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[malkiah13]

1490 wrote...

Roninraver wrote...

malkiah13 wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

Seriously guys; do you think Tali will make it?

If you're asking if she will be a squaddie in ME3, then no, I don't think so. I HOPE so, but I don't see bioware putting in an entire character who's dead for half of the people...

She'd better frackin' be, as all ME2 squadmates had better frackin' be.

I sincerely hope Bioware goes the distance and then a little extra, crafting ME3 in such a way that every character you've come to know and love will be available for use in ME3.  Does this mean extra work, as in some people's saves some characters will be dead, thus the writing rendered null for that playthrough?  Yes.  But it's far better than the alternative.

ME2 was the recruitment phase of the story.  I already assembled my crack team of intergalactic badasses, that work has been done.  I swear on all that is light and fluffy that if they try and make me spend more time in ME3 re-doing the damned recruitment drive nonsense I'll frisbee my playdisc out the window and never look back.

Personally, I don't think they should add any new team members, or add very few like Kaiden and Liara.  If you kept all your team members alive during the suicide mission, you get to have them all back.  If you killed most of them and end up with two or three, you have to live with the consequences in ME 3 and get by with what you got

Im cool with them adding to or 3 new squaddies, but I agree with roninraver. ME2 was A LOT of recruitment, and with the loyalty missions there was a lot of character development. ME3 needs to bring back the old characters and have most of the gameplay focus on the actual story like mE1 did

[intersect]

malkiah13 wrote...

Im cool with them adding to or 3 new squaddies, but I agree with roninraver. ME2 was A LOT of recruitment, and with the loyalty missions there was a lot of character development. ME3 needs to bring back the old characters and have most of the gameplay focus on the actual story like mE1 did

I always felt that recruitment and making a team were infact part of the actual story.

Modifié par intersect, 06 mars 2010 - 02:50 .

[UFOash]

I bet in ME3 we'll be recruiting groups as well like the Turians, the Rachni (if their alive), the Geth & loads of others.

[Roninraver]

1490 wrote...

Roninraver wrote...

malkiah13 wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

Seriously guys; do you think Tali will make it?

If you're asking if she will be a squaddie in ME3, then no, I don't think so. I HOPE so, but I don't see bioware putting in an entire character who's dead for half of the people...

She'd better frackin' be, as all ME2 squadmates had better frackin' be.

I sincerely hope Bioware goes the distance and then a little extra, crafting ME3 in such a way that every character you've come to know and love will be available for use in ME3.  Does this mean extra work, as in some people's saves some characters will be dead, thus the writing rendered null for that playthrough?  Yes.  But it's far better than the alternative.

ME2 was the recruitment phase of the story.  I already assembled my crack team of intergalactic badasses, that work has been done.  I swear on all that is light and fluffy that if they try and make me spend more time in ME3 re-doing the damned recruitment drive nonsense I'll frisbee my playdisc out the window and never look back.

Personally, I don't think they should add any new team members, or add very few like Kaiden and Liara.  If you kept all your team members alive during the suicide mission, you get to have them all back.  If you killed most of them and end up with two or three, you have to live with the consequences in ME 3 and get by with what you got

Indeed.  Or maybe add a few new characters for those people that killed nearly everyone off on their ME2 run but survived themselves.  But for those of us who "beat the odds" (which I think is a weird thing to say about everyone living, I've found it harder to actually get someone killed than get everyone out alive) then every single member that I spent my time and effort recruiting and making loyal should make their return.  Ash/Kaidan/Liara should return as well.

It would be such an accomplishment were Bioware to do this, they would be able to truly say "Your Shepard is your Shepard throughout the Mass Effect series."

If they force us to recruit new squaddies every game, then it really isn't my Shepard at all, is it?  Because not a damned thing I did in the previous title made one bit of difference anywhere but in the flavor text.  I'm playing the same Shepard as everyone else, with the same new squad of greenhorns to break in.  Even though I busted my hump and forcefully dragged everyone from ME2 to glory with me, kicking and screaming.

So, go for the gold, Bioware!  Write that extra story!  Burn that extra oil!  Don't settle for easy to make!  Craft me an epic universe where my decisions and actions matter on such a basic level as who I can choose to watch my ass while I charge the gates of Hell, dammit.

