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[DarkwanderStorm]

I have awoken....Assuming direct control

[camoboy_19]

Just got up... What did I miss?

[FsDxRAGE]

just posted Chapter 5 of Snake in the Mud.

Enjoy, just lit a powder keg in this one

http://social.biowar...8913/blog/2692/

[The_KFD_Case]

Commandr Bond wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...
blah

from the Mass Effect Wikia:

This mission is reported to suffer from a glitch which results in the game's journal logging the OPPOSITE choice to the one actually made by the player. This is due to unusual button-mapping: Regardless of which location is highlighted in the menu, on the xBox pressing (A) saves the Industrial Area, while pressing ( saves the Residential District, and on the PC selecting "Save the Industrial Area" saves the Residential District and vice versa. However, while the journal lists the opposite area as being saved, the mission report lists the option chosen by the player. Also, after choosing which target to save, the game locks you in this mission forever.

Hope that helps

Thanks, yet I've just sent an e-mail to one of the BioWare staff members describing the bug for good measure.

[Jake71887]

camoboy_19 wrote...

Just got up... What did I miss?

Nothing new, everyone still loves Tali... 

[camoboy_19]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

BattleVisor wrote...

whats so great about Tali, I find her so nerdy and a clutz

That's why we love her

Although I don't think she's a clutz. You know, highly-skilled engineers generally aren't

Without nerds there'd be no forums...or internet...or computers...or electricity...or fire...

[RevanKun123]

camoboy_19 wrote...

Just got up... What did I miss?

This monstrosity : http://social.biowar...1528/blog/2690/

KFD stop glaring at me for being pessimist...Yes I can see you.

[Jake71887]

camoboy_19 wrote...

Without nerds there'd be no forums...or internet...or computers...or electricity...or fire...

Or blow up dolls... 

[Formis_Sage]

Hi guys. How are you doing? We (I have) have a nice evening ideal to talk about... Tali

[mothbanquet]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

I was off in ME land playing ME2. I just confirmed a bug in ME2. The N7 mission where you re-take the Franklin Alliance Javeling missile base from Batarians that have launched two missiles at the Watson colony, whichever option you select the opposite will happen! In other words, if you opt to save the residential area and the hundreds or thousands of colonists then then the game will think you saved the military/industrial sector which allows for the continue strategic viability of the colony. If you choose to save the military/industrial sector then the game will think you chose to save the residential area which will save the lives of the colonists but will result in the evacuation of the entire colony as it is no longer sustainable.

My Shep is more renegade than paragon but even he wouldn't sacrifice the lives of so many innocents.  That would just be mean.

See, my Shepard is a reflection of me and thus is a Paragon with the odd occassional Renegade action. On my first playthrough I was genuinely torn over that mission decision. There are sound arguments for either choice. Eventually I opted to save the colony or so I thought. I later discovered that in my completed mission log it showed up as though I had chosen to save the industrial area. I just played that mission on my second play through and this time I thought about it some more and chose to save the industrial sector. I noticed that it said "several hundred lives" whereas on my first play through I thought it said "several hundreds of thousands of lives".

Callous? Possibly, however given that our decisions have long term consequences and that habitable planets with viable colonies are limited (and the Watson colony is the only one of its size in the Sigurd system,) the long-term planning, pragmatic strategist in me would say that in the grand scheme of things the tragic loss of several hundred people is justifiable if it allows for a planet to become a new hub of human civilization and expansion. Still, my humanistic side recognizes that it's easy for me to say sitting safe and sound behind my monitor without a direct personal stake in the matter. The hundreds of people and their families in the Watson colony may not all share my more pragmatic sentiments. It's a brilliant example of BioWare forcing us to make an unhappy choice in a bad situation; either way we lose something highly valuable and we have to choose between the short term pay off vs. the long term pay off....I hope I'm never actually placed in a situation where I'd have to choose because from a leadership position I lean towards saving the backbone of the colony infrastructure that would allow us to settle new families and continue the growth of the colony....even if it means sacrificing hundreds of lives.

