing the character to life, too.
Personaly, I think BioWare ended up accidently creating one of teh best romances in videogaming because of this. Not only does it span the bridge of 2 games, but depending on how you play, Shepard and Tali can start off as friends,but then Tali starts to get a crush on you. She dosen't say anything because she knows that you would never love her back. However, after losing you, only to find that you're alive again two years later, she dares to take a risk with you. It's only a little flirting that could easily be glossed over or missed, but it's the best she dares to do. It's only when you openly ask if she's interested that she dares to talk about her feelings.

I just find the whole thing so darm romantic to look back on as a whole, even if it was by accident. Somehow it just seems to mean more than any of the other LI options.

I agree. One of the things that makes Tali's romance work so well is that it does occur in part 2. The romance is about a quiet shy girl who for years has had a huge crush on her hero, who never seem notice her. And when you as Shepard realize this you litterally have known her for years. I have known Tali for two years of my life too, ever since ME1. This makes me wonder if there is any difference in opinion on Tali's romance between those who did play ME1 and those who only played ME2.

[1490]

Lareit wrote...

madisk wrote...



In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

L O freaking L

Actually Tali is probably the least likely lesbian of the 3 women due to her upbringing on the flotilla. Where sexual promiscuity is impossible to explore. Where standard family units of Man/Woman/Child are extreamly necessary to the stability of the fleet's population.

Jack for example already is bi. I have no idea why she wasn't a female LI too.

Frankly if I had the power to change ME2 I would.

Cut Grunt
Cut Zaeed
Cut Thane
Cut Samara/Morinth
Cut Legion as a Party Member, have him as a Wrex/Liara type dialogue heavy conversation options.

Make Jack Bisexual to even out romance options.

Use all the extra content by cutting those characters and limiting the amount of potential combos to encourage banter and better fleshed out stories for the remaining cast.

None of those characters bring a vital role that someone else doesn't already handle.

I'll be the devil's advocate here and say that because of the sheltered upbringing, she is more likely to be bisexual.  Most of us are straight because we've been raised to follow certain gender roles, like wearing certain types of clothes and liking certain activities.  By the same standard, we're tought what type of people we're supposed to be attracted to.  In the Flotilla, gender lines are blurred: people all wear the same type of suits, they all perform the same jobs and participate in the same activities.  They aren't likely tought to be masculine or feminine because they need to fill a variety of roles.  Tali is even more likely to be like this because her parents were less involved in her upbringing (at least we know her father was). 

[Collider]

Jakegnosis wrote...
Precisely.  You interpret the evidence your way, others will interpret it in another way.  Saying that it's a given that Tali shows no romantic affection towards female Shepard is ridiculous.

See, I never said this. I never said Tali shows no romantic affection. What I am saying is that I dislike people assuming that Tali is bisexual when what when we don't have conclusive evidence. What I did say is that in a practical sense, Tali is not bisexual.

[Jake71887]

Collider wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
That's expressed through conversation choices with those characters, whereas Kelly was giving you the retard guide of whom you can romance... Having her say Tali was interested,a nd then not fulfilling it would anger a lot of people.

This isn't different from the other ways that Shepard and other characters can express interest yet get rejected. You can express interest in Samara, but there is no romance. I did read that femshepard can say that she likes Jack, but Jack turns her down. Those players can get angry as well, but it's still in the game.

Presumably if they did plan a lesbian Tali and pulled it, then they'd pull the original Kelly dialogue as well... Assuming it ever got past the VAing stage. 

Personally what I see here is sloppy editing. They should have removed all the stuff that people are now viewing as ambiguous.

Someone telling you that that girl over there thinks your cute,a nd the girl herself saying it are two entirely different things. A crude analogy, but true enough anyway.

Going back and editing, rewriting, and rerecording VA is a lot of time and money wasted, easier to just chop it out.

[Jake71887]

madisk wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Collider wrote...

madisk wrote...
I still don't think there's any evidence that Tali wouldn't be interested in femshep, but the conditions would have to be right. I think I have more gay female friends than straight ones and they all started out with bisexual tendencies in their late teens. I don't see why a character like Tali couldn't develop romantic feelings towards femshep over the course of three games because it would take longer for her to adjust to the idea that she's developing feelings towards a human female. Or at least I hope that it's a possible route for that romance.

In short, IMO Tali is probably one of the most likely candidates for lesbian romance in ME, (along with maybe Jack), just because she's young and her sexual preferences haven't fully developed yet.

I don't have a problem with Tali being a bisexual romance option in ME3, aside from wasting resources. I do have a problem with people assuming that Tali is interested in femshep in ME2 when we have ample evidence otherwise.

You don't have ample evidence, you have personal opinion and supposition, same as the rest of us... 

I don't think I was trying to come off as having evidence. I'm merely stating my observations, and voicing my personal preference - if there were a Tali romance for femshep, I'd rather see it in ME3, because it would make more sense to me from her character's standpoint.

My response was to Collider, who did claim he had ample evidence. 

[Goat_Shepard]

Jake71887 wrote...
Quarian bodies evolved to overreact to any foreign objects, that's the fever, and depending on what and how much of those objects that enter in her system, would determine the severity

So since she says this after Shepard's like "You mean you could die if we were together?" she concludes that she could die from being with Shepard? I feel like a selfish ass for romancing her now 

[madisk]

Lareit wrote...

Actually Tali is probably the least likely lesbian of the 3 women due to her upbringing on the flotilla. Where sexual promiscuity is impossible to explore. Where standard family units of Man/Woman/Child are extreamly necessary to the stability of the fleet's population.

