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[Himmelstor]

nitefyre410 wrote...
We don't who  or what drove the Rachni mad and started the Wars, interesting the Quarians would be  the most  advanced and powerful  race in the Galaxy if not for the Morning Wars. 

War. The Morning War. Just one.

[Himmelstor]

Must research cure to double posting....

Modifié par Himmelstor, 20 février 2010 - 06:51 .

[sergio71785]

  <3

[DarkwanderStorm]

if anyone has a picture of tali pointing her finger at qwib qwib calling him a bosh tet please send me a link ill be your buddy

[Himmelstor]

Himmelstor wrote...

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[RaoulG4668]

sergio71785 wrote...

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Thank youuuu! 

[penguin12345]

Himmelstor wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
We don't who  or what drove the Rachni mad and started the Wars, interesting the Quarians would be  the most  advanced and powerful  race in the Galaxy if not for the Morning Wars. 

War. The Morning War. Just one.

Think they should release DLC packs for the Morning War, First Contact War, Rachni War, etc.

[The_KFD_Case]

Commandr Bond wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

It seems to me you are approaching this from a moralistic perspective while Bself is approaching it from a realist perspective. The reality is that those who have power and a willingness to wield it can more or less do as they please unless they regulate themselves or encounter an opposition that is strong enough and willing to resist them. That's just how such matters work in our reality; it is apparently also how things work in the ME universe. Now, sometimes you get lucky and have powers-that-be which place value on moral and ethical behaviour though these things are also somewhat up in the air depending on how you define them. Example: the Realist school of political thought in our world would say that it is moral to do whatever you perceive to be in your country's best interest regardless of whom else it may hurt. This is because from the Realist perspective your main priority is to look out for the interests of your group, not the interests of other groups. Sometimes cooperation is the most expedient way to gain what you perceive to be in your group's best interest, and other times open warfare may be considered more effective. While I do not entirely agree with the Realist approach I do acknowledge some of its points.

I hope I haven't given the impression that I don't believe this is the way the world works. My point is that its not the way it should work. The council may have the strength to rule over the others, but does that make it right?

And as for the different perspectives, I can't side with the realist perspective. My interests have no greater reason to persist than anyone else's.

Back to the Council races in particular, while they do have the most and biggest guns amongst the known established sapient species, they are not generally actively trying to attack or destroy other species nor newly discovered species. This, IMO, makes them a better galactic caretaker than certain other alternatives. Granted, if you long for a free-for-all where no one else gets to interfere in your business with laws and regulations then you would perhaps be better served following the Batarian example. Then again the Batarians have their own issues....

I'm not looking for anarchy. I'm looking for equality.

You can't mistreat people because you have something they don't.

If the Council upholds the rule of law and that law grants all it's citizenry certain rights then how is that not equality? As for the internal power balance amongst the Council races, would it not be just as unfair to have a weak minority dictate to the larger, more powerful factions how things should be done? Personally I would advocate a setup proposed for the EU whereby each nation has a number of parliamentary seats determined by its population size. However, in order for laws to pass not only must it have a majority of the parliaments' votes, it must also have a majority of member nations in favour of it. Thus smaller nations with less votes can theoretically band together and successfully oppose the agendas of the larger, more populous nations. A similar system could be implemented amongst the Council races though it does lead to the possibility that certain situations may not be resolved despite being in urgent need of being resolved. Furthermore, a quick response faces a decreased chance of occurring given the very different backgrounds and values of the different Council member species. This can be catastrophic during wars unless an emergency clause kicks in whereby the current leadership are able to wield extra war-time powers.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 20 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[Lareit]

RaoulG4668 wrote...

Lareit wrote...

RaoulG4668 wrote...

WHYYY?!

This is a TALI thread...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see no politics involved with LOVING TALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It started during a quarian/geth war discussion and grew from there.

Tali's involvement in such a war is very important, so it fits the topic.
or did atleast.

DID!!!

DID IS THE KEYWORD!

*slams head into keyboard*

No one is stopping you from creating your own topic about tali. I don't see how our discussion of ME politics, which still invovles quarians, prohibits you from discussing the accurate measurements of tali's hips.

or how much her hips slimmed down from ME1 to ME2.

I also imagine that hurt.

[RaoulG4668]

I'm going to start spamming the Waterfall photo if the political discussion doesn't involve at least 50% Tali in the next few posts...

[DirtyVagrant]

penguin12345 wrote...
Batarians are a merchant race, and aren't unified enough to have an effective military.

Actually the batarians are said to have a military a little smaller than the Alliance's with at least one dreadnought (i.e think Destiny Ascension).

[penguin12345]

Commandr Bond wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Commandr Bond wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Commandr Bond wrote...

Lareit wrote...

He's not aruging a divine mandate or a morally virtuous right to rule, he's arguing a tactical advantage that allows them to rule through economic and militarial power. It's true it's how the world works.

Might always makes right.

But I was never arguing that the council races didn't have the resources to rule, I'm arguing that the council races shouldn't be the only ones with a stake in the government....

No one has might to contest them. Their or other species' stake is irrelevant.

Okay, so we are talking about a divine mandate. Because the only reason the council races have that might is because they could develope and spread faster. Other species didn't have this ability, and should suffer for it? I mean...that's just fascist.

No. Turians have largest military. Asari and Salarians have among best commandos. Addition of humanity with decent military and decent commandos makes military powerhouse.
WIthout rest of galaxy united against, no real challangers.
"Divine Mandate" implies taking thought that some deity says should rule.
Military power and long history gives authority. Other species needs irrelevant.

