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[Archonsg]

If we all think about it, Tali's personality and her dedication to her race will be the real hurdle to overcome in any real long term relationship with Shepard. For one thing whether its a war with the Geth, or with the reapers, lots of Quarians will die. Like in Battlestar Galactica, one of the major hurdles just to survive as a race, is not just having numbers, its also having xxx numbers of adults, breeding adults with xxx numbers of children and a war like that one they will face will take a heavy toll on the Quarians as a whole. Like it or not, the Quarians will need every fertile female to breed and perhaps even change their view on "marriages" if the are to survive / keep their genenic pool diverse enough not to fall into a downward spiral of interbreeding and thus further weakening or killing their race entirely.

Unless both Shepard and Tali can find a way to make shepard "Quarian".



The romantic in me wants to see them have the "...and they lived happily after..." ending but the realist in me can't see it becuase of what I know and feel to be a real obstacle in their relationship.

Can Bioware work something out, can they write a believeable tale that would make us happy, bringing both Tali and Shepard together? I hope so. I am counting on them, but I will expect the worse while hoping for the best.

[FlashedMyDrive]

Somebody1003 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Ever notice that Tali always wears a mask?

Tali is rad

Don't take my shtick.


But I agree.

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 08 mars 2010 - 05:26 .

[cannedcream]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
I think Kal was also a bit older then her and just liked her as a friend and had respect for her.

I think he was basically treating her like that because she was an admiral's daughter.

Yeah, and it was his job to keep her safe on Haestrom.

I got the feeling that there was some kind of respect for Tali, the things that she's done, and the skill set that she has, but I'm not sure where people are getting the idea of there being any kind of romantic interest.

[Himmelstor]

HipHop402 wrote...

Blehh!!. Who remembers Mordin's personal loyalty mission back on tuchanka? after finding the dead human body Mordin mentions that humans are very diverse in their genes and that makes them viable test subjects for all races because they have similar outcomes i assume. Did this give anyone else hope in believing Tali & Shepard may be compatible?. ;}

Not really. Reversed DNA. Can't really work without...
...wait...could be viable...yes...
*Begins preliminary research*

[Zack56]

I must say that I am indead suprized that the moderators let this thread reach over 2000 pages. With this much fandom over Tali, they would get mauled by every talimancer they met if they didn't put her in the next game...

[vykvyper1]

MarineBorn wrote...

Tali’Zorah nar Rayya- born 2161 CE

Shepard- born 2154 CE

don't forget, Shepard's missing 2 years somewhere in there lol

[Strawberry Kiwi]

HipHop402 wrote...

Blehh!!. Who remembers Mordin's personal loyalty mission back on tuchanka? after finding the dead human body Mordin mentions that humans are very diverse in their genes and that makes them viable test subjects for all races because they have similar outcomes i assume. Did this give anyone else hope in believing Tali & Shepard may be compatible?. ;}

A couple of people here attempted the false hope here, saying Mordin could make them compatible with each other.
Also, alickar likes Whales, or so I've heard.

[PMorgan18]

sergio71785 wrote...

While on the subject of a sterilization unit for Shepard's cabin... 

Tali: Hey Shepard?

Shepard: Yes Tali?

Tali: I don't suppose we have some extra resources? I need about 100,000 units of Iridium and Platinum...

Shepard: Whoa, One hundred THOUSAND units of Iridium and platinum? I'm sorry Tali, we just don't have that. What could you possibly need those resources for anyway?

Tali: Oh...it's okay, I understand. I was just wondering, because I found these plans on the extranet for a continuous  sterilization unit for your cabin that would let me be out of my suit and--

Shepard: EDI! START SCANNING EVERY PLANET IN THE SYSTEM. Launch every probe we have! LAUNCH PROBES EVERYWHERE! NOW!

Shepard: Also getting a team ready we are going to raid the next fuel depot.

[sergio71785]

Archonsg wrote...

