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[Felipe 058]

Ok, if everyone doesn't

all this nonsense right now, I don't think I'll be coming back here again, at least not for a long while.

This is really getting ridiculous. The sole purpose of this thread is to support and discuss Tali. Yes, it's all right to go slightly off topic on occasion, and yes, things are going to start to slow down as time progresses; it's not like we can keep talking about Tali for the next two years (anyone who says otherwise honestly is quite foolish). But at no time are we to start flaming each other or trolling just because we disagree! We are the civilized supporters of Tali'Zorah vas Normandy nar Rayya, and we are capable of great deeds. We are not  blood-enraged krogan! (No offense to any krogan out there.)


 Our influence stopped the flaming, but before that, we held the line. Our influence stopped the trolls, but before that, we held the line! Our influence will keep Tali'Zorah in Mass Effect 3! In the battles today and for the next two years, we will hold the line! 


I hope you all take to heart what has been said here, as we are Tali's only chance; it would sadden me greatly if we were her undoing.

Modifié par Felipe 058, 10 mars 2010 - 06:41 .

[rayremy]

Well, I'm going to bed. Goodnight fellow forumites.

[danteshepard]

Oh! While I'm thinking about it, request advice from doc and any other tali mancers who give a flying f***.

Thinking about adding sex scene to oneshot collection, not smut mind you, will remain tasteful as possible, don't want to degrade tali. Good idea or not?



Also writing seperate chapter where renegade shepard turns tali renagade after exile. similar to femshep with kaidan. thoughts on ideas? suggestions?

[Himmelstor]

Mike4PA wrote...

GMR25 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...
*snip*
...superstition?
No. No.
Must be mockery. Is no "cure" to supposed curse.
But animals can smell your guilt. As can I.
*prepares batch of genophage for Mike4PA*

Don't knock it till ya try it. Oh, and be sure to bathe in the baby's blood while wearing a Quarian mask. Or else you must repeat the ceremony every year.

What does it keep you young for 200 years? Also, Doc, why?! I'm the only native american I have seen in Missouri, our people don't need more thinning of our ranks <_<

All supposed "race" is lie among humans. Only one race.
Culture does not require thinning, but after years in space, unlikely to be intact anyway. Harms nothing.
Now go romance Tali, or will use...

Modifié par Himmelstor, 10 mars 2010 - 06:43 .

[Himmelstor]

Himmelstor wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Shameless Self Promotion:
Doctor prescribes fanfiction!
Part Seven (FIN) of Memories Forgotten is up in blog!
Please read and comment.
And enjoy!

Carry over.

Again.

[Archonsg]

Lareit wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

What you said is exactly what I argued, to the letter.  I love the quarians, I identify with them as a species more than any other in the ME universe, but they played with fire, and subsequently got burned.

Actually, if people actually spent time and talked to Legion, he plays the audio file of the exact moment when the geth asked "Do we have souls?"
What makes it heartbreaking is how it is said. Much akin to a 3 or 4 year old asking that very same question. Instead of coming to terms with the possibility that they have made a mistake and that their creation has awareness that should like any other child be taught and perhaps in the process learn to co-exist, the Quarians panicked and tried to pull the plug, essentially murdering children, children with teeth and ability to pull a trigger, but still, one has to wonder what would have happened if they had not made that first strike against the geth.
Legion says too, the geth are still wondering what motivated the creators to start that war, hinting at a possibity of peace in the first place.

Don't buy it. You can't trust the Geth of now. You really couldn't trust the Geth of then, but the Quarians should of never struck first.

Geth are machine, they process logic and values far differently then we do. We can know know truly what motivates them to do anything. They can be prone to very difficult to comprehend choices. They could be deceiving us entirely.

Not that I actually think thats the case, as machines you can't trust them to do anything but what they're programmed for.

To quote the Terminator
"Desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."

Ya, I know. I keep thinking back to Battlestar Galactica and Boomer's (before she became Athena) attempted assassination on Adama. What I meant was that back then, when the geth collective was still in formation, coding itself so to speak, had the Quarians not attacked and perhaps use logic or mathematical parrarels, try to explain what is happening to the geth and perhaps try to co-exist, would the geth still have attacked the Quarians?
In my mind, the simplest form in terms of what they were thinking would be much like "basic" ...If this happens ...goto this... but if this happens goto that....sort of early logic that the geth at the time must be formulating in terms of its awareness and self and perhaps a rudimentary core of "values" when dealing with organics no?