[Jake71887]

So I wake up to being tricked into giving keyloggers my old WoW acct info... how are you fine people, on this super day? <_<

[malkiah13]

intersect wrote...

malkiah13 wrote...

Im cool with them adding to or 3 new squaddies, but I agree with roninraver. ME2 was A LOT of recruitment, and with the loyalty missions there was a lot of character development. ME3 needs to bring back the old characters and have most of the gameplay focus on the actual story like mE1 did

I always felt that recruitment and making a team were infact part of the actual story.

Eh I didn't. Don't get me wrong, I liked the actual missions; garrus's was extreamly well done I thought; but in ME1 you get them all literally in the course of your chasing saren. ME2 you just kinda...go find them. The game only has like 4 "real" missions, and of horizon, the collector ship, the reaper iff, and the suicide mission, I generally liked the recruitment and loyalty missions better than all of those but the suicide mission. ME2 was just a game to advance the story a bit and get you really in touch with your crew I thought...

[Formis_Sage]

1490 wrote...

Roninraver wrote...

malkiah13 wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

Seriously guys; do you think Tali will make it?

If you're asking if she will be a squaddie in ME3, then no, I don't think so. I HOPE so, but I don't see bioware putting in an entire character who's dead for half of the people...

She'd better frackin' be, as all ME2 squadmates had better frackin' be.

I sincerely hope Bioware goes the distance and then a little extra, crafting ME3 in such a way that every character you've come to know and love will be available for use in ME3.  Does this mean extra work, as in some people's saves some characters will be dead, thus the writing rendered null for that playthrough?  Yes.  But it's far better than the alternative.

ME2 was the recruitment phase of the story.  I already assembled my crack team of intergalactic badasses, that work has been done.  I swear on all that is light and fluffy that if they try and make me spend more time in ME3 re-doing the damned recruitment drive nonsense I'll frisbee my playdisc out the window and never look back.

Personally, I don't think they should add any new team members, or add very few like Kaiden and Liara.  If you kept all your team members alive during the suicide mission, you get to have them all back.  If you killed most of them and end up with two or three, you have to live with the consequences in ME 3 and get by with what you got

I agree with you, This is exactly my opinion too. In ME3 you will get back all of your teammates from the first and  the second game.
Who of them will be dead and you won't get him back depends on you and your actions and it will be your disadvantage. I think this would make the ME3 more interesting and give more differences between individual players and their stories.

[Roninraver]

Jake71887 wrote...

So I wake up to being tricked into giving keyloggers my old WoW acct info... how are you fine people, on this super day? <_<

*runs a finger over his Blizzard authenticator*

I'm doing fabulous, thank you for asking. 

[Jake71887]

Roninraver wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

So I wake up to being tricked into giving keyloggers my old WoW acct info... how are you fine people, on this super day? <_<

*runs a finger over his Blizzard authenticator*

I'm doing fabulous, thank you for asking. 

Oh, and I just had to clean up dog menstrual blood... This morning's events do not bode well for me... 

[Phil725]

As more and more time passes, I'm feeling better and better about the ME2 cast coming back for ME3.  Once you get over the whole "everyone can die" point, all signs point to them being back. 

First of all, writing in a complete new character is by no means the easy way out.  We already know that all ME2 characters would at least be back as cameos.  If you write in say a new turian character to replace Garrus, you have to come up with a lot of dialogue for him, enough to appease the fans at least, and then you need to come up with even more for the new character.  And then to try and make the new character not instantly hated because he repalaced someone's favorite character?  In total, that's a lot more than just having Garrus as a squadmember with a dead/alive flag.

Think of how much work they put into Wrex's character.  Not as much as one of your squadmembers, but if they have to do that 11 times, on top of 10 new squadmembers, now that's a lot of work.

The biggest thing though, its just so stupid to get rid of the new characters, that I can't see Bioware doing it.  I think we would all agree that they're a smart company that listens to its fans.  Antagonizing everyone is not a good business move no matter how you look at it.  Your passing up any marketing advantage you had, and your missing out on free purchases from fans of ME2.  I know I'm not the only one who won't buy ME3 if there are more new characters.

The stance I'm actually starting to lean to is that Bioware will only let you import if you saved everyone.  It would really be a cop out on their part, but would anyone really have a problem with it?

[UFOash]

Phil725 wrote...

As more and more time passes, I'm feeling better and better about the ME2 cast coming back for ME3.  Once you get over the whole "everyone can die" point, all signs point to them being back. 