If we all think about it, Tali's personality and her dedication to her race will be the real hurdle to overcome in any real long term relationship with Shepard. For one thing whether its a war with the Geth, or with the reapers, lots of Quarians will die. Like in Battlestar Galactica, one of the major hurdles just to survive as a race, is not just having numbers, its also having xxx numbers of adults, breeding adults with xxx numbers of children and a war like that one they will face will take a heavy toll on the Quarians as a whole. Like it or not, the Quarians will need every fertile female to breed and perhaps even change their view on "marriages" if the are to survive / keep their genenic pool diverse enough not to fall into a downward spiral of interbreeding and thus further weakening or killing their race entirely.
Unless both Shepard and Tali can find a way to make shepard "Quarian".

The romantic in me wants to see them have the "...and they lived happily after..." ending but the realist in me can't see it becuase of what I know and feel to be a real obstacle in their relationship.
Can Bioware work something out, can they write a believeable tale that would make us happy, bringing both Tali and Shepard together? I hope so. I am counting on them, but I will expect the worse while hoping for the best.

I can't imagine their numbers getting so low where one female's kids can make a difference.

Besides, consider this. Assuming the reapers are defeated, and there's peace and all that. There's a super-high chance that Shepard will end up a member of the Council. By being hooked up with a man in that position, she'll be able to help out the Quarians far more than she ever could just by making babies. 

[Landline]

MarineBorn wrote...

Tali’Zorah nar Rayya- born 2161 CE

Shepard- born 2154 CE

So seven years difference? Take away the two years he spent dead and its a five year difference.

Not big enough of a difference to make it an issue.

[Collider]

Archonsg wrote...

If we all think about it, Tali's personality and her dedication to her race will be the real hurdle to overcome in any real long term relationship with Shepard. For one thing whether its a war with the Geth, or with the reapers, lots of Quarians will die.

Rather than worrying about producing children, the best thing that Tali can do to help the Quarians is to help Shepard defeat the Reapers. The Geth are largely defeated as aggressors to the Quarians if you helped Legion. The only real worry are the geth being indoctrinated by the reapers again, and the quarians learning that they can live in peace with the geth.

Like it or not, the Quarians will need every fertile female to breed and perhaps even change their view on "marriages" if the are to survive / keep their genenic pool diverse enough not to fall into a downward spiral of interbreeding and thus further weakening or killing their race entirely.

I think you're exaggerating. Ultimately one quarian not reproducing makes little difference - as most Quarians are in flotilla ships anyway, there's plenty of quarians to go around. Most Quarians have relationships with other Quarians due to their way of life in addition to physiology. These ships are crowded, it's not as if there is a deficiency in numbers.

Can Bioware work something out, can they write a believeable tale that would make us happy, bringing both Tali and Shepard together? I hope so. I am counting on them, but I will expect the worse while hoping for the best.

Of course they can. There's no reason why they won't be able to.

[Felipe 058]

sergio71785 wrote...

While on the subject of a sterilization unit for Shepard's cabin... 

Tali: Hey Shepard?

Shepard: Yes Tali?

Tali: I don't suppose we have some extra resources? I need about 100,000 units of Iridium and Platinum...

Shepard: Whoa, One hundred THOUSAND units of Iridium and platinum? I'm sorry Tali, we just don't have that. What could you possibly need those resources for anyway?

Tali: Oh...it's okay, I understand. I was just wondering, because I found these plans on the extranet for a continuous  sterilization unit for your cabin that would let me be out of my suit and--

Shepard: EDI! START SCANNING EVERY PLANET IN THE SYSTEM. Launch every probe we have! LAUNCH PROBES EVERYWHERE! NOW!

This is how the "Probe Uranus twice!" and then "Hell, probe MYanus twice!" got started...

[sergio71785]

Somebody1003 wrote...
I doubt Shepard would want to be a councilor.
Looks at Anderson, he doesnt care for it much after military life.

Shepard's not going to be able to go running around shooting at stuff forever, nor would he want to. 

Anderson doesn't care much for it, but he stays because he knows it's for the best. I doubt he wouldn't be able to leave if he wanted to.

Modifié par sergio71785, 08 mars 2010 - 05:34 .

[cannedcream]

Archonsg wrote...

