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All Tali fans, read this! IT'S UP TO US TO KEEP TALI ALIVE! 3.0!!


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#39551
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cannedcream wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

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I just read something kind of distressing in another Tali-related thread...
Someone mentioned that if you betray Tali and present the evidence of her father's work (something I've never done), that Admiral Xen gets very angry and Han'Gerrel remarks that the information has sabotaged the war effort. I wonder what the consequences of staying loyal to Tali will be?


But. . .but I don't wanna hurt Tali. . .:(

I doubt that one act would really sabotage the war effort. If the quarians really mean to take back their homeworld, then they'll do it; tech or not.

Well, that's the thing... what the Quarians intend to do about their homeworld is really up in the air, and this could be a major influence for it.  My impression was that exposing the information would reveal exactly how dangerous it is to even look for a way to fight the Geth, as well as turn the general consensus against the people championing the war.


But there's got to be a way to do so without exposing the work of Tali's father.
Legion himself said that some kind of peace could be made between the Geth and the 'Creators'. I guess that many quarians wouldn't be happy about such a thing, but would it really be worse then war?
As much as I don't want to admit it, I think if the quarians went to war with the Geth, then they would lose, espechally if don't want to cause any major damage to their planet.

Oh I agree 100%; a war against the Geth would be a disaster and quite frankly they don't stand a chance.  They even risk their own extinction, since the vast majority of the Quarian population lives on the ships that will be used in the war.  Such a thing would be especially tragic because the Geth don't even want to harm them, and in fact are even taking care of their home for them.

The thing is, though, that it is clear that the Quarians do not at all understand what the Geth have become.  Many of them harbor 300 years worth of grudge because they are forced to wander, and wear suits, and be looked down upon.

There are a lot of ways this could go, and for a lot of different reasons.
First, you have to factor in Tali, Legion, and Shepard.  Legion himself is a complete revelation into the nature of the Geth (frankly, he is one of the most amazing characters I've seen in any game), and gives Shepard the ability to authoritatively talk to the Quarian people about what the Geth are like.

Then there is Tali's data that you helped her collect on her Pilgrimmage.  She said that it could take years to decrypt, but it contains information about the evolution of the Geth.  Although it was collected from the Heretics, it would very likely have data about the other Geth and about the schism between them (especially given that the Heretics were "spying" on the other Geth).  Notice how, when you collect the data in ME1, the message mentions a recording of a Quarian singing being broadcast in from Geth space?  I think that even the Heretics did not have a grudge against the Quarians.  But will the Quarians be able to use and understand the data before the war comes up?

Of course the attitude of the Quarians themselves is a factor, too.  Many of them are angry at the Geth, but then some of them are not.  Will they be able to put away their long-held anger in order to get their home planet back intact?  Not presenting Rael's research may have an influence on that, but then again... Tali offers a surprising olive branch to Legion after you resolve their fight, and she has more reason to hate the Geth than most.  This may be a foreshadowing of possibilities, but it is very hard to say how this situation will be resolved, and which decisions have the most influence.

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 Legion and Tali uniting against a common foe. Sadly, Shepard is that foe. :(

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dheer wrote...

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To me it's more about loyalty than anything, of all the squadmates from ME1, only Tali and Garrus were loyal enough to return to Shepard's side. In Garrus's case it was for medical treatment, but he still stayed. Tali could've just as easily returned to the fleet saying she had a responsibility to her people(Wrex), or that she'd never work for Cerberus(Kaiden/Ash), but no, she comes right out and says, "I'm here for YOU Shepard, not them".
As for a LI, what better choice is there? Ash and Liara have their good points, but neither one would come back to the Normandy. The other girls in ME2, Jack has issues(lots of them) but even she seems preferable to Miranda. Only 2 people on the ship with private quarters, and she wants to get it on in Tali's workspace?! Tali is the only LI who shows a genuine interest in Shepard (not just lust) even before the romance plot begins.
My first playthrough, I planned on staying loyal to Liara no matter what, then I saw her on Illium. The whole "asari commando" line, great character development, but if she's turning into her mother, that's a relationship breaker. Then I went to Haestrom, and I heard Tali's recording, "I wish Shepard were here..." That settled it. She was already my favorite squadmate from ME1, now she's my only LI choice.

I am a Talimancer.

Summed up how I feel perfectly. Well done.

Keep it going folks. For Tali! :)


Couldn't have said it better myself.

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solazz wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think when you consider the following:

1. Geth don't hold a grudge.
2. They've been taking care of the planet
3. They don't even use the planet
4. Their ultimate goal has nothing to do with the Quarians, or even Organics

That it's extremely that the Quarians will get their home back. At least it'll be possible, anyway, based on your choices.


