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[Jake71887]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

so what are all you quarians up 2

Debating Tali's sexuality, and quarian biology regarding foreign material. 

[cannedcream]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
Hence the many options for letting her down... And my constant joking about letting Tali swallow, or femsheps having a tasty treat. 

But it's not the Renegade option, it's the Neutral option...Now THAT doesn't make sense cuz that's a toal Renegade action.

I have to (slightly) disagree.
Now, the Paragon thing to do would be to put her safty above your own wants and let her down gently to protect her. The Renegade would be to have lead her on for this long only to change your mind.
Neutral would be to know that you're risking her health, but not being able to control your own needs. While you're not putting her needs first, at the same time you're not really trying to hurt the girl.
I think it works.

[herbie dog]

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[Goat_Shepard]

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
Hence the many options for letting her down... And my constant joking about letting Tali swallow, or femsheps having a tasty treat. 

But it's not the Renegade option, it's the Neutral option...Now THAT doesn't make sense cuz that's a toal Renegade action.

I thought there were three options...

One was saying you wanted to go through with it, one to say you couldn't because of her condition, and yet another because you found one...

The condition one I believe was the renegade and made her kinda angry for having led her on.

Paragon is "No it's dangerous" Neutral is "Only if it's safe" Renegade is "No the Mission is too important". Not sure about the "leading her on" unless you're talking about turning her down at the Pounce scene which is painful to imagine 

I don't know, I only saw it in the dialogue compilation... Possible I got them mixed up at one point 

I wonder what Tali's dialogue is at the end-game if you didn't romance her...she obviously wouldn't like it if you gave the CB to TIM, but I wonder what she actually says. So many nuggets to be explored  I'm outa here guys and gals take care. You bring a lot of insight into this crazy ME universe! 

Keelah se'lai

[magnuskn]

Woah, nearing 1,5k pages. Impressive, most impressive.



I guess we are still the guinea pig for the mods as to how big threads the forum will support.



Say, did we pass now the page count of that South Park forum thread, which was mentioned in, uh, thread number one? Or was it two....?

[HipHop402]

herbie dog wrote...

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Blehh still like my edit better lol. ^.^

[1490]

Collider wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...
I gotta admit I didn't expect to hear that from you but you're right.

To clarify, I have nothing against bisexuals or homosexuals. I am an outlier in my entire family who think that homosexuality is the spawn of the devil.

Why on earth are you saying things like "Tali isn't bi" then? You have no evidence to support it outside of speculation, as others have said. I can speculate she is gay and I will. Same as you will likely continue speculating that she is straight. Makes absolutely no sense that this is even an issue.

I am saying that Tali is not bisexual in a practical sense, because she cannot be romanced as female shepard. I am not saying that she is bisexual in a literal, infallible sense, because that is basically impossible to say for certain, for ALL characters (who are straight romances) It is axiomatic that we do not know the exact details of every characters sexuality. So in that same way, I dislike people saying that Tali is outright, 100% bisexual, when at most we have ambiguous information. You can also put it into context of real life people, if people were assuming you were of a sexuality or sexual attraction that you were not, you may find offense or annoyment from it.

I wasn't trying to say that Tali is definitively bisexual: like you say, there is no way to tell for certain.  However, there is no definitive proof that she is not either, because we have not heard her say she is not interested in females or turn down a romantic pass from a female.  It's all just speculation and theoretical discussion on my part.

And hey, I wasn't trying to offend you with what I said before.  I was just trying to talk about gender roles and acceptance of homosexuality in society, not trying to "label" gay people.  I have three uncles and two cousins that are gay as well as several friends, and I have complete respect for them just like I would for any straight person.  I won't push that discussion further if you find it offensive.

[herbie dog]

HipHop402 wrote...

herbie dog wrote...

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Blehh still like my edit better lol. ^.^

Could you post it pls mate!

[Angelraid]

magnuskn wrote...

Woah, nearing 1,5k pages. Impressive, most impressive.

I guess we are still the guinea pig for the mods as to how big threads the forum will support.

Say, did we pass now the page count of that South Park forum thread, which was mentioned in, uh, thread number one? Or was it two....?

Not sure but I did get first post on page 1337

Thats right I'm gloating, what of it fool!

[Goat_Shepard]

herbie dog wrote...

HipHop402 wrote...

herbie dog wrote...

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Blehh still like my edit better lol. ^.^

Could you post it pls mate!

[Jake71887]

cannedcream wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
Hence the many options for letting her down... And my constant joking about letting Tali swallow, or femsheps having a tasty treat. 

But it's not the Renegade option, it's the Neutral option...Now THAT doesn't make sense cuz that's a toal Renegade action.

I have to (slightly) disagree.
Now, the Paragon thing to do would be to put her safty above your own wants and let her down gently to protect her. The Renegade would be to have lead her on for this long only to change your mind.
Neutral would be to know that you're risking her health, but not being able to control your own needs. While you're not putting her needs first, at the same time you're not really trying to hurt the girl.
I think it works.

Shepard, are you sure you want to do this?
     
