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sergio71785 wrote...
Shepard's not going to be able to go running around shooting at stuff forever, nor would he want to.

You assume Shepard would want to be a councilor. I know MY Sheapard wouldn't. He's tired of the bull**** he had to endure with the council already.

Anderson doesn't care much for it, but he stays because he knows it's for the best. I doubt he wouldn't be able to leave if he wanted to.

Anderson already has the job.

[Felipe 058]

sergio71785 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

If we all think about it, Tali's personality and her dedication to her race will be the real hurdle to overcome in any real long term relationship with Shepard. For one thing whether its a war with the Geth, or with the reapers, lots of Quarians will die. Like in Battlestar Galactica, one of the major hurdles just to survive as a race, is not just having numbers, its also having xxx numbers of adults, breeding adults with xxx numbers of children and a war like that one they will face will take a heavy toll on the Quarians as a whole. Like it or not, the Quarians will need every fertile female to breed and perhaps even change their view on "marriages" if the are to survive / keep their genenic pool diverse enough not to fall into a downward spiral of interbreeding and thus further weakening or killing their race entirely.
Unless both Shepard and Tali can find a way to make shepard "Quarian".

The romantic in me wants to see them have the "...and they lived happily after..." ending but the realist in me can't see it becuase of what I know and feel to be a real obstacle in their relationship.
Can Bioware work something out, can they write a believeable tale that would make us happy, bringing both Tali and Shepard together? I hope so. I am counting on them, but I will expect the worse while hoping for the best.

I can't imagine their numbers getting so low where one female's kids can make a difference.

Besides, consider this. Assuming the reapers are defeated, and there's peace and all that. There's a super-high chance that Shepard will end up a member of the Council. By being hooked up with a man in that position, she'll be able to help out the Quarians far more than she ever could just by making babies. 

The quarians have well over 17.5 million people, far more than enough to continue a species. The colonials had less than 30,000 at the end, and they were still able to continue. There are endangered species here on Earth that have had less than 100 and have bounced back. Once you get to less than about 40, genetic diversity is too low to be able to continue the species.

[vykvyper1]

Somebody1003 wrote...

vykvyper1 wrote...

if we somehow make peace between the Geth and the Quarians we might also be looking at the Quarian return to the council. So, in reverse of what you just said, say, if Tali was somehow made councilor... Humanity, by-way-of Shepard would gain benefit. *shrugs*

I dont think the Quarians were ever on the council, I think they just had en embassy.

yeah, maybe you're right... forget what I said then

[Himmelstor]

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Himmelstor wrote...
Migrant Fleet has no population problem. Is just highly controlled. Cannot fall below or get too high above 17 million. One quarian gone only helps.

Yes, like I said, there is no population deficiency within the Quarians. Their ships are already cramped. ONE Quarian who doesn't reproduce means jack ****. Some of the people in this thread are really pessimistic...

[cannedcream]

That reminded me of this:
Except instead of for the SMG its for Tali.

*comic snip*

EL OH EL!!!

If I ever found a planet, I would also name it Awesometopia.

[Felipe 058]

Collider wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...
Migrant Fleet has no population problem. Is just highly controlled. Cannot fall below or get too high above 17 million. One quarian gone only helps.

Yes, like I said, there is no population deficiency within the Quarians. Their ships are already cramped. ONE Quarian who doesn't reproduce means jack ****. Some of the people in this thread are really pessimistic...

And they don't think things through.

Oh, wait, that's me too 

[Phil725]

Archonsg wrote...

If we all think about it, Tali's personality and her dedication to her race will be the real hurdle to overcome in any real long term relationship with Shepard. For one thing whether its a war with the Geth, or with the reapers, lots of Quarians will die. Like in Battlestar Galactica, one of the major hurdles just to survive as a race, is not just having numbers, its also having xxx numbers of adults, breeding adults with xxx numbers of children and a war like that one they will face will take a heavy toll on the Quarians as a whole. Like it or not, the Quarians will need every fertile female to breed and perhaps even change their view on "marriages" if the are to survive / keep their genenic pool diverse enough not to fall into a downward spiral of interbreeding and thus further weakening or killing their race entirely.
Unless both Shepard and Tali can find a way to make shepard "Quarian".

The romantic in me wants to see them have the "...and they lived happily after..." ending but the realist in me can't see it becuase of what I know and feel to be a real obstacle in their relationship.
Can Bioware work something out, can they write a believeable tale that would make us happy, bringing both Tali and Shepard together? I hope so. I am counting on them, but I will expect the worse while hoping for the best.

Well one thing to consider with the quarians, is that its likely they would have to reclaim their homeworld before they would commit to any kind of war.  And they don't have problems breeding like the krogan, they just limit numbers due to space/resources.  If they had their planet, they could go crazy and have a population boom.

There are numerous believable ways that Bioware could put in to have the quarians regain their homeworld.  And once that happens, a lot of the problems you mentioned become obsolete.

