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[Joekababazae]

Iclonic wrote...

Joekababazae wrote...

Iclonic wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

CO2 is not a germ but can it kill a quarian?

Doubt it, they use CO2 scrubers for something...just don't know yet. (But i am guessing it's for sanitary reasons.)

recycles air

Really?  Where did you find this information? Codex I'm guessing right?

nope.  common knowledge

[Alphyn]

CrAzyManMike wrote...

Well I remember reading something somewhere that it was sometime in the 1800's when the Geth uprising happpened...so yeah didn't even have the car..let alone a decent combustion engine..if my history is correct

Christ, we're a really slow race.

[Zuranamee]

I will be taking my leave now, keelah sa'lai

[Iclonic]

Zuranamee wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

CO2 is not a germ but can it kill a quarian?

Due to a lack of Oxygen, which both Humans and Quarians need to (goes into a rant about mitochondria and ATP) and because there is no Oxygen to activate the ATP, the Quarian dies because it simply can't live with out cellular respiration.

It's cool, you Geth don't need to breathe so I understand.

Someone who doesn't hate our lack of cellular processes! amazing!

You know, i thought about how inefficient Cellular respriation is.  After evolving for billions of years...how come it isnt more...well...more efficient?

[1490]

Iclonic wrote...

1490 wrote...

Decurian wrote...

Iclonic wrote...

I have a question. If Quarians are in their suits all the time, how the heck do they clean their teeth? More specifically, what do Quarians do to keep themselves santized like that during their pilgrimage? (Like brushing teeth, grooming, etc.)

They're in a sterile environment. No bacteria to cause decay. Non-issue!

I'm going to open a can of worm here:

For most of these arguments, Bioware is comparing Quarian physiology to human physiology in the way their immune system works and reacts to toxins. So most of the discussions we have are assuming Tali has close to a human-style immune system too.

Well the difficulty comes with explaining normal body flora, or "harmless bacteria."  Humans have bacteria all through their digestive tracts that help them to digest certain types of foods and to properly process waste.  Without these bacteria, you would basically get extreme diarrhea, lose all your body nutrients, and die.  Normally these bacteria do not harm you, but if your immune system is greatly reduced, they can actually spread throughout your entire body and kill you.  This happens to people with AIDS (a virus that destroys your immune system), which is the closest thing I could compare to Quarian immunology.

Now, if Tali had these bacteria to help her digest food and absorb nutrients, chances are very high they would invade her bloodstream, make her sick, and kill her because she has hardly any immune response.  But, if she didn't have them, she may not be able to function properly and would die.  

Anyway, sort of a paradox, so what do other people think about this?

What are you saying is correct.  Out digestive system has an equilibrium.  The absence of either renders the system to disasterous results; each one with the possibility of death.  The two coexist with one another; it has too.

So how does Tali survive then?  Having bacteria +no immune system = blood infection = she dies.  No bacteria = poor nutrient and water absorption = she dies?

[chool77]

whats up guy



any thing going on i should know about?

[Iclonic]

Alphyn wrote...

CrAzyManMike wrote...

Well I remember reading something somewhere that it was sometime in the 1800's when the Geth uprising happpened...so yeah didn't even have the car..let alone a decent combustion engine..if my history is correct

Christ, we're a really slow race.

Well...Maybe if it werent for those damned crusades. We would be 400 years into the future technologically if they hadn't happened. Think where we would be right now!

[AventuroLegendary]

CrAzyManMike wrote...

byne wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

In all of this, I wonder what humans were doing during the major events in space? (krogan rebellions, Geth rebellions)

Krogan rebelled in 700 AD 

Geth rebelled in 1895 AD

Humans were doing boring stuff back then

Haha we didn't even have semi-decent ways to get around the planet in those times

I wonder what aliens think of WWII and human genocide...

[byne]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

byne wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

In all of this, I wonder what humans were doing during the major events in space? (krogan rebellions, Geth rebellions)

Krogan rebelled in 700 AD 

Geth rebelled in 1895 AD

Humans were doing boring stuff back then

Well this goes to show you that humans adapt FAST

Thats kinda the main theme of humanity in Mass Effect.

[CrAzyManMike]

Alphyn wrote...

CrAzyManMike wrote...

Well I remember reading something somewhere that it was sometime in the 1800's when the Geth uprising happpened...so yeah didn't even have the car..let alone a decent combustion engine..if my history is correct

Christ, we're a really slow race.

Those UFO sightings that happen nowadays...we all know those are salarians making sure we don't do anything crazy like the Krogan or Quarian scouts looking for a viable homeworld

[CrAzyManMike]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

CrAzyManMike wrote...

byne wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

In all of this, I wonder what humans were doing during the major events in space? (krogan rebellions, Geth rebellions)

Krogan rebelled in 700 AD 

Geth rebelled in 1895 AD

Humans were doing boring stuff back then

Haha we didn't even have semi-decent ways to get around the planet in those times

I wonder what aliens think of WWII and human genocide...

They would think we are no better than the Krogan

[1490]

Iclonic wrote...

Zuranamee wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

CO2 is not a germ but can it kill a quarian?

Due to a lack of Oxygen, which both Humans and Quarians need to (goes into a rant about mitochondria and ATP) and because there is no Oxygen to activate the ATP, the Quarian dies because it simply can't live with out cellular respiration.

It's cool, you Geth don't need to breathe so I understand.

Someone who doesn't hate our lack of cellular processes! amazing!

You know, i thought about how inefficient Cellular respriation is.  After evolving for billions of years...how come it isnt more...well...more efficient?