Right, but they got that power to rule because they were born with that ability. In a divine mandate, you're given the ability to rule. Either way, you gain the ability to rule. Following the 'those who have it should rule' logic, they arrive at the same outcome. The only difference is the source; nature or a deity.

Only reasons humans got to join Council is because they poessed the largest military after the Battle of the Citadel. Turians and Asari got wiped out, Salarians have no true military forces.

[DarkwanderStorm]

RaoulG4668 wrote...

I'm going to start spamming the Waterfall photo if the political discussion doesn't involve at least 50% Tali in the next few posts...

if i can get a pciture of tali pointing her finger at the admiral qwib qwib i can make a pic to top that

[Lareit]

penguin12345 wrote...

Only reasons humans got to join Council is because they poessed the largest military after the Battle of the Citadel. Turians and Asari got wiped out, Salarians have no true military forces.

Nah that wasn't the whole of their fleets, it was just the ones stationed at the citadel. They have fleets posted at most major Mass relays throughout the galaxy on lookout for saren.

[The_KFD_Case]

sergio71785 wrote...

To help get this thread more on topic, here's a line that I don't recall seeing get mentioned before, but I felt the attitude behind it is one of the reasons Tali is so well liked

"I was going to book passage on another ship. I didn't think there would be time for you to help. Thank you, Shepard"

When you agree to take her to her trial. That line seriously encapsulates her incredibly non-selfish attitude.

Agreed. I listened to it twice yesterday in my current play through. *sigh* She is so sincere, up-front, intelligent and genuinely "real" while still being an awesome combination of stength and gentleness. That's precisely the sort of combination I require in a woman for a long-term "Ok. Now-I'm-ready-to-settle-down" relationship.

[The_KFD_Case]

Lord_Moose wrote...

The Turians seem so 'tacked on'...

Someone unleashes hell with the rachni, who start pushing into council space, presently just the Salarians and Asari as council members. The salarians discover the krogan, who they bring to the space age too early to help with the rachni, and they do, well. the rachni are brought to near extinction and the krogan are given some worls as a gift. They breed like rabbits on viagra and start colonizing new worlds, but it wasnt a problem because the coucil turned a blind eye to it like germany before WWII. then they take a planet with an asari colony, and so starts the krogan 'rebellion'.

Then, a powerful miltaristic race is found with plenty of ships and plenty of men. The Turian. They are found on the other side of council space, and outflank the krogan, leaping into the conflict. The krogan cant handle a two sided war coupled with key points being destroyed by STG, Spectre, and Asari Commando squads, the rebellion is crushed. And the Turian, a new race, gets all the 'fringe' benifits and a council seat.

It is never explained if the Batarian people had any hand in the rachni wars or krogan rebellion. At least not that i've seen. Its strange...

As I recall it the Krogan Rebelliions were fought to a stand still with neither side being able to gain the upper hand. That is until the genophage was designed and delivered.

[RaoulG4668]

This thread is the biggest thread involving Tali, never will I have the time nor the patience to make one of my own. I also lack the technical ability to have a glorious OP. So, it saddens me how ironic this thread is becoming, the name broadcasts showing support for Tali and keeping her alive where she is currently being buried under pages of political banter. I've supported Tali since page 400 of 2.0 and not once have I seen the discussion drift this far off-topic.

[Lord_Moose]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

penguin12345 wrote...
Batarians are a merchant race, and aren't unified enough to have an effective military.

Actually the batarians are said to have a military a little smaller than the Alliance's with at least one dreadnought (i.e think Destiny Ascension).

They might've grown drastically from that because they no longer have any restrictions placed on them for dreadnought production as not being a council race.
Coupled with the possible technology they could've obtained from the Leviathan they've rumored to have taken.

[Himmelstor]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

To help get this thread more on topic, here's a line that I don't recall seeing get mentioned before, but I felt the attitude behind it is one of the reasons Tali is so well liked

"I was going to book passage on another ship. I didn't think there would be time for you to help. Thank you, Shepard"

When you agree to take her to her trial. That line seriously encapsulates her incredibly non-selfish attitude.

Agreed. I listened to it twice yesterday in my current play through. *sigh* She is so sincere, up-front, intelligent and genuinely "real" while still being an awesome combination of stength and gentleness. That's precisely the sort of combination I require in a woman for a long-term "Ok. Now-I'm-ready-to-settle-down" relationship.

Concur with KFD_Case

[The_KFD_Case]

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

:alien:mmmmmmm ass and hips and 3 finger and 2 toes mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:alien:

Quarians have three toes on each foot. Two main ones and a small one on the side.

w/e

Indeed. What as that about "denial" earlier?

idk look for it

Hm. Egypt?

[SL22]

Oh yes.

sergio71785 wrote...

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[Lord_Moose]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Lord_Moose wrote...

The krogan cant handle a two sided war coupled with key points being destroyed by STG, Spectre, and Asari Commando squads, the rebellion is crushed. And the Turian, a new race, gets all the 'fringe' benifits and a council seat.

It is never explained if the Batarian people had any hand in the rachni wars or krogan rebellion. At least not that i've seen. Its strange...

As I recall it the Krogan Rebelliions were fought to a stand still with neither side being able to gain the upper hand. That is until the genophage was designed and delivered.

Well i kinda said that with the STG hitting key points.
The Quad being one of them.