As far as a happy ending with Tali, aside from the reapers killing everything, or Bioware pulling the ultimate cruelty, I don't see how they're getting broken apart.

[Himmelstor]

MarineBorn wrote...

Alright Tali loyalists, This Lance Coolie needs some shut eye. See ya'll tommorow.

Keelah Se'lai

Keelah Se'lai, MarineBorn, my friend!

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Regaining their homeworld isn't such a daunting task if you helped Legion. The Geth genuinely wanted to co-exist peacefully with the Quarians now. The greatest hurdle is convincing the Quarians this. That's a battle of words, not one of armies.

[Himmelstor]

Collider wrote...

Regaining their homeworld isn't such a daunting task if you helped Legion. The Geth genuinely wanted to co-exist peacefully with the Quarians now. The greatest hurdle is convincing the Quarians this. That's a battle of words, not one of armies.

Is so.

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I might also add that Tali has done an amazing amount for the quarians already. To ask her to be unfaithful to Shepard after all she's done would just be inconsiderate, as well as incredibly excessive. One quarian isn't going to make an ounce of difference in reproduction.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

Regaining their homeworld isn't such a daunting task if you helped Legion. The Geth genuinely wanted to co-exist peacefully with the Quarians now. The greatest hurdle is convincing the Quarians this. That's a battle of words, not one of armies.

Yeah, I agree.  I'm actually curious how Bioware is going to handle the situation.  I could see it solved with a single charm/intimidate option.  I feel like I could easily come up with a convincing paragraph that would lead the quarians towards peace.  Logically speaking though, being that easy doesn't make for a good game.  I'm curious how they will add in drama.

[cannedcream]

Wouldnt he rather remain as a Spectre though?
At least for a while, hes still young.

After all of this bull, I think Shepard would be looking forward to an early retirement.
Remember, Shepard never asked for any of this. He was was just another military man who suddenly had the fate of the world thrown upon him. He's a stronger than advrage man, but he's no 'chosen one'; just a poor bastared who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I believe at one point while talking to Grunt about finding ever-stronger enemies to fight Shepard remarks that it has to end someday.
Maybe this was me reading into things, but I took that as meaning he was looking forward to the day when he could step back from the spotlight and finally relax.

[Archonsg]

Collider wrote...

I think you're exaggerating. Ultimately one quarian not reproducing makes little difference - as most Quarians are in flotilla ships anyway, there's plenty of quarians to go around. Most Quarians have relationships with other Quarians due to their way of life in addition to physiology. These ships are crowded, it's not as if there is a deficiency in numbers.

Fair point.
But I think you missed my meaning. I am speaking from the viewpoint of after the Geth / Reaper war where I see the Quarians suffer huge or near catastrophic number of casualties.

Its not that she thinks she "alone" can help but because she has to.
Tali's character is "Migrant Fleet first" even when it comes to Shepard. I am not saying that she alone will turn the tide of replenishing the Quarian race (now that's a picture to hold in one's mind) but what I am saying is that she will feel that its her *duty* to help replenish her race and thus will leave Shepard.

[vykvyper1]

Collider wrote...

Regaining their homeworld isn't such a daunting task if you helped Legion. The Geth genuinely wanted to co-exist peacefully with the Quarians now. The greatest hurdle is convincing the Quarians this. That's a battle of words, not one of armies.

note to self: leave Grunt on the ship... bring a krantt that fights with words

[cannedcream]

Migrant Fleet has no population problem. Is just highly controlled. Cannot fall below or get too high above 17 million. One quarian gone only helps.

Possible, but the power and importance of a single person should never be ignored, Professor.

[sergio71785]

Archonsg wrote...

Never, ever discount a female's biological clock.
Trust me on this, know a few marriages that broke because of this and that's in RL...humans. So a Human-Quarian pairing chances are higher.
Like I said, I can see lots of reasons why Tali would want to stay with Shepard but there are just as many reasons for her not to, How Bioware goes with it....is what we are here for right? 
I honestly doubt any of the writers actually would want to monitor or even read this thread (the horror! )  but if for some miraculous reason they do, its my, our hope I believe that they would "find a way" for our couple no?
Just saying that if they don't, that is to be expected as well.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree then.  I just cannot imagine Tali leaving Shepard because she suddenly gets motherly instincts. She has never shown even the slightest hint of being particularly interested in kids at all. And even if she did, I can't see them surpassing how much she loves Shepard.

I think it was in my very first post in the Tali threads, where I described what a "perfect storm" of attraction she has for Shepard. When you factor in that Shepard would be a super-desirable male for any female, plus the fact that he's saved her life quite a few times, and the psychological void Tali would has for affection from a positive male role model in a position of authority due to her dad's lack of affection, it's basically a "perfect storm" scenario, how much attraction and feelings she would have for Shepard. Not to mention that he's her first love and the first person she had an intimate experience with.

Modifié par sergio71785, 08 mars 2010 - 05:47 .