Well mate, I believe that the decision is relative to our own roles within the context.  Shepard is no longer part of the vast and complex system of colonzation and stretegic planning.  In fact, as grand and far-reaching as these issues may see it pales in comparison to the greater political picture.  Shepard must act in the interests of innicent life of all races as opposed to the machinations of those in power.  On the flip side of the coin, the military industrial complex of that colony could very well be conquered and used by a future enemy, posing even more problems for mankind's colonial efforts.
In the end the endless wherefores and whatnots matter little to those with such a relatively minute lifespan as humans.  Only that which is petinent to the present, to the here and now, can apply in most situations.  this applies to renegade actions as well, of course.  Sometimes you have to punch a guy in the face you get him out of the way as any delay will risk innocent life.  It isn't pleasant but then again being the saviour of a galaxy never is.
Anyway, I digress.  The preservation of innocent life is something that will always be favoured by myself.  A choice between a hundred and a thousand is no choice at all.  All we can do is do what are instincts tell us and, if you're the sort, pray.

funny about the bug though

[FsDxRAGE]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

just posted Chapter 5 of Snake in the Mud.
Enjoy, just lit a powder keg in this one
http://social.biowar...8913/blog/2692/

this might turn into a small book, or i might need to post longer chapters. not even close to finnishing it.

[Driving Ghost]

Archonsg wrote...

BattleVisor wrote...

whats so great about Tali, I find her so nerdy and a clutz

I don't know about you, but an infiltrator with Engineering / Biotic skills sounds pretty Nerdy to me too. Personally I think Nerds / Geeks ...you know people with brains are the true rulers of the world.
Besides, its good to interact with another nerd, especially the female kind. Its all about interfacing and the transfer of data.

This is why i've chosen Sentinel for my third playtrough. 
"O hi Tali I r have tech skills now too "

Plus, the tech armor is quite helpfull.

[camoboy_19]

Jake71887 wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

Without nerds there'd be no forums...or internet...or computers...or electricity...or fire...

Or blow up dolls... 

Now that I think of it.. There would be no Tali'Zorah!!!

[nitefyre410]

RevanKun123 wrote...

RaoulG4668 wrote...

 Shameless plug! Chapters Two and Three of Bloodshed are lacking in comments! Feedback keeps the story going! Please comment! 

Chapter Two: http://social.biowar...6690/blog/2649/

Chapter Three: http://social.biowar...6690/blog/2681/

I wish I had your confidence Raoul.

"Look back at her comments" THREE NOW? "faint"

 


MUHAAHAHAHA   it strike again...  keep up the good work  

[The_KFD_Case]

RevanKun123 wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

Just got up... What did I miss?

This monstrosity : http://social.biowar...1528/blog/2690/

KFD stop glaring at me for being pessimist...Yes I can see you.

Ahahahaha! Your words, both in this thread and in your fanfiction, have me laughing out loud frequently, Revan. Bless ya! :innocent:

[Jake71887]

camoboy_19 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

Without nerds there'd be no forums...or internet...or computers...or electricity...or fire...

Or blow up dolls... 

Now that I think of it.. There would be no Tali'Zorah!!!

And no creepy Tali dolls...

[sergio71785]

I got those ME1 Tali models in Garry's mod. They were part of pack called "Lillwasa's random christmas pack"

[Angelraid]

good morning fellow talimancers, or afternoon as the case may be.

[camoboy_19]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

Just got up... What did I miss?

This monstrosity : http://social.biowar...1528/blog/2690/

KFD stop glaring at me for being pessimist...Yes I can see you.

Ahahahaha! Your words, both in this thread and in your fanfiction, have me laughing out loud frequently, Revan. Bless ya! :innocent:

Yeah it was funny Fan Fiction. You should write more... Just for the love of God don't beat up Joker.

