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[Himmelstor]

Commandr Bond wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Commandr Bond wrote...

Lareit wrote...

He's not aruging a divine mandate or a morally virtuous right to rule, he's arguing a tactical advantage that allows them to rule through economic and militarial power. It's true it's how the world works.

Might always makes right.

But I was never arguing that the council races didn't have the resources to rule, I'm arguing that the council races shouldn't be the only ones with a stake in the government....

No one has might to contest them. Their or other species' stake is irrelevant.

Okay, so we are talking about a divine mandate. Because the only reason the council races have that might is because they could develope and spread faster. Other species didn't have this ability, and should suffer for it? I mean...that's just fascist.

No. Turians have largest military. Asari and Salarians have among best commandos. Addition of humanity with decent military and decent commandos makes military powerhouse.
WIthout rest of galaxy united against, no real challangers.
"Divine Mandate" implies taking thought that some deity says should rule.
Military power and long history gives authority. Other species needs irrelevant.

[RaoulG4668]

penguin12345 wrote...

RaoulG4668 wrote...



New discussion time!

Not the right picure dude.

No, it is. Believe it or not the Waterfall pic deserves a break...it does get boring.

[penguin12345]

Jake71887 wrote...

penguin12345 wrote...

BTW any specific reason our god-thread was shut down, or did bioware just get bored with us?

God-thread? 

Yes, god-thread.

[DarkwanderStorm]

if someone has tali point her finger at the Admiralty board i would be your buddy

[Timey254]

penguin12345 wrote...

BTW any specific reason our god-thread was shut down, or did bioware just get bored with us?

pfft... they are just scared, that we reach 1337 pages

I always ask myself what Bioware thinks about these massive fan-support of Tali... I bet they think "We opened Pandora's box by making her a Romance"

[Jake71887]

SU37 wrote...

TBH, I don't really like that picture.

Ditto, I find the freckles to not make much sense personally 

[sergio71785]

To help get this thread more on topic, here's a line that I don't recall seeing get mentioned before, but I felt the attitude behind it is one of the reasons Tali is so well liked

"I was going to book passage on another ship. I didn't think there would be time for you to help. Thank you, Shepard"

When you agree to take her to her trial. That line seriously encapsulates her incredibly non-selfish attitude.

Modifié par sergio71785, 20 février 2010 - 06:45 .

[FsDxRAGE]

Chapter 4 is up of Snake in the Mud

Enjoy and comments are welcome!

http://social.biowar...8913/blog/2662/

[cBselfmonkey]

penguin12345 wrote...

BTW any specific reason our god-thread was shut down, or did bioware just get bored with us?

Was probably just to godly. Started to melt BioWare's servers.

[Lord_Moose]

The Turians seem so 'tacked on'...



Someone unleashes hell with the rachni, who start pushing into council space, presently just the Salarians and Asari as council members. The salarians discover the krogan, who they bring to the space age too early to help with the rachni, and they do, well. the rachni are brought to near extinction and the krogan are given some worls as a gift. They breed like rabbits on viagra and start colonizing new worlds, but it wasnt a problem because the coucil turned a blind eye to it like germany before WWII. then they take a planet with an asari colony, and so starts the krogan 'rebellion'.



Then, a powerful miltaristic race is found with plenty of ships and plenty of men. The Turian. They are found on the other side of council space, and outflank the krogan, leaping into the conflict. The krogan cant handle a two sided war coupled with key points being destroyed by STG, Spectre, and Asari Commando squads, the rebellion is crushed. And the Turian, a new race, gets all the 'fringe' benifits and a council seat.



It is never explained if the Batarian people had any hand in the rachni wars or krogan rebellion. At least not that i've seen. Its strange...

[penguin12345]

Himmelstor wrote...

Commandr Bond wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Commandr Bond wrote...

Lareit wrote...

He's not aruging a divine mandate or a morally virtuous right to rule, he's arguing a tactical advantage that allows them to rule through economic and militarial power. It's true it's how the world works.

Might always makes right.

But I was never arguing that the council races didn't have the resources to rule, I'm arguing that the council races shouldn't be the only ones with a stake in the government....

No one has might to contest them. Their or other species' stake is irrelevant.

Okay, so we are talking about a divine mandate. Because the only reason the council races have that might is because they could develope and spread faster. Other species didn't have this ability, and should suffer for it? I mean...that's just fascist.

No. Turians have largest military. Asari and Salarians have among best commandos. Addition of humanity with decent military and decent commandos makes military powerhouse.
WIthout rest of galaxy united against, no real challangers.
"Divine Mandate" implies taking thought that some deity says should rule.
Military power and long history gives authority. Other species needs irrelevant.

Other species couldn't challenge Council races regardless. Volus are merchants, Hanar can't really fight, Vorcha life-span too short, Batarians not unified, Krogans hit by genophage, too few Drell and Quarians left.

[Lareit]

cBselfmonkey wrote...

penguin12345 wrote...

BTW any specific reason our god-thread was shut down, or did bioware just get bored with us?

Was probably just to godly. Started to melt BioWare's servers.

it did begin to decay around the 500 mark.
Missing pages, constant double/tripple posts, long delays.

[The_KFD_Case]

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

:alien:mmmmmmm ass and hips and 3 finger and 2 toes mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:alien:

Quarians have three toes on each foot. Two main ones and a small one on the side.

w/e

Indeed. What as that about "denial" earlier?

[Driving Ghost]

Another playthrough and just recruited Tali, now the fun starts. "Just like ol' times."

[RaoulG4668]

WHYYY?!