It would be interesting to see if they would use Legion like what happened in BSG and it betrays Shepard and crew unwillingly.

[videowiz186]

rayremy wrote...

Well, I'm going to bed. Goodnight fellow forumites.

Keelah Se'lai, my friend.

Modifié par videowiz186, 10 mars 2010 - 06:42 .

[GMR25]

Mike4PA wrote...

GMR25 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

GMR25 wrote...

Mike4PA wrote...

Yeah so I just finished up another career I made. I did a paragon, Adept, and I chose to romance Miranda to my misfortune. It was hard to do, because I had to look past her just purely b**** of an attitude, let alone having to stay away out of deck 4 as much as possible to not tempt myself with those hips. I finished the game, and thought to myself "what have I done... I feel dirty. I need a smoke." And went outside to clear my head. When I walked outside and turned on my porch light, I saw a field full of eyes starring at me... I know it must of been a bunch of small animals, but I never saw so many before... Just starring... I think Miranda is cursed, and that the bad luck has just begun... I must make it right...

Sacrifice a Quarian baby during a full moon in the month of November at 2:22 AM, all while praising Tali. Then your curse is gone.

...superstition?
No. No.
Must be mockery. Is no "cure" to supposed curse.
But animals can smell your guilt. As can I.
*prepares batch of genophage for Mike4PA*

Don't knock it till ya try it. Oh, and be sure to bathe in the baby's blood while wearing a Quarian mask. Or else you must repeat the ceremony every year.

What does it keep you young for 200 years? Also, Doc, why?! I'm the only native american I have seen in Missouri, our people don't need more thinning of our ranks <_<

The ritual keeps the evil tali spirits from eating you for your infidelity. It's in the Big Book of Tali Rituals.

[Mike4PA]

Himmelstor wrote...

Mike4PA wrote...

GMR25 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...
*snip*
...superstition?
No. No.
Must be mockery. Is no "cure" to supposed curse.
But animals can smell your guilt. As can I.
*prepares batch of genophage for Mike4PA*

Don't knock it till ya try it. Oh, and be sure to bathe in the baby's blood while wearing a Quarian mask. Or else you must repeat the ceremony every year.

What does it keep you young for 200 years? Also, Doc, why?! I'm the only native american I have seen in Missouri, our people don't need more thinning of our ranks <_<

All supposed "race" is lie among humans. Only one race.
Culture does not require thinning, but after 200 years in space, unlikely to be intact anyway. Harms nothing.
Now go romance Tali, or will use...

Point taken, getting on it, no need to pull out the big guns...

[Pauravi]

Mike4PA wrote...

Yeah so I just finished up another career I made. I did a paragon, Adept, and I chose to romance Miranda to my misfortune. It was hard to do, because I had to look past her just purely b**** of an attitude,
...
I finished the game, and thought to myself "what have I done... I feel dirty. I need a smoke."

That's a very odd reaction.

You're right, she starts out very b*tchy, but she grows a lot as a character over the course of the game.  I was impressed when I went from disliking her attitude the moment I met her, to smiling while hearing her talk about the conversation she had with her sister.  I enjoyed her romance, too.

Frankly, I like Miranda.  I just like Tali more.

[cannedcream]

What does it keep you young for 200 years? Also, Doc, why?! I'm the only native american I have seen in Missouri, our people don't need more thinning of our ranks <_<

First of all, let me say that I am so, so sorry you have to live in Missouri.
I feel your pain, brother. I feel your pain.

[Angelraid]

Lareit wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

What you said is exactly what I argued, to the letter.  I love the quarians, I identify with them as a species more than any other in the ME universe, but they played with fire, and subsequently got burned.

Actually, if people actually spent time and talked to Legion, he plays the audio file of the exact moment when the geth asked "Do we have souls?"
What makes it heartbreaking is how it is said. Much akin to a 3 or 4 year old asking that very same question. Instead of coming to terms with the possibility that they have made a mistake and that their creation has awareness that should like any other child be taught and perhaps in the process learn to co-exist, the Quarians panicked and tried to pull the plug, essentially murdering children, children with teeth and ability to pull a trigger, but still, one has to wonder what would have happened if they had not made that first strike against the geth.
Legion says too, the geth are still wondering what motivated the creators to start that war, hinting at a possibity of peace in the first place.

Don't buy it. You can't trust the Geth of now. You really couldn't trust the Geth of then, but the Quarians should of never struck first.

Geth are machine, they process logic and values far differently then we do. We can know know truly what motivates them to do anything. They can be prone to very difficult to comprehend choices. They could be deceiving us entirely.