If we all think about it, Tali's personality and her dedication to her race will be the real hurdle to overcome in any real long term relationship with Shepard. For one thing whether its a war with the Geth, or with the reapers, lots of Quarians will die. Like in Battlestar Galactica, one of the major hurdles just to survive as a race, is not just having numbers, its also having xxx numbers of adults, breeding adults with xxx numbers of children and a war like that one they will face will take a heavy toll on the Quarians as a whole. Like it or not, the Quarians will need every fertile female to breed and perhaps even change their view on "marriages" if the are to survive / keep their genenic pool diverse enough not to fall into a downward spiral of interbreeding and thus further weakening or killing their race entirely.
Unless both Shepard and Tali can find a way to make shepard "Quarian".

The romantic in me wants to see them have the "...and they lived happily after..." ending but the realist in me can't see it becuase of what I know and feel to be a real obstacle in their relationship.
Can Bioware work something out, can they write a believeable tale that would make us happy, bringing both Tali and Shepard together? I hope so. I am counting on them, but I will expect the worse while hoping for the best.

As much as I hate to admit it, you make several good points here.
Still, I'd like to think that Tali would remain loyal to Shepard. Even if the Quarians need to replenish their numbers for whatever reason, I want to believe that Tali would do whatever was needed to remove herself from that in order to remain faithful to Shepard.
However, I do think that the only thing in her heart that takes more priority to Shepard is the Fleet. If the Quarians do go to war with the Geth then I'm positive that she'll leave to go fight for her homeworld where, I honestly believe, she'll die. Tali has managed to cheat death several times now, but you can only do that for so long.

So I'm in the same boat: the romanic want's the fairy-tale ending, but the realist sees things ending badly. . .

[Zack56]

PMorgan18 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

While on the subject of a sterilization unit for Shepard's cabin... 

Tali: Hey Shepard?

Shepard: Yes Tali?

Tali: I don't suppose we have some extra resources? I need about 100,000 units of Iridium and Platinum...

Shepard: Whoa, One hundred THOUSAND units of Iridium and platinum? I'm sorry Tali, we just don't have that. What could you possibly need those resources for anyway?

Tali: Oh...it's okay, I understand. I was just wondering, because I found these plans on the extranet for a continuous  sterilization unit for your cabin that would let me be out of my suit and--

Shepard: EDI! START SCANNING EVERY PLANET IN THE SYSTEM. Launch every probe we have! LAUNCH PROBES EVERYWHERE! NOW!

Shepard: Also getting a team ready we are going to raid the next fuel depot.

Oh how I wish that could happen...

[Archonsg]

sergio71785 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

If we all think about it, Tali's personality and her dedication to her race will be the real hurdle to overcome in any real long term relationship with Shepard. For one thing whether its a war with the Geth, or with the reapers, lots of Quarians will die. Like in Battlestar Galactica, one of the major hurdles just to survive as a race, is not just having numbers, its also having xxx numbers of adults, breeding adults with xxx numbers of children and a war like that one they will face will take a heavy toll on the Quarians as a whole. Like it or not, the Quarians will need every fertile female to breed and perhaps even change their view on "marriages" if the are to survive / keep their genenic pool diverse enough not to fall into a downward spiral of interbreeding and thus further weakening or killing their race entirely.
Unless both Shepard and Tali can find a way to make shepard "Quarian".

The romantic in me wants to see them have the "...and they lived happily after..." ending but the realist in me can't see it becuase of what I know and feel to be a real obstacle in their relationship.
Can Bioware work something out, can they write a believeable tale that would make us happy, bringing both Tali and Shepard together? I hope so. I am counting on them, but I will expect the worse while hoping for the best.

I can't imagine their numbers getting so low where one female's kids can make a difference.

Besides, consider this. Assuming the reapers are defeated, and there's peace and all that. There's a super-high chance that Shepard will end up a member of the Council. By being hooked up with a man in that position, she'll be able to help out the Quarians far more than she ever could just by making babies. 