First of all, writing in a complete new character is by no means the easy way out.  We already know that all ME2 characters would at least be back as cameos.  If you write in say a new turian character to replace Garrus, you have to come up with a lot of dialogue for him, enough to appease the fans at least, and then you need to come up with even more for the new character.  And then to try and make the new character not instantly hated because he repalaced someone's favorite character?  In total, that's a lot more than just having Garrus as a squadmember with a dead/alive flag.

Think of how much work they put into Wrex's character.  Not as much as one of your squadmembers, but if they have to do that 11 times, on top of 10 new squadmembers, now that's a lot of work.

The biggest thing though, its just so stupid to get rid of the new characters, that I can't see Bioware doing it.  I think we would all agree that they're a smart company that listens to its fans.  Antagonizing everyone is not a good business move no matter how you look at it.  Your passing up any marketing advantage you had, and your missing out on free purchases from fans of ME2.  I know I'm not the only one who won't buy ME3 if there are more new characters.

The stance I'm actually starting to lean to is that Bioware will only let you import if you saved everyone.  It would really be a cop out on their part, but would anyone really have a problem with it?

YES! I'm glad some died in my Mission it made it interesting.
If I have to save everyone this game has just lost it main point, to make the character whatever the player wants him to be!

[RevanKun123]

Jake71887 wrote...

So I wake up to being tricked into giving keyloggers my old WoW acct info... how are you fine people, on this super day? <_<

I just came back from eating and what do I found? Pevert N°1 is here.
By the way I feel horrible like always.

[Archonsg]

also, no fear of Tali making into ME3. fear of Tali being sidelined into cameo role, more real. Hence the support here.

[Jake71887]

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

So I wake up to being tricked into giving keyloggers my old WoW acct info... how are you fine people, on this super day? <_<

I just came back from eating and what do I found? Pevert N°1 is here.
By the way I feel horrible like always.

Hello Emo#1 

[DrakeforBake]

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

So I wake up to being tricked into giving keyloggers my old WoW acct info... how are you fine people, on this super day? <_<

I just came back from eating and what do I found? Pevert N°1 is here.
By the way I feel horrible like always.

Morning precious.<3

Jake, TMI btw.

Tali for squad 2012! <3:wizard:

[Jake71887]

DrakeforBake wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

So I wake up to being tricked into giving keyloggers my old WoW acct info... how are you fine people, on this super day? <_<

I just came back from eating and what do I found? Pevert N°1 is here.
By the way I feel horrible like always.

Morning precious.<3

Jake, TMI btw.

Tali for squad 2012! <3:wizard:

I had to share my pain 

[UFOash]

Won't there have been a new Xbox created by 2012?

[DrakeforBake]

Jake71887 wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

So I wake up to being tricked into giving keyloggers my old WoW acct info... how are you fine people, on this super day? <_<

I just came back from eating and what do I found? Pevert N°1 is here.
By the way I feel horrible like always.

Morning precious.<3

Jake, TMI btw.

Tali for squad 2012! <3:wizard:

I had to share my pain 

Sir, please. It was hard enough choking breakfast down with worrying of it coming back up.

[malkiah13]

Phil725 wrote...

As more and more time passes, I'm feeling better and better about the ME2 cast coming back for ME3.  Once you get over the whole "everyone can die" point, all signs point to them being back. 

First of all, writing in a complete new character is by no means the easy way out.  We already know that all ME2 characters would at least be back as cameos.  If you write in say a new turian character to replace Garrus, you have to come up with a lot of dialogue for him, enough to appease the fans at least, and then you need to come up with even more for the new character.  And then to try and make the new character not instantly hated because he repalaced someone's favorite character?  In total, that's a lot more than just having Garrus as a squadmember with a dead/alive flag.

Think of how much work they put into Wrex's character.  Not as much as one of your squadmembers, but if they have to do that 11 times, on top of 10 new squadmembers, now that's a lot of work.

The biggest thing though, its just so stupid to get rid of the new characters, that I can't see Bioware doing it.  I think we would all agree that they're a smart company that listens to its fans.  Antagonizing everyone is not a good business move no matter how you look at it.  Your passing up any marketing advantage you had, and your missing out on free purchases from fans of ME2.  I know I'm not the only one who won't buy ME3 if there are more new characters.

