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[Alanosborn1991]

[Angelraid]

[quote]Phil725 wrote...

[quote]Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

[quote]Phil725 wrote...
*snip*
He made shepard in order to have the hero of the galaxy under his arm, he expected shepard to conform. When he didnt (depending on your playthrough) he freacked out and started screaming like a baby for miranda to arrest him or something.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." TIM needs to learn this quote.
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For the record, TIM never expected you to conform completely.  He even says as much early in the game.  The only thing he expects of you is that you will do everything in your power to stop the reapers.

Since TIM is the ultimate pragmatist, he sees how he can profit from the collector base.  When you make the decision to destroy it out of spite, risking all of the galaxy, TIM understandably reacts negatively.  Thinking emotionally instead of logically is dangerous with that much on the line.  Is risking the entire galaxy to get back at TIM really a good idea?

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Id buy that if when you talk to TIM he doesnt rage about how he could have used it to conquer the galaxy.

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I make it pretty clear whenever I defend TIM, (which is a lot since everyone hates him...)  that I'm perfectly aware that you would have to fight him later.  The key thing is that he will help you against the reapers more than anyone else in the galaxy until their gone.  I don't see why so many people pass that up.

I feel like people are constantly metagaming this aspect, and have the whole "Bioware will make it possible to defeat the reapers no matter how I act, so I don't have to be pragmatic" view.  Is Cerberus really 1/1000th as big of a threat as the reapers?  TIM's actions after the reapers are gone aren't a huge concern.

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I'd point out that it was using reaper tech that got the entire galaxy in this mess in the first place. Making the same mistake twice seems like idiocy. Not to mention if you wanna talk about real life. Its much better to have allies than a single ace up your sleeve.

[Alanosborn1991]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...



Tali meets her cousin Tia from South Migrant Fleet

[Himmelstor]

Snip long quotes. Or...

*Looks meaningfully at Darth Cheesecake*

[chool77]

Somebody1003 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

chool77 wrote...

hey guys hows it going??

any thing going on i should know about?

There appear to be two very loud parallel arguments going on:

Is the Illusive Man doing good?
and
Can the quarians be excused for the Morning War?

Yes, however we have moved on mostly to the morning war.

all i know is that i would have done the same thing

and if there is a way to trick the geth so i can kill them all and still get the home world with out ...too many quarians dying ... ill do it

[solazz]

Azint wrote...

solazz wrote...

Azint wrote...

I'm a bad TIM.

Doesn't help that I don't really agree with him either.

It's ok.  I think I pretty much drove everyone to hate TIM with my terrible impersonation of him.

Meh, Jake is the TIM on this thread.

I'm only stepping on foreing boundaries.

I never really saw why everyone said Jake is the TIM of this thread.  To me, Jake is just Jake.  But, to each their own, I guess.

[NuclearBuddha]

Felipe 058 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

The sign pointed to war. The geth were probably going to rebel because they thought they had right, they didn't they were machines. Does your computer have rights? Your car? No, the geth became sentient and the Quarians thought they were going to rebel, so they attempted to remove the problem.

And luckily the Geth won.
The consequenses for the Quarians.
The Geth are now sentient, they do not wish harm upon organics. Qwib Qwib at least has the right idea about the Geth...

Luckily?! They could've wiped the quarians out! I suppose they didn't, so they may have not been trying to, but still, the quarians shouldn't have freaked the frak out.

Both sides are tainted:

The quarians tried to genocide a race of their own creation with the intention (I assume) of trying to avoid any significant disruption to their society.

The geth reduced a starfaring race that presumably numbered in the billions to 17 million (which probably counts as genocide).  And destroyed their religion.

They both need to back the F up and apologize.  Then they need to get on with their lives and rejoin (or join in the case of the geth) the larger galactic civilization.

[Phil725]

MarineBorn wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

MarineBorn wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
*snip*

He brought Shepard back.
With out him the collectors would have made that human Reaper and the ME universe would be f**ked.

He made shepard in order to have the hero of the galaxy under his arm, he expected shepard to conform. When he didnt (depending on your playthrough) he freacked out and started screaming like a baby for miranda to arrest him or something.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." TIM needs to learn this quote.

For the record, TIM never expected you to conform completely.  He even says as much early in the game.  The only thing he expects of you is that you will do everything in your power to stop the reapers.

Since TIM is the ultimate pragmatist, he sees how he can profit from the collector base.  When you make the decision to destroy it out of spite, risking all of the galaxy, TIM understandably reacts negatively.  Thinking emotionally instead of logically is dangerous with that much on the line.  Is risking the entire galaxy to get back at TIM really a good idea?

Did not destory it to get back at him, if you remember what Vigil said you would relize that using reaper tech agianst the reapers will not work. He stated that the reapers dont want us developing or own tech becuase they would not be able to know if it surpassed there own. So if we trust there tech we will be screwed.

We must build or own tech in order to defeat them using there own tech will not work.

I addressed this point a little earlier.  The tech that the reapers meant for civilization to build around was left in open, easy to find spots.  The Citadel and mass relays were put there for people to find them.  The collector base was in an unreachable spot, and it is stated in game that the collectors never expected anyone to reach it.  There is no reason that there wouldn't be possible tech there that could be used against the reapers.  Similar to the thanix cannon being a version of Sovereigns weapon. 