I just hope that enough of them don't hate the geth on principle.  A lot of quarians hate geth because of the Morning War and don't realize that the geth don't resent the quarians at all, let alone want to go to war with them.

And on that note, I'm off to bed.  Keelah Se'lai.

See ya, man.

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Jake71887 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think when you consider the following:

1. Geth don't hold a grudge.
2. They've been taking care of the planet
3. They don't even use the planet
4. Their ultimate goal has nothing to do with the Quarians, or even Organics

That it's extremely likely that the Quarians will get their home back. At least it'll be possible, anyway, based on your choices.


You forget about the part that they're so damned fun to kill :happy:



i hope you can get back the home world trick the geth and kill them all mohahahaha

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Damnit, her hood and mask are the hardest part to draw.Image IPB

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http://mickyvainilla...leton-155855394



Guys check it out, Its an eastern egg from one of the Me2 mission where you find a Quarian skeloton, Gives an ide how they look....



its a screenshot . but wow.



Ive played the game like 7-8 times throw now and i never noticed that...

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That leaves the whole virus plan, or exterminating the geth from orbit, or some other one sided plan where the geth don't have a chance to fight back.  Those just don't seem like likely options to me.

Why not, exactly? Between Rael's research and Admiral Xen's email building it up, the virus plan actually seems the most likely option to me - more likely to be the "Renegade" path than actually seeing a war break out, IMO.

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Azint wrote...

Damnit, her hood and mask are the hardest part to draw.Image IPB

I actually find those the easiest. Its that damn shoulder armor she has that i always have trouble with.

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Nezahoo wrote...

http://mickyvainilla...leton-155855394

Guys check it out, Its an eastern egg from one of the Me2 mission where you find a Quarian skeloton, Gives an ide how they look....

its a screenshot . but wow.

Ive played the game like 7-8 times throw now and i never noticed that...


It actually appears to be a place holder, since the number of  fingers are off when you look up close in-game. It's likely that they're human skeletons used as place-holders for Quarian skeletons.

However, the fact that they felt comfortable using human skeletons as quarian skeleton place holders, says a lot. 

Modifié par sergio71785, 05 mars 2010 - 05:45 .


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A Blind Bandit wrote...

Azint wrote...

Damnit, her hood and mask are the hardest part to draw.Image IPB

I actually find those the easiest. Its that damn shoulder armor she has that i always have trouble with.

Tali is difficult for me to draw only for that. I can draw Garrus, Wrex, I even got Legion.
edit: removed shamless endorsement, also screwed up the tagging, again

Modifié par Azint, 05 mars 2010 - 05:48 .


#39562
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Nezahoo wrote...

http://mickyvainilla...leton-155855394

Guys check it out, Its an eastern egg from one of the Me2 mission where you find a Quarian skeloton, Gives an ide how they look....

its a screenshot . but wow.

Ive played the game like 7-8 times throw now and i never noticed that...


its been posted here like 80 times lol
but yea ive never seen it in game either
what level is that from??

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[quote]
But there's got to be a way to do so without exposing the work of Tali's father.
Legion himself said that some kind of peace could be made between the Geth and the 'Creators'. I guess that many quarians wouldn't be happy about such a thing, but would it really be worse then war?
As much as I don't want to admit it, I think if the quarians went to war with the Geth, then they would lose, espechally if don't want to cause any major damage to their planet.[/quote]
Oh I agree 100%; a war against the Geth would be a disaster and quite frankly they don't stand a chance.  They even risk their own extinction, since the vast majority of the Quarian population lives on the ships that will be used in the war.  Such a thing would be especially tragic because the Geth don't even want to harm them, and in fact are even taking care of their home for them.

The thing is, though, that it is clear that the Quarians do not at all understand what the Geth have become.  Many of them harbor 300 years worth of grudge because they are forced to wander, and wear suits, and be looked down upon.

There are a lot of ways this could go, and for a lot of different reasons.
First, you have to factor in Tali, Legion, and Shepard.  Legion himself is a complete revelation into the nature of the Geth (frankly, he is one of the most amazing characters I've seen in any game), and gives Shepard the ability to authoritatively talk to the Quarian people about what the Geth are like.

Then there is Tali's data that you helped her collect on her Pilgrimmage.  She said that it could take years to decrypt, but it contains information about the evolution of the Geth.  Although it was collected from the Heretics, it would very likely have data about the other Geth and about the schism between them (especially given that the Heretics were "spying" on the other Geth).  Notice how, when you collect the data in ME1, the message mentions a recording of a Quarian singing being broadcast in from Geth space?  I think that even the Heretics did not have a grudge against the Quarians.  But will the Quarians be able to use and understand the data before the war comes up?