CITATION NEEDED

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somejah wrote...

Surely they could change her sexuality for both femshep and male, I mean, if your male she can be straight, if your female she can be a lesbian, after al the storys wouldnt be affected to much because they should change slightly or so for either gender anyway.

Hey look. Someone saying something that actually makes sense and has been said before. I forget what the counter to this is...hmm...oh right! "But if they had wanted to make her gay why didnt they just make her gay!?" or "But tali doesn't seem like the gay type!" ...or maybe "I want to believe Tali isn't bi for reasons too vague to disclose *faps*"

[Collider]

1490 wrote...
I'll be the devil's advocate here and say that because of the sheltered upbringing, she is more likely to be bisexual.  Most of us are straight because we've been raised to follow certain gender roles, like wearing certain types of clothes and liking certain activities.  By the same standard, we're tought what type of people we're supposed to be attracted to.  In the Flotilla, gender lines are blurred: people all wear the same type of suits, they all perform the same jobs and participate in the same activities.  They aren't likely tought to be masculine or feminine because they need to fill a variety of roles.  Tali is even more likely to be like this because her parents were less involved in her upbringing (at least we know her father was). 

I REALLY dislike this discussion, because it is using stereotypes to sexuality. Basically, what it amounts to is you using preconceived streotypes and conceptions to reason that a person is more likely to be bisexual. That's rather closeminded of you. I'm sure lesbians and bisexual women would be very offended if you tried to suggest that they were lesbian or bisexual because of a troubled childhood, instead of it just being a minor part of their personaltiy.

Modifié par Collider, 04 mars 2010 - 10:21 .

[Jake71887]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
Quarian bodies evolved to overreact to any foreign objects, that's the fever, and depending on what and how much of those objects that enter in her system, would determine the severity

So since she says this after Shepard's like "You mean you could die if we were together?" she concludes that she could die from being with Shepard? I feel like a selfish ass for romancing her now 

Hence the many options for letting her down... And my constant joking about letting Tali swallow, or femsheps having a tasty treat. 

[MMA7FF]

cannedcream wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

does anyone lese find themselves going out of there way to protect Tali when shes in your squad and your in a fight or is that just me..?

Oh, I do the same.
I use Unity EVERY time she goes down. For anyone else, I'll only do it if I need them.
If she runs out into the open, I'll do the same to draw fire, or use my biotics to clear a path.

lol I find myself drawing fire whenever any squad member runs out of cover.

Im doing grunts loyalty mission and a varren ran out and attacked Tali
and she let out this painful scream and i did storm and ran over and beat it to death with melee
"STAY AWAY FROM MY TALI!" haha then i shot it a few times for good measure

Oh man, her scream is HEARTBREAKING!
Everytime I hear that I'm like: "Who the $@#% is hurting my baby-girl?! I will murder their faces!"

haha EXACTLY
then i proceed to murder said attacker.. horribly:bandit:
and if anyone messes with my Tali I give em the ol' Renegade action (even tho im paragon)
No body messes with my girl haha

[1490]

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

1490 wrote...
 Tali couldn't even get sick from a lot of bacteria Shepard had because they eat byproducts of human metabolism, and humans and quarians eat different foods.  Human viruses would never make her sick because she doesn't have the right type of DNA for them to latch onto.  Her most likely chance of getting sick would be from a dextro-DNA bacteria that someone like Garrus could have brought aboard the ship, but he's not walking around in Shep's room, so that minimizes the chances greatly.

Also, she and Mordin talk about having allergic reactions to different types of tissue, but you get allergies because you have an overactive immune system: she has a sh*tty immune system, so an allergic reaction is much, much less likely than getting a standard infection.

In conclusion, it would be way safer for Tali to do it with Shep than with a male Quarian.

Interesting read. Especially that last sentence. So why did Tali say "maybe I get a fever, maybe I'm out for a week, maybe it kills me"? She didn't have the immuno boosters but would it be THAT bad?

Quarian bodies evolved to overreact to any foreign objects, that's the fever, and depending on what and how much of those objects that enter in her system, would determine the severity

That's simply the body's normal immune response to a foreign object.  A fever is a tool the body  uses to increase metabolism to fight infection and to eliminate the optimum temperature of microorganism reproduction.  If you eat dirt, your white blood cells will attack it.  However, that usually does the job, so you don't get a fever or "get sick" per se.  Someone with a crappy immune system would need all the help they could get to fight a foreign object, so she is more likely to "get sick" with a fever, stuffed sinuses and the like.  Hope that makes sense.

[Angelraid]

1490 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And how does this "adapting" process occur? Do you connect tubes at the wrist or summin?

I imagine at first it would be linking suits to get used to it and over the sickness, and then a clean room from there... Seems logical to slowly acclimate then just in feet first. 

Human beings have different strains and species of bacteria on their bodies at any given time.  Therefore it's possible to "give your germs" to someone else who doesn't normally have them and make them sick.  Normally that doesn't happen because most of us have good immune systems, but for quarians with their sh*tty immune systems, one person's bacteria could make another person really sick or even kill them.  The "acclimitizing" is probably a process of getting used to each other's normal flora (bacteria) so they don't make each other sick all the time.

As for quarian/quarian yes

but as for humans/quarian yes but not
Diseases dont jump species normally, and it would be even rarer to jump across different biochemestries as well
There is a reason why humans dont catch walnut blight.