It isn't reapers are immune to reaper tech, its they understand the relays better than us, and our reliance on them is their biggest advantage.

[Himmelstor]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Heading off to bed keelah sel'ai.

*whispering* Remembers nothing, good.

*Regular*
Keelah Se'lai, my friend!

[Felipe 058]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

GMR25 wrote...


Those Quarians are just messed up. Enslaving Synthetics for labor, then trying to kill them off for no good reason.

No one in the Mass effect universe is perfect, the quarians created something that could've rebelled so so save their own species they tried to remove them, unfortunately losing.

Synthetics are not organic life, they don't have the rights or feelings the way we do, I for one an fully behind the Quarians in their decision to remove the geth during the morning war.

The Geth became sentient life.
You would see that they are destroyed because they are synthetic?

Yep, the Quarians took steps to protect their people, the geth were a mistake and needed to be removed, it obviously didn't work but I stand behind their decision

Wow thats like saying black babies are a mistake an need to be removed.

No actually its not, Geth are just machines, not people

So your saying that the geth are sub human? less than people?
Thats exactly how people rationalized slavery. Or how the Taliban justify there terrorism against western cultures.

The geth are machines, I don't know how many times I have to say
machines aren't people, they are tools

Yeah, and we're tools for the Reapers! All sentient and sapient life are to the Reapers as the geth were to the quarians, and apparently wrong. Are you saying what the Reapers are doing is right?

[MMA7FF]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

AWESOME!!!

CONCUR!!! 

[Angelraid]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

GMR25 wrote...


Those Quarians are just messed up. Enslaving Synthetics for labor, then trying to kill them off for no good reason.

No one in the Mass effect universe is perfect, the quarians created something that could've rebelled so so save their own species they tried to remove them, unfortunately losing.

Synthetics are not organic life, they don't have the rights or feelings the way we do, I for one an fully behind the Quarians in their decision to remove the geth during the morning war.

The Geth became sentient life.
You would see that they are destroyed because they are synthetic?

Yep, the Quarians took steps to protect their people, the geth were a mistake and needed to be removed, it obviously didn't work but I stand behind their decision

Wow thats like saying black babies are a mistake an need to be removed.

No actually its not, Geth are just machines, not people

So your saying that the geth are sub human? less than people?
Thats exactly how people rationalized slavery. Or how the Taliban justify there terrorism against western cultures.

The geth are machines, I don't know how many times I have to say
machines aren't people, they are tools

People can be tools too? Guess we should just use them however we please to make our live easier yes?

[SirEmilCrane]

Somebody1003 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

The geth are machines, I don't know how many times I have to say
machines aren't people, they are tools

Not anymore, they are sentient.
People like you in ME are the reason everyone fears the Geth, even though they do not wish to fight.

People like me? This is a computer game we are talking about
Now, do I think the geth should be completely wiped out? No
Did I ever say that? No
Do I think the quarian fears of rebellion and subsequent actions are justified? Yes

[Azint]

solazz wrote...

I never really saw why everyone said Jake is the TIM of this thread.  To me, Jake is just Jake.  But, to each their own, I guess.

Well he's the long-runner.

Aw, screw it. Going to change my forum face again.

[Himmelstor]

SNIP SOME QUOTES!

Do not need to quote wall selves. Again.

[Felipe 058]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Felipe 058 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

The sign pointed to war. The geth were probably going to rebel because they thought they had right, they didn't they were machines. Does your computer have rights? Your car? No, the geth became sentient and the Quarians thought they were going to rebel, so they attempted to remove the problem.

And luckily the Geth won.
The consequenses for the Quarians.
The Geth are now sentient, they do not wish harm upon organics. Qwib Qwib at least has the right idea about the Geth...

Luckily?! They could've wiped the quarians out! I suppose they didn't, so they may have not been trying to, but still, the quarians shouldn't have freaked the frak out.

Both sides are tainted:

The quarians tried to genocide a race of their own creation with the intention (I assume) of trying to avoid any significant disruption to their society.

The geth reduced a starfaring race that presumably numbered in the billions to 17 million (which probably counts as genocide).  And destroyed their religion.

They both need to back the F up and apologize.  Then they need to get on with their lives and rejoin (or join in the case of the geth) the larger galactic civilization.

Just like Battlestar Galactica. Fortunately things worked out there eventually; unfortunately, this ain't BSG...

[sergio71785]

I'm going to upload a 10 minute, 1080p video of the tali cuddle scene to youtube. It's rendering right now! 
I wonder if that's a bit excessive. 

[RaoulG4668]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

wow. that went fast.
lets try again.

Made by Raoul, WARNING: Cursing involved.

Quoted for awesomeness! Watch my vid! 

[solazz]

Azint wrote...

solazz wrote...

I never really saw why everyone said Jake is the TIM of this thread.  To me, Jake is just Jake.  But, to each their own, I guess.

Well he's the long-runner.

Aw, screw it. Going to change my forum face again.

You'll find the right face, someday.