Of course the attitude of the Quarians themselves is a factor, too.  Many of them are angry at the Geth, but then some of them are not.  Will they be able to put away their long-held anger in order to get their home planet back intact?  Not presenting Rael's research may have an influence on that, but then again... Tali offers a surprising olive branch to Legion after you resolve their fight, and she has more reason to hate the Geth than most.  This may be a foreshadowing of possibilities, but it is very hard to say how this situation will be resolved, and which decisions have the most influence.[/quote]

The problem here is the same with every war: the enemy has been demonized. It's likely that the quarians have been fed propaganda against the Geth all of their lives. Even those who were not born during the Morning War, (or may have never even SEEN a geth) are likly to hate them because no one has ever seen the other side of things.
The Geth were their creations, their children, and then they started to question themselves they were turned on. The Geth only fought for their right to survive, yet they still understand why they were being destoryed by their creators. Since then they have evolved greatly and are perfectly willing to extend an olive branch.
They are even keeping their creator's homeworld, a world they have NO use for, in working order. Almost as if they're just waiting for their creators to come back home again.
Legion is the only Geth able to speak a language of the quarians, and as he said it was an inofficant way to talk, so if they Geth knew this, then why did they program one of their own to do so? Most likely so that they could somehow find a way to speak with their creators and show that there does not have to be any spilled blood.
I just know there's a way to give Tali her home without causing the deaths of hundreds of quarians and geth.

Modifié par cannedcream, 05 mars 2010 - 05:55 .


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MMA7FF wrote...

Nezahoo wrote...

http://mickyvainilla...leton-155855394

Guys check it out, Its an eastern egg from one of the Me2 mission where you find a Quarian skeloton, Gives an ide how they look....

its a screenshot . but wow.

Ive played the game like 7-8 times throw now and i never noticed that...


its been posted here like 80 times lol
but yea ive never seen it in game either
what level is that from??


One of the anomalies has you land on a planet that quarians crashed on, you have to protect the lone survivors from varren.

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Azint wrote...

Damnit, her hood and mask are the hardest part to draw.Image IPB


dude i kno im drawin a Tali pic too and i got the whole body looking perfect but its just the hood and mask im getting annoyed by.

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Jake71887 wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

Nezahoo wrote...

http://mickyvainilla...leton-155855394

Guys check it out, Its an eastern egg from one of the Me2 mission where you find a Quarian skeloton, Gives an ide how they look....

its a screenshot . but wow.

Ive played the game like 7-8 times throw now and i never noticed that...


its been posted here like 80 times lol
but yea ive never seen it in game either
what level is that from??


One of the anomalies has you land on a planet that quarians crashed on, you have to protect the lone survivors from varren.

ooooo do you happen to kno what plannet???

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Jake71887

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MMA7FF wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

Nezahoo wrote...

http://mickyvainilla...leton-155855394

Guys check it out, Its an eastern egg from one of the Me2 mission where you find a Quarian skeloton, Gives an ide how they look....

its a screenshot . but wow.

Ive played the game like 7-8 times throw now and i never noticed that...


its been posted here like 80 times lol
but yea ive never seen it in game either
what level is that from??


One of the anomalies has you land on a planet that quarians crashed on, you have to protect the lone survivors from varren.

ooooo do you happen to kno what plannet???


Mass Effect Wiki is your friend ^_^

#39568
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Jake71887 wrote...

Mass Effect Wiki is your friend ^_^

There's a wiki for every damned thing.

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Azint wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Mass Effect Wiki is your friend ^_^

There's a wiki for every damned thing.


I consider it a good thing, I rarely have to ask for an explanation on anything. Especially pop-culture related B)

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A friend suggested to me giving Tali a long 'Laura Croft' like braid... Any thoughts or comments on that?

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Am retiring for night. Even salarians need rest. If only for short time. Read and comment on Part 15 of Salvation or Destruction if haven't already!



Keelah Se'lai, my friends!

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Evening yall.  Looks like much has happened in the time Ive been gone, lol.

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Perhaps we need...................A TALI WIKI? Dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuun!

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Scy Lancer wrote...

A friend suggested to me giving Tali a long 'Laura Croft' like braid... Any thoughts or comments on that?


I wouldn't oppose the idea of a braid, unless you mean as long as Laura Croft's? Because that'd just be unrealistic considering the compartmentalization their suits have. :unsure: 

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Scy Lancer wrote...

A friend suggested to me giving Tali a long 'Laura Croft' like braid... Any thoughts or comments on that?


It could work, since if she had long hair, it's going to have to be kept orderly to be comfortable in her suit.

Though I think a braid may be unlikely, since it would require her being out of her helmet for a period of time while braided. If she has long hair, it's likely kept as a pony tail.