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All Tali fans, read this! IT'S UP TO US TO KEEP TALI ALIVE! 3.0!!


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#55976
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apotheosic wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

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Aren't the Geth in Haestrom non-heretic? I mean, that's Geth territory, and It's my understanding that the heretic Geth left the "normal Geth" territory.

Oh snap, that proves it! Legion himself is a Talimancer! He's willing to kill his own for her! I bet the main reason he stumbled across that Quarian attack data on her omni-tool was because he was trying to find a holo of her on it. 

I'm curious as to how Legion even got access to Tali's omni-tool, any ideas?

being the socially subtle geth he is, he probably grabbed her arm and started poking the omni-tool.

I would love to actually see that happen in-game. Hell, I'd pay money for that.
Speaking of money, did anyone here buy that new Gamerpic pack just for the Tali pic?

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Mukora wrote...

I don't know if Scapels(sp?) still comes here, but I have something he could add to his quarian morphology thing, quarians aparently have bellybuttons (you can see Tali's through her suit) implying live birth.

Aunt Raans talk about being w/ Tali's mom for Tali's birth would seem to confirm the live birth part.

And yeah, Scalpels is in here from time to tim.

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Are... are we talking about BDSM now?



If so, I'm totally cool with that.

#55979
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Alphyn wrote...

Are... are we talking about BDSM now?

If so, I'm totally cool with that.


I don't think so, but good you see it that way

*cheers*

Bottle empty, man beeing thirsty has it's downsides

*off grabbing another Heineken*

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Jake71887 wrote...

1) That she had expectations, responsibility, and pressure growing up... more so than some other Quarians.

But that doesn't say anything about how she handled them, only that they were there.
It says more about her father and other Quarians than it says about her.


2) She wasn't in conditions similar to all other quarians.. most ships are different, and she was the daughter of an admiral, making her slightly different than quarians on even her own ship.

None of the conversations give any indiction that any of the ships harbor significantly different living conditions than the others.  Tali also completely downplays the differences between the conditions of her upbringing and the conditions of other Quarians; her strongest statement on the matter is "I probably had it a bit easier".  I don't honestly think this point has any significance.


Knowing why someone has certain personality traits, is just as important as knowing what they are

First of all, I have to disagree somewhat.  You cannot even begin know why until you know what first.

Next of all... well, I'm unsure how to explain myself any better than I have.  I already said that I'm not downplaying the importance of knowing where she comes from.  I know it can be insightful to know someone's background.  All I am saying is that it does not tell you anything about her actual personality traits.


sometimes more important... not everyone is upfront about who they truly are, taking everything as face value is naive.

I'm not suggesting that Tali would just tell you what her personality traits are, only pointing out that they didn't emerge from on-ship dialogue the way Wrex or Garrus' did. 

Garrus tells you about his frustrations with C-Sec restrictions, about his episode with Dr. Saleon, about his enthusiasm about being on a mission with a Spectre.  These all say something about Garrus as a character.  He doesn't spend lots of time rambling about Turian government, he talks about HIMSELF.  The same with Wrex.  He tells you about his ideas when he was a clan leader, he tells you about his conflict with his father and the old ways of the Krogan warlords.  He tells you about his exploits with his Commando friend Aleena.  The closest he comes to generalities about the Krogan is the one conversation branch about the genophage, which is still mostly ends up being his own take on the Krogan condition.

Tali doesn't tell you ANYTHING about things that she has done, or specific things that have happened to her, whether that be things that happened to her on the floatilla or during her pilgrimage.


That she had a tough life, but instead of giving into it, she stayed strong.. That she's a fighter

Then all Quarians must be fighters, because literally all of them have had a tough life; at least any that grew up on the floatilla.  I mean, ANY Quarian could have given you ALL of that information, with only a select few differences.  If you never keep her in your party, you learn virtually nothing about her that doesn't also apply to 99% of living Quarians.  That is my point.

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I'm not sure I'll be able to do the Legion related ones. I have a lot of Tali footage recorded, not so much Legion footage. Anyway, Here's an improved talihug gif, which is what I was working on when I asked for suggestions too.



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I have footage of when she's yelling at the volus, but it has subtitles. Maybe they'll work (her dialog was pretty funny afterall), I'll see.

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sm00thie88 wrote...

I don't think so, but good you see it that way

*cheers*

Bottle empty, man beeing thirsty has it's downsides

*off grabbing another Heineken*

Get me some Tali pictures while you're at it, please.

#55983
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#55984
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sm00thie88 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I might be mad, but there'd be no cause to wish ill on other characters.  That's the problem as I see it.


I totally agree with you. I did not wish them any harm regarding liara, but it's just a matter of fact that bioware messed her up completely.


It wouldn't be a story without conflict and drama.  Presumably, this will make her redemption and joyous return all the more sweet.

That said, I've noticed Liara fans insist she's the same as she always was ("I couldn't give you up!") and at the same time decry BW for messing her up.  Which is kind of a contradiction.

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sergio71785 wrote...

I'm not sure I'll be able to do the Legion related ones. .


The faith of all my believings is lying in your hands. I trust you, you'll find a way,

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Pauravi wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

1) That she had expectations, responsibility, and pressure growing up... more so than some other Quarians.

But that doesn't say anything about how she handled them, only that they were there.
It says more about her father and other Quarians than it says about her.


2) She wasn't in conditions similar to all other quarians.. most ships are different, and she was the daughter of an admiral, making her slightly different than quarians on even her own ship.