The stance I'm actually starting to lean to is that Bioware will only let you import if you saved everyone.  It would really be a cop out on their part, but would anyone really have a problem with it?

Wow...you actually gave me a new perspective on this. Its true! If they replaced garrus with some other turian, they would have to spend tons of time making him REALLY awesome, otherwise everyone would just say "I hate that stupid garrus replacement! He sucks!" so bioware would have to do an equal amount of work to replace ALL the characters without being hated...hmm I have hope now. Also though, personally think suicide mission plays out best if a few people die, makes shepards speech near the end kickass

[Roninraver]

Phil725 wrote...

As more and more time passes, I'm feeling better and better about the ME2 cast coming back for ME3.  Once you get over the whole "everyone can die" point, all signs point to them being back. 

First of all, writing in a complete new character is by no means the easy way out.  We already know that all ME2 characters would at least be back as cameos.  If you write in say a new turian character to replace Garrus, you have to come up with a lot of dialogue for him, enough to appease the fans at least, and then you need to come up with even more for the new character.  And then to try and make the new character not instantly hated because he repalaced someone's favorite character?  In total, that's a lot more than just having Garrus as a squadmember with a dead/alive flag.

Think of how much work they put into Wrex's character.  Not as much as one of your squadmembers, but if they have to do that 11 times, on top of 10 new squadmembers, now that's a lot of work.

The biggest thing though, its just so stupid to get rid of the new characters, that I can't see Bioware doing it.  I think we would all agree that they're a smart company that listens to its fans.  Antagonizing everyone is not a good business move no matter how you look at it.  Your passing up any marketing advantage you had, and your missing out on free purchases from fans of ME2.  I know I'm not the only one who won't buy ME3 if there are more new characters.

The stance I'm actually starting to lean to is that Bioware will only let you import if you saved everyone.  It would really be a cop out on their part, but would anyone really have a problem with it?

I would, because of the reasons I cited previously.  Then Bioware would not be living up to its mantra that "Your Shepard is your Shepard, and this is his/her story, throughout the series."

Taking that route would render all but the most inconsequential decisions and actions moot, leaving the "unique" character you have lovingly tended through two titles so far a carbon copy of absolutely everyone else's in all respects but for the flavor text.

I will most certainly have a problem with such a cop out measure, as it is most certainly NOT what we have been promised.

So Bioware has to do a little more scripting/voice over work/thinking about how all of these characters that may or may not have died will interact in ME3.  That's a GOOD thing.  We want our developers to be meeting and exceeding ambitious goals like this, it's the only way video games will continue to progress in any manner other than graphical shine.  By setting ambitious goals, advertising that you've set an ambitious goal, and then putting their money where their mouths are.

If any developer can do it, I know it'd be you, Bioware!  Make me proud!

[Jake71887]

UFOash wrote...

Won't there have been a new Xbox created by 2012?

\\

The next Xbox is supposedly just this xbox with a natal built in... 

[Phil725]

Archonsg wrote...

also, no fear of Tali making into ME3. fear of Tali being sidelined into cameo role, more real. Hence the support here.

I'm actually afraid of getting Ashley/Liara'd a lot more.  If they made her into a cool side character like Wrex, and you could continue the romance and everything, but she wasn't a squadmember I would be mad.  That doesn't come close to what my reaction would be if they turned Tali into Ashley.  I feel betrayed that I defended Ashley on random forums after ME1.  They completely murdered anything likable about her character, and now I can't stand her in ME1 or 2.

Its one thing if they destroy my enjoyment of ME3, its a whole different thing if they taint my view of Tali by absolutely ruining her character.

[DrakeforBake]

UFOash wrote...

Won't there have been a new Xbox created by 2012?

Sony and Microsoft pretty much said no. They're probably recouping losses.

[1490]

Archonsg wrote...

also, no fear of Tali making into ME3. fear of Tali being sidelined into cameo role, more real. Hence the support here.

That's what I would see as the more popular scenario. I have no doubt they will continue to allow the romances from ME 1 to continue, but have them be more of a "visit your lady on shore leave" thing where they stay in one place and have a few pieces of dialogue.  Hopefully we'll get Tali in the actual squad by making our case here.

[Jake71887]

DrakeforBake wrote...

Sir, please. It was hard enough choking breakfast down with worrying of it coming back up.

Then I've succeeded in sharing my pain