[The_KFD_Case]

mothbanquet wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

I was off in ME land playing ME2. I just confirmed a bug in ME2. The N7 mission where you re-take the Franklin Alliance Javeling missile base from Batarians that have launched two missiles at the Watson colony, whichever option you select the opposite will happen! In other words, if you opt to save the residential area and the hundreds or thousands of colonists then then the game will think you saved the military/industrial sector which allows for the continue strategic viability of the colony. If you choose to save the military/industrial sector then the game will think you chose to save the residential area which will save the lives of the colonists but will result in the evacuation of the entire colony as it is no longer sustainable.

My Shep is more renegade than paragon but even he wouldn't sacrifice the lives of so many innocents.  That would just be mean.

See, my Shepard is a reflection of me and thus is a Paragon with the odd occassional Renegade action. On my first playthrough I was genuinely torn over that mission decision. There are sound arguments for either choice. Eventually I opted to save the colony or so I thought. I later discovered that in my completed mission log it showed up as though I had chosen to save the industrial area. I just played that mission on my second play through and this time I thought about it some more and chose to save the industrial sector. I noticed that it said "several hundred lives" whereas on my first play through I thought it said "several hundreds of thousands of lives".

Callous? Possibly, however given that our decisions have long term consequences and that habitable planets with viable colonies are limited (and the Watson colony is the only one of its size in the Sigurd system,) the long-term planning, pragmatic strategist in me would say that in the grand scheme of things the tragic loss of several hundred people is justifiable if it allows for a planet to become a new hub of human civilization and expansion. Still, my humanistic side recognizes that it's easy for me to say sitting safe and sound behind my monitor without a direct personal stake in the matter. The hundreds of people and their families in the Watson colony may not all share my more pragmatic sentiments. It's a brilliant example of BioWare forcing us to make an unhappy choice in a bad situation; either way we lose something highly valuable and we have to choose between the short term pay off vs. the long term pay off....I hope I'm never actually placed in a situation where I'd have to choose because from a leadership position I lean towards saving the backbone of the colony infrastructure that would allow us to settle new families and continue the growth of the colony....even if it means sacrificing hundreds of lives.

Well mate, I believe that the decision is relative to our own roles within the context.  Shepard is no longer part of the vast and complex system of colonzation and stretegic planning.  In fact, as grand and far-reaching as these issues may see it pales in comparison to the greater political picture.  Shepard must act in the interests of innicent life of all races as opposed to the machinations of those in power.  On the flip side of the coin, the military industrial complex of that colony could very well be conquered and used by a future enemy, posing even more problems for mankind's colonial efforts.
In the end the endless wherefores and whatnots matter little to those with such a relatively minute lifespan as humans.  Only that which is petinent to the present, to the here and now, can apply in most situations.  this applies to renegade actions as well, of course.  Sometimes you have to punch a guy in the face you get him out of the way as any delay will risk innocent life.  It isn't pleasant but then again being the saviour of a galaxy never is.
Anyway, I digress.  The preservation of innocent life is something that will always be favoured by myself.  A choice between a hundred and a thousand is no choice at all.  All we can do is do what are instincts tell us and, if you're the sort, pray.

funny about the bug though

I do not disagree with your sentiments; the mirror my own even while the more Realist pragmatic voice whispers in my ear. The "here and now" concept was in fact what caused me to save the residential area the first time because it was one of those rare occasions where you could make a real difference right then and there. Besides, perhaps one of those colonists will go on to do great things or one of their descendants, but as you state it is neither here nor there since the future remains unknown (except for death and taxes - the two constants just about every human can expect).

[camoboy_19]

Jake71887 wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

Without nerds there'd be no forums...or internet...or computers...or electricity...or fire...

Or blow up dolls... 

Now that I think of it.. There would be no Tali'Zorah!!!

And no creepy Tali dolls...

SHHH! Maybe if we don't say anything a pic won't come to haunt us

[mothbanquet]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

Just got up... What did I miss?

This monstrosity : http://social.biowar...1528/blog/2690/

KFD stop glaring at me for being pessimist...Yes I can see you.

Ahahahaha! Your words, both in this thread and in your fanfiction, have me laughing out loud frequently, Revan. Bless ya! :innocent:

I was unprepared for quite how great this is