Never, ever discount a female's biological clock.
Trust me on this, know a few marriages that broke because of this and that's in RL...humans. So a Human-Quarian pairing chances are higher.
Like I said, I can see lots of reasons why Tali would want to stay with Shepard but there are just as many reasons for her not to, How Bioware goes with it....is what we are here for right? 
I honestly doubt any of the writers actually would want to monitor or even read this thread (the horror! )  but if for some miraculous reason they do, its my, our hope I believe that they would "find a way" for our couple no?
Just saying that if they don't, that is to be expected as well.

[Himmelstor]

cannedcream wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

If we all think about it, Tali's personality and her dedication to her race will be the real hurdle to overcome in any real long term relationship with Shepard. For one thing whether its a war with the Geth, or with the reapers, lots of Quarians will die. Like in Battlestar Galactica, one of the major hurdles just to survive as a race, is not just having numbers, its also having xxx numbers of adults, breeding adults with xxx numbers of children and a war like that one they will face will take a heavy toll on the Quarians as a whole. Like it or not, the Quarians will need every fertile female to breed and perhaps even change their view on "marriages" if the are to survive / keep their genenic pool diverse enough not to fall into a downward spiral of interbreeding and thus further weakening or killing their race entirely.
Unless both Shepard and Tali can find a way to make shepard "Quarian".

The romantic in me wants to see them have the "...and they lived happily after..." ending but the realist in me can't see it becuase of what I know and feel to be a real obstacle in their relationship.
Can Bioware work something out, can they write a believeable tale that would make us happy, bringing both Tali and Shepard together? I hope so. I am counting on them, but I will expect the worse while hoping for the best.

As much as I hate to admit it, you make several good points here.
Still, I'd like to think that Tali would remain loyal to Shepard. Even if the Quarians need to replenish their numbers for whatever reason, I want to believe that Tali would do whatever was needed to remove herself from that in order to remain faithful to Shepard.
However, I do think that the only thing in her heart that takes more priority to Shepard is the Fleet. If the Quarians do go to war with the Geth then I'm positive that she'll leave to go fight for her homeworld where, I honestly believe, she'll die. Tali has managed to cheat death several times now, but you can only do that for so long.

So I'm in the same boat: the romanic want's the fairy-tale ending, but the realist sees things ending badly. . .

Migrant Fleet has no population problem. Is just highly controlled. Cannot fall below or get too high above 17 million. One quarian gone only helps.

[vykvyper1]

Somebody1003 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

If we all think about it, Tali's personality and her dedication to her race will be the real hurdle to overcome in any real long term relationship with Shepard. For one thing whether its a war with the Geth, or with the reapers, lots of Quarians will die. Like in Battlestar Galactica, one of the major hurdles just to survive as a race, is not just having numbers, its also having xxx numbers of adults, breeding adults with xxx numbers of children and a war like that one they will face will take a heavy toll on the Quarians as a whole. Like it or not, the Quarians will need every fertile female to breed and perhaps even change their view on "marriages" if the are to survive / keep their genenic pool diverse enough not to fall into a downward spiral of interbreeding and thus further weakening or killing their race entirely.
Unless both Shepard and Tali can find a way to make shepard "Quarian".

The romantic in me wants to see them have the "...and they lived happily after..." ending but the realist in me can't see it becuase of what I know and feel to be a real obstacle in their relationship.
Can Bioware work something out, can they write a believeable tale that would make us happy, bringing both Tali and Shepard together? I hope so. I am counting on them, but I will expect the worse while hoping for the best.

I can't imagine their numbers getting so low where one female's kids can make a difference.

Besides, consider this. Assuming the reapers are defeated, and there's peace and all that. There's a super-high chance that Shepard will end up a member of the Council. By being hooked up with a man in that position, she'll be able to help out the Quarians far more than she ever could just by making babies. 

I doubt Shepard would want to be a councilor.
Looks at Anderson, he doesnt care for it much after military life.

if we somehow make peace between the Geth and the Quarians we might also be looking at the Quarian return to the council. So, in reverse of what you just said, say, if Tali was somehow made councilor... Humanity, by-way-of Shepard would gain benefit. *shrugs*