25% efficient: that's not *that* bad considering we use a lot of the waste (heat) for other functions. 

[AventuroLegendary]

byne wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

byne wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

In all of this, I wonder what humans were doing during the major events in space? (krogan rebellions, Geth rebellions)

Krogan rebelled in 700 AD 

Geth rebelled in 1895 AD

Humans were doing boring stuff back then

Well this goes to show you that humans adapt FAST

Thats kinda the main theme of humanity in Mass Effect.

I thought it was the vorcha's

[Iclonic]

1490 wrote...

Iclonic wrote...

1490 wrote...

Decurian wrote...

Iclonic wrote...

I have a question. If Quarians are in their suits all the time, how the heck do they clean their teeth? More specifically, what do Quarians do to keep themselves santized like that during their pilgrimage? (Like brushing teeth, grooming, etc.)

They're in a sterile environment. No bacteria to cause decay. Non-issue!

I'm going to open a can of worm here:

For most of these arguments, Bioware is comparing Quarian physiology to human physiology in the way their immune system works and reacts to toxins. So most of the discussions we have are assuming Tali has close to a human-style immune system too.

Well the difficulty comes with explaining normal body flora, or "harmless bacteria."  Humans have bacteria all through their digestive tracts that help them to digest certain types of foods and to properly process waste.  Without these bacteria, you would basically get extreme diarrhea, lose all your body nutrients, and die.  Normally these bacteria do not harm you, but if your immune system is greatly reduced, they can actually spread throughout your entire body and kill you.  This happens to people with AIDS (a virus that destroys your immune system), which is the closest thing I could compare to Quarian immunology.

Now, if Tali had these bacteria to help her digest food and absorb nutrients, chances are very high they would invade her bloodstream, make her sick, and kill her because she has hardly any immune response.  But, if she didn't have them, she may not be able to function properly and would die.  

Anyway, sort of a paradox, so what do other people think about this?

What are you saying is correct.  Out digestive system has an equilibrium.  The absence of either renders the system to disasterous results; each one with the possibility of death.  The two coexist with one another; it has too.

So how does Tali survive then?  Having bacteria +no immune system = blood infection = she dies.  No bacteria = poor nutrient and water absorption = she dies?

She is after all a Quarian...Maybe she does have bacteria that coexists with her digestive system? Maybe she doesn't even need a coexisting system.  Who knows? Bioware! Elaborate for us damnit! 

[Pauravi]

1490 wrote...

Now, if Tali had these bacteria to help her digest food and absorb nutrients, chances are very high they would invade her bloodstream, make her sick, and kill her because she has hardly any immune response.  But, if she didn't have them, she may not be able to function properly and would die.  

Anyway, sort of a paradox, so what do other people think about this?

Tali mentions that, on her home planet, most microorganisms were not virulent.  It is possible that their natural digestive flora would naturally confine themselves to the places where they help instead of hurt?  There are a few biological mechanisms I could imagine by which this could come about.

[byne]

Iclonic wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

CrAzyManMike wrote...

Well I remember reading something somewhere that it was sometime in the 1800's when the Geth uprising happpened...so yeah didn't even have the car..let alone a decent combustion engine..if my history is correct

Christ, we're a really slow race.

Well...Maybe if it werent for those damned crusades. We would be 400 years into the future technologically if they hadn't happened. Think where we would be right now!

[Joekababazae]

CrAzyManMike wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

CrAzyManMike wrote...

Well I remember reading something somewhere that it was sometime in the 1800's when the Geth uprising happpened...so yeah didn't even have the car..let alone a decent combustion engine..if my history is correct

Christ, we're a really slow race.

Those UFO sightings that happen nowadays...we all know those are salarians making sure we don't do anything crazy like the Krogan or Quarian scouts looking for a viable homeworld

tru dat.  I live in the town where on of the most famous UFO incidents happened

[MMA7FF]

chool77 wrote...

whats up guy

any thing going on i should know about?

idk i walked away for awhile this thread changes topic every few seconds unless they get on a topic like kill the geth or not or wether TIM is evil or if tali should be gay lo

[AventuroLegendary]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

CrAzyManMike wrote...

byne wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

In all of this, I wonder what humans were doing during the major events in space? (krogan rebellions, Geth rebellions)

Krogan rebelled in 700 AD 

Geth rebelled in 1895 AD

Humans were doing boring stuff back then

Haha we didn't even have semi-decent ways to get around the planet in those times

I wonder what aliens think of WWII and human genocide...

"Hey! They're just as f*cked up as we are!"

I thought you were a turian. What do you mean "we"?

[1490]

Iclonic wrote...

1490 wrote...



So how does Tali survive then?  Having bacteria +no immune system = blood infection = she dies.  No bacteria = poor nutrient and water absorption = she dies?

She is after all a Quarian...Maybe she does have bacteria that coexists with her digestive system? Maybe she doesn't even need a coexisting system.  Who knows? Bioware! Elaborate for us damnit! 

Yeah, their immune systems must work on different principles, or they mix pills into their food that take the place of the bacterial enzymes that aid in digestion.  I tend to assume a lot of detail from Bioware in the medical area because the founders/presidents are MDs

Modifié par 1490, 07 mars 2010 - 01:22 .

[CrAzyManMike]

byne wrote...

Mother f**ker...no wonder.
The reason we haven't made contact yet...aliens look at our planet and go "Sh!t son, they can't even get along with eachother....what are the chances of them even trying to get along with us?"