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[damage incorp96]

turelhimvampire wrote...

Lareit wrote...

The problem is they can't live indefinately on their ships. Their children can't realisitically be expected to bring in new ships larger then small transport vessels or frigates  during their pilgrimage. They also lack a good supply of trade goods for which to barter with other species.

They were always going to have to eventually find a habitable planet and colonize it, or retake their home.


Personally I have no idea how the council could be so damn irresponsible and allow a race to survive so close to extinction for 300 years and not take drastic measures to intervene. When I read the planet lore tidbit about how the council kicked the quarians off an council owned planet, I truly regretted saving their lives. The council is impotent and incompetant.

Whilst I agree with your outrage over the council kicking the quarians off of that colony, I don't agree with the narrow minded view on the council being impotent and incompetent.

Look at it this way: the quarians are NOT a council race - they gave up that right when they unleashed the geth onto the universe. The council will ALWAYS look after council races first, in the same way that any nation on Earth looks out for it's own interests before those of others.

You seem to see this as a black and white - which it simply isn't. You have to factor into it that if they HADN'T evicted the quarians they could have pissed off one or more of their own species to the point where a war would break out.

Then you have not only a war on your hands, but also the blame for said war being pointed solely at the quarians. The council would have met with uproar, of course, but they also have the benefit of positive history with the warring species - having recently done things to benefit those races.

The quarians are almost universally hated for the geth, what chance would they have in anyone defending them when the blame was thrown their way.

For all we know the council are actively seeking a new home world for the quarians. We know that the STG was investigating the disappearing human colonies, which could have been at the behest of the council. Just because they refused to openly assist due to negative public response from non human species doesn't mean they weren't throwing everything they could toward a solution OUTSIDE of the public eye - STG are mainly black ops and espionage anyway - not exactly public knowledge.

We only see the deed, not the reason FOR the deed. Evicting the quarians from that planet may have been beneficial to them in the long run. We just don't know.

If it is the world I am thinking of (forgot the name), the council took it from the quarians and gave it to the Elcor for 2 reasons. 1 Quarians didn't get the councils ok to settle there and 2. It is more suited to the Elcor due to the high gravity.

[The_KFD_Case]

Commandr Bond wrote...

Lareit wrote...

When it's them or us, you side with the person who didn't throw the first blow. I like the quarians alot, but siding with them simply because I like them more then the geth, if they're the ones causing the problem......I could not do it and retain my honor.

honor has never been able to satisfy my concious.

I've come to find that honour without compassion can result in cold, cruel and destructive actions. Indeed, certain interpretations of "honour" seem to place it in the same booth as pride; misplaced pride can be a dangerous thing.

[cBselfmonkey]

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

that turian council member still like to put a boot to his face

Wouldent we all?

[The_KFD_Case]

damage incorp96 wrote...

If it is the world I am thinking of (forgot the name), the council took it from the quarians and gave it to the Elcor for 2 reasons. 1 Quarians didn't get the councils ok to settle there and 2. It is more suited to the Elcor due to the high gravity.

That's the one.

[DarkwanderStorm]

AHHHHHHHHH POLITICS -drops nuke on politics-



NEED TALI LOVE!!!!!

[Himmelstor]

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

AHHHHHHHHH POLITICS -drops nuke on politics-

NEED TALI LOVE!!!!!

While do not concur with violent method....
Concur with getting back on topic...

The Doctor is In.

[Lareit]

turelhimvampire wrote...

Lareit wrote...

The problem is they can't live indefinately on their ships. Their children can't realisitically be expected to bring in new ships larger then small transport vessels or frigates  during their pilgrimage. They also lack a good supply of trade goods for which to barter with other species.

They were always going to have to eventually find a habitable planet and colonize it, or retake their home.


Personally I have no idea how the council could be so damn irresponsible and allow a race to survive so close to extinction for 300 years and not take drastic measures to intervene. When I read the planet lore tidbit about how the council kicked the quarians off an council owned planet, I truly regretted saving their lives. The council is impotent and incompetant.

Whilst I agree with your outrage over the council kicking the quarians off of that colony, I don't agree with the narrow minded view on the council being impotent and incompetent.