None of the conversations give any indiction that any of the ships harbor significantly different living conditions than the others.  Tali also completely downplays the differences between the conditions of her upbringing and the conditions of other Quarians; her strongest statement on the matter is "I probably had it a bit easier".  I don't honestly think this point has any significance.


Knowing why someone has certain personality traits, is just as important as knowing what they are

First of all, I have to disagree somewhat.  You cannot even begin know why until you know what first.

Next of all... well, I'm unsure how to explain myself any better than I have.  I already said that I'm not downplaying the importance of knowing where she comes from.  I know it can be insightful to know someone's background.  All I am saying is that it does not tell you anything about her actual personality traits.


sometimes more important... not everyone is upfront about who they truly are, taking everything as face value is naive.

I'm not suggesting that Tali would just tell you what her personality traits are, only pointing out that they didn't emerge from on-ship dialogue the way Wrex or Garrus' did. 

Garrus tells you about his frustrations with C-Sec restrictions, about his episode with Dr. Saleon, about his enthusiasm about being on a mission with a Spectre.  These all say something about Garrus as a character.  He doesn't spend lots of time rambling about Turian government, he talks about HIMSELF.  The same with Wrex.  He tells you about his ideas when he was a clan leader, he tells you about his conflict with his father and the old ways of the Krogan warlords.  He tells you about his exploits with his Commando friend Aleena.  The closest he comes to generalities about the Krogan is the one conversation branch about the genophage, which is still mostly ends up being his own take on the Krogan condition.

Tali doesn't tell you ANYTHING about things that she has done, or specific things that have happened to her, whether that be things that happened to her on the floatilla or during her pilgrimage.


That she had a tough life, but instead of giving into it, she stayed strong.. That she's a fighter

Then all Quarians must be fighters, because literally all of them have had a tough life; at least any that grew up on the floatilla.  I mean, ANY Quarian could have given you ALL of that information, with only a select few differences.  If you never keep her in your party, you learn virtually nothing about her that doesn't also apply to 99% of living Quarians.  That is my point.


Just gonna come out and say that I'm not gonna read all of this B)

#55987
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Jake71887 wrote...
Just gonna come out and say that I'm not gonna read all of this B)

I laughed.

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AubreyFleming wrote...

-SNIP, SNIP, SNIPPITY, SNIP-

What.

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sergio71785 wrote...
I have footage of when she's yelling at the volus, but it has subtitles. Maybe they'll work (her dialog was pretty funny afterall), I'll see.


Yeah, it's not going to work with the subtitles. :(

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

sm00thie88 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I might be mad, but there'd be no cause to wish ill on other characters.  That's the problem as I see it.


I totally agree with you. I did not wish them any harm regarding liara, but it's just a matter of fact that bioware messed her up completely.


It wouldn't be a story without conflict and drama.  Presumably, this will make her redemption and joyous return all the more sweet.

That said, I've noticed Liara fans insist she's the same as she always was ("I couldn't give you up!") and at the same time decry BW for messing her up.  Which is kind of a contradiction.


I think the contradiction starts at that point where you find out that she tells you those lines no matter if she was your LI or not.

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double it!

Modifié par sm00thie88, 09 mars 2010 - 08:48 .


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woah 2240

still goin strong I see

did I miss anything Important?

#55993
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I am intrigued.  Proceed.

It feels like the pure white eyes should be smaller, though.

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sergio71785 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...
I have footage of when she's yelling at the volus, but it has subtitles. Maybe they'll work (her dialog was pretty funny afterall), I'll see.


Yeah, it's not going to work with the subtitles. :(

Maybe you could put text over the original subtitles, like the subtitles, but bigger? Just a suggestion.

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Mukora wrote...

I don't know if Scapels(sp?) still comes here, but I have something he could add to his quarian morphology thing, quarians aparently have bellybuttons (you can see Tali's through her suit) implying live birth.


Lurking mostly. Have work to do. Have actually added belly buttons previously. Re-organizing list for clarity. Will place in blog once complete.

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MMA7FF wrote...

woah 2240
still goin strong I see
did I miss anything Important?

We've discovered that Tali likes BDSM.

#55997
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Alphyn wrote...

Hello everyone. Did I miss anything?

New DLC: heavy weapon, Arc Projector.  Lightning gun.  Nifty!

Um...  Tali is STILL awesome?

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

AubreyFleming wrote...

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I am intrigued.  Proceed.

It feels like the pure white eyes should be smaller, though.


Im pretty sure Its just her pupils that are suppose to be shining.

Modifié par MMA7FF, 09 mars 2010 - 08:50 .


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huntrrz wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

Hello everyone. Did I miss anything?

New DLC: heavy weapon, Arc Projector.  Lightning gun.  Nifty!

Um...  Tali is STILL awesome?

I didn't write that. :?

#56000
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sm00thie88 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

It wouldn't be a story without conflict and drama.  Presumably, this will make her redemption and joyous return all the more sweet.

That said, I've noticed Liara fans insist she's the same as she always was ("I couldn't give you up!") and at the same time decry BW for messing her up.  Which is kind of a contradiction.


I think the contradiction starts at that point where you find out that she tells you those lines no matter if she was your LI or not.

Meh, Tali likes Shep whether or not he was a jerk to her in ME1.  Stands to reason that Liara would be strongly attached to Shep either way.

The indicator of the relationship is the scene on the old Normandy and the kiss in her office anyway.