Not that I actually think thats the case, as machines you can't trust them to do anything but what they're programmed for.

To quote the Terminator
"Desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."

Technically Humans are machines too. As are all 'Organic' lifeforms.

Also the lack of emotion doesn't mean that they have no ethics. The geth clearly have a solid ethical code based on freedom of choice. Wether you agree with there ethics is a different discussion but its not like they operate randomly. Everything you said about them such as difficulty comprehending thier choices could be said for humans. I'd say humans are less trustworthy than the geth cuase you never know when one will do something tottally irrational.

[Himmelstor]

rayremy wrote...

Well, I'm going to bed. Goodnight fellow forumites.

Keelah Se'lai, my friend!

[sergio71785]

[Mike4PA]

GMR25 wrote...

Mike4PA wrote...

GMR25 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

GMR25 wrote...


Sacrifice a Quarian baby during a full moon in the month of November at 2:22 AM, all while praising Tali. Then your curse is gone.

...superstition?
No. No.
Must be mockery. Is no "cure" to supposed curse.
But animals can smell your guilt. As can I.
*prepares batch of genophage for Mike4PA*

Don't knock it till ya try it. Oh, and be sure to bathe in the baby's blood while wearing a Quarian mask. Or else you must repeat the ceremony every year.

What does it keep you young for 200 years? Also, Doc, why?! I'm the only native american I have seen in Missouri, our people don't need more thinning of our ranks <_<

The ritual keeps the evil tali spirits from eating you for your infidelity. It's in the Big Book of Tali Rituals.

Just because I love books where do I get that? I don't imagine its in any Barns & Noble...

[Yazman]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Lareit wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

What you said is exactly what I argued, to the letter.  I love the quarians, I identify with them as a species more than any other in the ME universe, but they played with fire, and subsequently got burned.

Actually, if people actually spent time and talked to Legion, he plays the audio file of the exact moment when the geth asked "Do we have souls?"
What makes it heartbreaking is how it is said. Much akin to a 3 or 4 year old asking that very same question. Instead of coming to terms with the possibility that they have made a mistake and that their creation has awareness that should like any other child be taught and perhaps in the process learn to co-exist, the Quarians panicked and tried to pull the plug, essentially murdering children, children with teeth and ability to pull a trigger, but still, one has to wonder what would have happened if they had not made that first strike against the geth.
Legion says too, the geth are still wondering what motivated the creators to start that war, hinting at a possibity of peace in the first place.

Don't buy it. You can't trust the Geth of now. You really couldn't trust the Geth of then, but the Quarians should of never struck first.

Geth are machine, they process logic and values far differently then we do. We can know know truly what motivates them to do anything. They can be prone to very difficult to comprehend choices. They could be deceiving us entirely.

Not that I actually think thats the case, as machines you can't trust them to do anything but what they're programmed for.

To quote the Terminator
"Desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."

Technically Humans are machines too. As are all 'Organic' lifeforms.

Also the lack of emotion doesn't mean that they have no ethics. The geth clearly have a solid ethical code based on freedom of choice. Wether you agree with there ethics is a different discussion but its not like they operate randomly. Everything you said about them such as difficulty comprehending thier choices could be said for humans. I'd say humans are less trustworthy than the geth cuase you never know when one will do something tottally irrational.

Ehh I don't know, humans don't qualify as machines at all. A machine is something mechanical, that uses mechanical energy to power itself.

[Pauravi]

Felipe 058 wrote...

I hope you all take to heart what has been said here, as we are Tali's only chance

Do you really believe that?

[GMR25]

sergio71785 wrote...

Too much ugly Sheploo.

[Lareit]

Archonsg wrote...



Ya, I know. I keep thinking back to Battlestar Galactica and Boomer's (before she became Athena) attempted assassination on Adama. What I meant was that back then, when the geth collective was still in formation, coding itself so to speak, had the Quarians not attacked and perhaps use logic or mathematical parrarels, try to explain what is happening to the geth and perhaps try to co-exist, would the geth still have attacked the Quarians?
In my mind, the simplest form in terms of what they were thinking would be much like "basic" ...If this happens ...goto this... but if this happens goto that....sort of early logic that the geth at the time must be formulating in terms of its awareness and self and perhaps a rudimentary core of "values" when dealing with organics no?

It would be interesting to see if they would use Legion like what happened in BSG and it betrays Shepard and crew unwillingly.

Boomer was always Boomer
Athena was a different 8.