     Yes, I love you Tali
_ /
    \\ 
     |---- No, there's too much at stake.
_  /
    \\
      *Rip her suit off*

[Collider]

[quote]madisk wrote...
Stereotypes exist for a reason.[/quote]
Try telling lesbian and bisexual women and men that stereotypes exist because they are true. TRY THAT. You won't get a good response.

[quote]We're all partly conditioned by our upbringing. Tali's an intelligent individual, with intelligence usually comes open-mindedness and a willing to explore the unknown.[/quote]
That still does not mean anything. Plenty of people have experimented with their sexuality and have found that they are not bisexual, straight, or homosexual. Tali can't even experiment with it.

[quote]I can't find a convincing reason why to think she couldn't develop romantic feelings towards a female. [/quote]
No one is saying that she CAN'T be bisexual. But to say that she is more or less likely to be bisexual is pure bull****. This is a fictional society.

I'm straight but I can't say I've never been bi-curious. It's partly due to my personality but I'm confident that it's largely due to my upbringing.[/quote]
Everyone reacts differently to their environment. To say that a fictional society warrants more or less likeliness for bisexuality is just grasping at straws. We don't know that much about Quarian society, biology, and society to say anything like "more or less likely to be bisexual." however, for evolution, it is more convenient that the majority of the population is attracted to the opposite sex, and that includes heterosexuality.

[quote]Anyway, what matters is that ME is a role-playing game and as long as there could be a plausible explanation for a character to have bisexual tendencies then Bioware should include it. Nothing in ME1 or ME2 absolutely rules out that Tali would have bisexual tendencies.
[/quote]
Disagree. Any character can be written as bisexual. Doesn't mean that they should be bisexual.

Modifié par Collider, 04 mars 2010 - 10:39 .

[cutthecameras]

Collider wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...
I gotta admit I didn't expect to hear that from you but you're right.

To clarify, I have nothing against bisexuals or homosexuals. I am an outlier in my entire family who think that homosexuality is the spawn of the devil.

Why on earth are you saying things like "Tali isn't bi" then? You have no evidence to support it outside of speculation, as others have said. I can speculate she is gay and I will. Same as you will likely continue speculating that she is straight. Makes absolutely no sense that this is even an issue.

I am saying that Tali is not bisexual in a practical sense, because she cannot be romanced as female shepard. I am not saying that she is bisexual in a literal, infallible sense, because that is basically impossible to say for certain, for ALL characters (who are straight romances) It is axiomatic that we do not know the exact details of every characters sexuality. So in that same way, I dislike people saying that Tali is outright, 100% bisexual, when at most we have ambiguous information. You can also put it into context of real life people, if people were assuming you were of a sexuality or sexual attraction that you were not, you may find offense or annoyment from it.

Well alright then.

We agree that it's rude to shove a label on someone. In my eyes her sexuality hasn't been set in stone, so I scoff at those that say making her bi would feel "forced" but that's as far as I go in telling others they are wrong. You simply can't assume anything about anyone and we both seem to be clear on that.

[Angelraid]

1490 wrote...

Collider wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...
I gotta admit I didn't expect to hear that from you but you're right.

To clarify, I have nothing against bisexuals or homosexuals. I am an outlier in my entire family who think that homosexuality is the spawn of the devil.

Why on earth are you saying things like "Tali isn't bi" then? You have no evidence to support it outside of speculation, as others have said. I can speculate she is gay and I will. Same as you will likely continue speculating that she is straight. Makes absolutely no sense that this is even an issue.

I am saying that Tali is not bisexual in a practical sense, because she cannot be romanced as female shepard. I am not saying that she is bisexual in a literal, infallible sense, because that is basically impossible to say for certain, for ALL characters (who are straight romances) It is axiomatic that we do not know the exact details of every characters sexuality. So in that same way, I dislike people saying that Tali is outright, 100% bisexual, when at most we have ambiguous information. You can also put it into context of real life people, if people were assuming you were of a sexuality or sexual attraction that you were not, you may find offense or annoyment from it.

I wasn't trying to say that Tali is definitively bisexual: like you say, there is no way to tell for certain.  However, there is no definitive proof that she is not either, because we have not heard her say she is not interested in females or turn down a romantic pass from a female.  It's all just speculation and theoretical discussion on my part.

And hey, I wasn't trying to offend you with what I said before.  I was just trying to talk about gender roles and acceptance of homosexuality in society, not trying to "label" gay people.  I have three uncles and two cousins that are gay as well as several friends, and I have complete respect for them just like I would for any straight person.  I won't push that discussion further if you find it offensive.

If theres no definative proof one way or the other than the odds are that shes not cuase the majority of the population isnt. Simple numbers.

Just sayin.

[Jake71887]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
I wonder what Tali's dialogue is at the end-game if you didn't romance her...she obviously wouldn't like it if you gave the CB to TIM, but I wonder what she actually says. So many nuggets to be explored  I'm outa here guys and gals take care. You bring a lot of insight into this crazy ME universe! 

Keelah se'lai

Everyone has one line.. "Blah blah, bad idea, but you're the commander, blah blah"

[HipHop402]

herbie dog wrote...