This is a TALI thread...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I see no politics involved with LOVING TALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lareit]

Commandr Bond wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

It seems to me you are approaching this from a moralistic perspective while Bself is approaching it from a realist perspective. The reality is that those who have power and a willingness to wield it can more or less do as they please unless they regulate themselves or encounter an opposition that is strong enough and willing to resist them. That's just how such matters work in our reality; it is apparently also how things work in the ME universe. Now, sometimes you get lucky and have powers-that-be which place value on moral and ethical behaviour though these things are also somewhat up in the air depending on how you define them. Example: the Realist school of political thought in our world would say that it is moral to do whatever you perceive to be in your country's best interest regardless of whom else it may hurt. This is because from the Realist perspective your main priority is to look out for the interests of your group, not the interests of other groups. Sometimes cooperation is the most expedient way to gain what you perceive to be in your group's best interest, and other times open warfare may be considered more effective. While I do not entirely agree with the Realist approach I do acknowledge some of its points.

I hope I haven't given the impression that I don't believe this is the way the world works. My point is that its not the way it should work. The council may have the strength to rule over the others, but does that make it right?

And as for the different perspectives, I can't side with the realist perspective. My interests have no greater reason to persist than anyone else's.

Back to the Council races in particular, while they do have the most and biggest guns amongst the known established sapient species, they are not generally actively trying to attack or destroy other species nor newly discovered species. This, IMO, makes them a better galactic caretaker than certain other alternatives. Granted, if you long for a free-for-all where no one else gets to interfere in your business with laws and regulations then you would perhaps be better served following the Batarian example. Then again the Batarians have their own issues....

I'm not looking for anarchy. I'm looking for equality.

You can't mistreat people because you have something they don't.

No one is disagreeing with you, equality is what we all want. We're just saying the council is in power, has all the chips and doesn't feel like sharing unless it helps them somehow.

It's just life, thats how it always works. Sucks.

[penguin12345]

Lord_Moose wrote...

The Turians seem so 'tacked on'...

Someone unleashes hell with the rachni, who start pushing into council space, presently just the Salarians and Asari as council members. The salarians discover the krogan, who they bring to the space age too early to help with the rachni, and they do, well. the rachni are brought to near extinction and the krogan are given some worls as a gift. They breed like rabbits on viagra and start colonizing new worlds, but it wasnt a problem because the coucil turned a blind eye to it like germany before WWII. then they take a planet with an asari colony, and so starts the krogan 'rebellion'.

Then, a powerful miltaristic race is found with plenty of ships and plenty of men. The Turian. They are found on the other side of council space, and outflank the krogan, leaping into the conflict. The krogan cant handle a two sided war coupled with key points being destroyed by STG, Spectre, and Asari Commando squads, the rebellion is crushed. And the Turian, a new race, gets all the 'fringe' benifits and a council seat.

It is never explained if the Batarian people had any hand in the rachni wars or krogan rebellion. At least not that i've seen. Its strange...

Batarians are a merchant race, and aren't unified enough to have an effective military.

[DarkwanderStorm]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

:alien:mmmmmmm ass and hips and 3 finger and 2 toes mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:alien:

Quarians have three toes on each foot. Two main ones and a small one on the side.

w/e

Indeed. What as that about "denial" earlier?

idk look for it

[nitefyre410]

Lord_Moose wrote...

The Turians seem so 'tacked on'...

Someone unleashes hell with the rachni, who start pushing into council space, presently just the Salarians and Asari as council members. The salarians discover the krogan, who they bring to the space age too early to help with the rachni, and they do, well. the rachni are brought to near extinction and the krogan are given some worls as a gift. They breed like rabbits on viagra and start colonizing new worlds, but it wasnt a problem because the coucil turned a blind eye to it like germany before WWII. then they take a planet with an asari colony, and so starts the krogan 'rebellion'.

Then, a powerful miltaristic race is found with plenty of ships and plenty of men. The Turian. They are found on the other side of council space, and outflank the krogan, leaping into the conflict. The krogan cant handle a two sided war coupled with key points being destroyed by STG, Spectre, and Asari Commando squads, the rebellion is crushed. And the Turian, a new race, gets all the 'fringe' benifits and a council seat.

It is never explained if the Batarian people had any hand in the rachni wars or krogan rebellion. At least not that i've seen. Its strange...

  


We don't who  or what drove the Rachni mad and started the Wars, interesting the Quarians would be  the most  advanced and powerful  race in the Galaxy if not for the Morning Wars. 

[Lareit]

RaoulG4668 wrote...

WHYYY?!

This is a TALI thread...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see no politics involved with LOVING TALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It started during a quarian/geth war discussion and grew from there.

Tali's involvement in such a war is very important, so it fits the topic.
or did atleast.

[Himmelstor]

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[penguin12345]

RaoulG4668 wrote...

WHYYY?!

This is a TALI thread...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see no politics involved with LOVING TALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We can only say so much about loving Tali. Personally, I've exhausted my repetoire. It will move back to her, as people come up with new praises.

[RaoulG4668]

Lareit wrote...

RaoulG4668 wrote...

WHYYY?!

This is a TALI thread...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see no politics involved with LOVING TALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It started during a quarian/geth war discussion and grew from there.

Tali's involvement in such a war is very important, so it fits the topic.
or did atleast.

DID!!!

DID IS THE KEYWORD!

*slams head into keyboard*

Modifié par RaoulG4668, 20 février 2010 - 06:51 .

[Himmelstor]

nitefyre410 wrote...
We don't who  or what drove the Rachni mad and started the Wars, interesting the Quarians would be  the most  advanced and powerful  race in the Galaxy if not for the Morning Wars. 

War. The Morning War. Just one.