Look at it this way: the quarians are NOT a council race - they gave up that right when they unleashed the geth onto the universe. The council will ALWAYS look after council races first, in the same way that any nation on Earth looks out for it's own interests before those of others.

You seem to see this as a black and white - which it simply isn't. You have to factor into it that if they HADN'T evicted the quarians they could have pissed off one or more of their own species to the point where a war would break out.

Then you have not only a war on your hands, but also the blame for said war being pointed solely at the quarians. The council would have met with uproar, of course, but they also have the benefit of positive history with the warring species - having recently done things to benefit those races.

The quarians are almost universally hated for the geth, what chance would they have in anyone defending them when the blame was thrown their way.

For all we know the council are actively seeking a new home world for the quarians. We know that the STG was investigating the disappearing human colonies, which could have been at the behest of the council. Just because they refused to openly assist due to negative public response from non human species doesn't mean they weren't throwing everything they could toward a solution OUTSIDE of the public eye - STG are mainly black ops and espionage anyway - not exactly public knowledge.

We only see the deed, not the reason FOR the deed. Evicting the quarians from that planet may have been beneficial to them in the long run. We just don't know.

I can't deny that, but 300 years without success, considering the number of colonies the humans have successfully founded in their short time in the stars makes me believe they(the council) did not care.

I agree the quarians aren't a council species and thus aren't offered the same level of protection but i would hope one of the duties of the council is to ensure the saftey of the various species without the galaxy and to promote harmony amongst them all.

Even the Krogan are deemed important enough for the STG to focus on keeping their population stable and regulated instead of eliminating what was a very hostile threat to the galaxy, far more then the quarians directly affected with their creation of what is essentially just a taboo(or was a taboo before the geth attack on the citadel).

It's not the same as the batarians when they left the council because the council didn't bend to their wishes regarding competiting with the humans for terrority either. The batarians left by their choice, the quarians made two mistakes and then were kicked out of the council in their time of need.

The turians, as a council race, is fairly overtly aggressive. They attacked us unprovoked, for simply being careless and then seiged a human settlement killing civilians, before any diplomatic actions were attempted.

I have very little faith in the council as a whole.

[DarkwanderStorm]

Himmelstor wrote...

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

AHHHHHHHHH POLITICS -drops nuke on politics-

NEED TALI LOVE!!!!!

While do not concur with violent method....
Concur with getting back on topic...

The Doctor is In.

OMFG DOC IS BACK WOOOOOOOOOO:alien:

[damage incorp96]

Commandr Bond wrote...

turelhimvampire wrote...

Lareit wrote...

A ruling government where only a few of the constituents are represented shouldn't exist. What gives the turians, asari, and salarians the right to rule over every other race, other than "We got here first."?

And, as I said, while there is no way of knowing whether the races were developing AI or not, it seems HIGHLY unlikely that all three were following that rule.

The council shouldn't exist in the first place.

Not saying it's right, but it's a system they have had for a few thousand years. Your (or any countries) government is in place, not because it is necessarily the best idea, but because it works at this time. Anyone interested in politcal systems should read Starship troopers by Heinlein (movie sucked, not even close to the book). It will open your mind to new ideas (also Stranger in a Strangle Land) and make you see things from a different prespective

[The_KFD_Case]

Commandr Bond wrote...

A ruling government where only a few of the constituents are represented shouldn't exist. What gives the turians, asari, and salarians the right to rule over every other race, other than "We got here first."?

And, as I said, while there is no way of knowing whether the races were developing AI or not, it seems HIGHLY unlikely that all three were following that rule.

The council shouldn't exist in the first place.

Whether one likes the Council or not they do provide something that all great civilizations have needed in order to flourish: Stability. While there are still wars and problems the fact that you have a clearly dominant pecking order helps keep various other, more aggressive species in line. Our own world is not so different. Personally I do find certain aspects of the Council setup unfair but I'm also not convinced that the galaxy would be better off without any central unifying body. For example, when humanity first stumbled upon the Turians it was the Council that came to the rescue and brokered a peace deal. Given humanity's stretched strategic position at the time combined with the Turians already extensive military capabilities, it is quite likely they could have overrun humanity and even wiped us out altogether. The Council served humanity well on that day though they of course also had their own interests in seeing a new advanced species join the galactic community (i.e. trade, expanded power basis, etc.).