HipHop402 wrote...

herbie dog wrote...

Blehh still like my edit better lol. ^.^

Could you post it pls mate!

[HipHop402]

AHH GOAT!! BEAT ME ON THE DRAW!!! lol

[Collider]

1490 wrote...
However, in societies that have a greater tolerance toward the expansion of gender roles and towards homosexuality, there are more people who are openly gay or acknowledge same-sex attractions.

We have NO idea the Quarians attitude towards same sex relations. I am glad you are retreating from bull****ting about what makes people less or more likely to be bisexual, though.

[1490]

Jake71887 wrote...

1490 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

1490 wrote...
 Tali couldn't even get sick from a lot of bacteria Shepard had because they eat byproducts of human metabolism, and humans and quarians eat different foods.  Human viruses would never make her sick because she doesn't have the right type of DNA for them to latch onto.  Her most likely chance of getting sick would be from a dextro-DNA bacteria that someone like Garrus could have brought aboard the ship, but he's not walking around in Shep's room, so that minimizes the chances greatly.

Also, she and Mordin talk about having allergic reactions to different types of tissue, but you get allergies because you have an overactive immune system: she has a sh*tty immune system, so an allergic reaction is much, much less likely than getting a standard infection.

In conclusion, it would be way safer for Tali to do it with Shep than with a male Quarian.

Interesting read. Especially that last sentence. So why did Tali say "maybe I get a fever, maybe I'm out for a week, maybe it kills me"? She didn't have the immuno boosters but would it be THAT bad?

Quarian bodies evolved to overreact to any foreign objects, that's the fever, and depending on what and how much of those objects that enter in her system, would determine the severity

That's simply the body's normal immune response to a foreign object.  A fever is a tool the body  uses to increase metabolism to fight infection and to eliminate the optimum temperature of microorganism reproduction.  If you eat dirt, your white blood cells will attack it.  However, that usually does the job, so you don't get a fever or "get sick" per se.  Someone with a crappy immune system would need all the help they could get to fight a foreign object, so she is more likely to "get sick" with a fever, stuffed sinuses and the like.  Hope that makes sense.

Quarians developed an overprotective reaction to foreign objects though, because of the absence of insects on their planet, and basically having that floral matter piggyback on them. Otherwise you are a 100% right about the fevers and such, though the tissue digestion would still result in the toxin affecting primarily her blood vessels and sending her body into Anaphylactic shock as Mordin suggested.

Anaphylactic shock is actually kind of incorrect term because that implies an allergic reaction from an overactive immune system response.  Anaphylaxis is the movement of blood away from the organs into the periphery that creates a "distributive shock" of the brain, as well as swelling of the bronchioles from inflammation that prevents breathing.  Tali injecting foreign "Shep matter" would be just straight "toxicity", that her blood would fill with toxic foreign compounds that would collect in her brain and other vital organs and cause tissue damage.

Anyway, nobody probably thinks about this stuff but me, so it's probably irrelevant, lol

[somejah]

Jake71887 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
Hence the many options for letting her down... And my constant joking about letting Tali swallow, or femsheps having a tasty treat. 

But it's not the Renegade option, it's the Neutral option...Now THAT doesn't make sense cuz that's a toal Renegade action.

I have to (slightly) disagree.
Now, the Paragon thing to do would be to put her safty above your own wants and let her down gently to protect her. The Renegade would be to have lead her on for this long only to change your mind.
Neutral would be to know that you're risking her health, but not being able to control your own needs. While you're not putting her needs first, at the same time you're not really trying to hurt the girl.
I think it works.

Shepard, are you sure you want to do this?
     
     Yes, I love you Tali
_ /
    \\\\ 
     |---- No, there's too much at stake.
_  /
    \\\\
      *Rip her suit off*

Hmm, whats the last one? Horny choice?

[MMA7FF]

aight everyone its been good talkin with you keep the thread rolling and keep speadin the love

Keelah se'lai comrades

[herbie dog]

HipHop402 wrote...

AHH GOAT!! BEAT ME ON THE DRAW!!! lol

Nice picture mate

[HipHop402]

MMA7FF wrote...

aight everyone its been good talkin with you keep the thread rolling and keep speadin the love
Keelah se'lai comrades

Keelah s... ahh w.e just take urr tired ass to sleep lol be sure to come back if insomnia sets in @.@ 

[1490]

Collider wrote...

1490 wrote...
However, in societies that have a greater tolerance toward the expansion of gender roles and towards homosexuality, there are more people who are openly gay or acknowledge same-sex attractions.

We have NO idea the Quarians attitude towards same sex relations. I am glad you are retreating from bull****ting about what makes people less or more likely to be bisexual, though.

What I meant is that if she was bisexual, it would be more likely to be tolerated in a society with open ideas about gender roles, not that I thought being in Quarian society "mad her gay" so to speak.  Again, I wasn't trying to offend, I was just trying to have an interesting discussion, sorry if it upset you.

[Goat_Shepard]

HipHop402 wrote...

AHH GOAT!! BEAT ME ON THE DRAW!!! lol

lol just shows how good that damn picture is. DAT HOURGLASS!