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 20 février 2010 - 06:10 .

[CaIIisto]

Lareit wrote...

I have very little faith in the council as a whole.

Pretty much why I had no problem working for Cerberus.

[DarkwanderStorm]

http://ctcde.blogspo...of-revenge.html



skip the vid to 8:50 thats what politics make me do

[Lareit]

turelhimvampire wrote...

Lareit wrote...

When it's them or us, you side with the person who didn't throw the first blow. I like the quarians alot, but siding with them simply because I like them more then the geth, if they're the ones causing the problem......I could not do it and retain my honor.

Not really. When it's them or us, I side with the person who I have my own personal vested interest in. If the world went along with your logic we'd be at war with the USA right now. But we aren't, because we have our own vested interests in the well-being of the USA.

Politics mate - you're better staying out of it.

Oh I do. I have no interest in any war the US starts. Nor the lies created to "justify them" but lets stick with ME politics, real life politics are far too messy for even me.

[Himmelstor]

If not cut off argument or move elsewhere...at least snip...

[cBselfmonkey]

Commandr Bond wrote...

A ruling government where only a few of the constituents are represented shouldn't exist. What gives the turians, asari, and salarians the right to rule over every other race, other than "We got here first."?

And, as I said, while there is no way of knowing whether the races were developing AI or not, it seems HIGHLY unlikely that all three were following that rule.

The council shouldn't exist in the first place.

They get to rule exactly because they got their first. They've got more ships, higher populations, control more territory and thus have more resources etc... The Asari, Salarians and the Turians just have more then the other races at this point so they get to be in charge. Works the same way here on Earth with larger Global 'super-powers'. Whether you try and make it look nice and pretty with laws and rules might will always make right.

As for the Council not existing at all...where does that leave the galaxy as a whole? Even a cumbersome government is more useful then anarchy.

Modifié par cBselfmonkey, 20 février 2010 - 06:11 .

[DarkwanderStorm]

omg stfu THINK TALI



TALI

[Himmelstor]

....quit trying to get back on topic...



Going to write Part 2 of Act II: Descent...



So will not be as active.

[DarkwanderStorm]

Himmelstor wrote...

....quit trying to get back on topic...

Going to write Part 2 of Act II: Descent...

So will not be as active.

cant for it to be ready doc

[The_KFD_Case]

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

http://ctcde.blogspo...of-revenge.html

skip the vid to 8:50 thats what politics make me do

Whether one has an interest in politics or not, politics always has an interest in each of us. From the price of the bread you buy to who is sitting in office and everything in between.

[The_KFD_Case]

cBselfmonkey wrote...

Commandr Bond wrote...

A ruling government where only a few of the constituents are represented shouldn't exist. What gives the turians, asari, and salarians the right to rule over every other race, other than "We got here first."?

And, as I said, while there is no way of knowing whether the races were developing AI or not, it seems HIGHLY unlikely that all three were following that rule.

The council shouldn't exist in the first place.

They get to rule exactly because they got their first. They've got more ships, higher populations, control more territory and thus have more resources etc... The Asari, Salarians and the Turians just have more then the other races at this point so they get to be in charge. Works the same way here on Earth with larger Global 'super-powers'. Whether you try and make it look nice and pretty with laws and rules might will always make right.

As for the Council not existing at all...where does that leave the galaxy as a whole? Even a cumbersome government is more useful then anarchy.

Agreed.

[DarkwanderStorm]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

http://ctcde.blogspo...of-revenge.html

skip the vid to 8:50 thats what politics make me do

Whether one has an interest in politics or not, politics always has an interest in each of us. From the price of the bread you buy to who is sitting in office and everything in between.

its not the matter of interest it just the way i see politics and i rather not go into becaue id probably would get hung but anyway TALI WOOO

[DarkwanderStorm]

screw that