And yeah the whole, Switch, thing was one of many plot holes they never explained.

I prefer Terminator logic to BSG logic though. Too much Fate, and Destinty involved in that.
Terminators do what they're programmed to do. They think, they rationalize, but they will ultimately carry out their objective.

If the Terminator's objective was to assassinate the Illusive Man, then investing the dereltic reaper and the cerberus science team is a good place to start. Then pretending to align with shepard, who has a direct connection to TIM to remain in close contact. Play nice, etc, untill TIM's location is found, then no longer does Legion need to play nice and he can start killing Shepard and crew after informing the collective of where TIM is.

[Azint]

Felipe 058 wrote...

Ok, if everyone doesn't

all this nonsense right now, I don't think I'll be coming back here again, at least not for a long while.

This is really getting ridiculous. The sole purpose of this thread is to support and discuss Tali. Yes, it's all right to go slightly off topic on occasion, and yes, things are going to start to slow down as time progresses; it's not like we can keep talking about Tali for the next two years (anyone who says otherwise honestly is quite foolish). But at no time are we to start flaming each other or trolling just because we disagree! We are the civilized supporters of Tali'Zorah vas Normandy nar Rayya, and we are capable of great deeds. We are not  blood-enraged krogan! (No offense to any krogan out there.)


 Our influence stopped the flaming, but before that, we held the line. Our influence stopped the trolls, but before that, we held the line! Our influence will keep Tali'Zorah in Mass Effect 3! In the battles today and for the next two years, we will hold the line! 


I hope you all take to heart what has been said here, as we are Tali's only chance; it would sadden me greatly if we were her undoing.

YES, please.

I think I will actually post my art crap if this goes along well.

[Mike4PA]

cannedcream wrote...

What does it keep you young for 200 years? Also, Doc, why?! I'm the only native american I have seen in Missouri, our people don't need more thinning of our ranks <_<

First of all, let me say that I am so, so sorry you have to live in Missouri.
I feel your pain, brother. I feel your pain.

Yeah, I made the mistake of bringing Tali up to one of my friends that dosen't play games and they thought she was a ice cream flavor

[Angelraid]

Yazman wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Lareit wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

What you said is exactly what I argued, to the letter.  I love the quarians, I identify with them as a species more than any other in the ME universe, but they played with fire, and subsequently got burned.

Actually, if people actually spent time and talked to Legion, he plays the audio file of the exact moment when the geth asked "Do we have souls?"
What makes it heartbreaking is how it is said. Much akin to a 3 or 4 year old asking that very same question. Instead of coming to terms with the possibility that they have made a mistake and that their creation has awareness that should like any other child be taught and perhaps in the process learn to co-exist, the Quarians panicked and tried to pull the plug, essentially murdering children, children with teeth and ability to pull a trigger, but still, one has to wonder what would have happened if they had not made that first strike against the geth.
Legion says too, the geth are still wondering what motivated the creators to start that war, hinting at a possibity of peace in the first place.

Don't buy it. You can't trust the Geth of now. You really couldn't trust the Geth of then, but the Quarians should of never struck first.

Geth are machine, they process logic and values far differently then we do. We can know know truly what motivates them to do anything. They can be prone to very difficult to comprehend choices. They could be deceiving us entirely.

Not that I actually think thats the case, as machines you can't trust them to do anything but what they're programmed for.

To quote the Terminator
"Desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."

Technically Humans are machines too. As are all 'Organic' lifeforms.

Also the lack of emotion doesn't mean that they have no ethics. The geth clearly have a solid ethical code based on freedom of choice. Wether you agree with there ethics is a different discussion but its not like they operate randomly. Everything you said about them such as difficulty comprehending thier choices could be said for humans. I'd say humans are less trustworthy than the geth cuase you never know when one will do something tottally irrational.

Ehh I don't know, humans don't qualify as machines at all. A machine is something mechanical, that uses mechanical energy to power itself.

Im not even going to point out the irony of that state..... oh wait yes I am. When you lift your arm. Yeah thats basically a pulley. One of the most simple machines. That uses mechanical power to lift something.

ZING!

[Archonsg]

Pauravi wrote...

Mike4PA wrote...

Yeah so I just finished up another career I made. I did a paragon, Adept, and I chose to romance Miranda to my misfortune. It was hard to do, because I had to look past her just purely b**** of an attitude,
...
I finished the game, and thought to myself "what have I done... I feel dirty. I need a smoke."

That's a very odd reaction.

You're right, she starts out very b*tchy, but she grows a lot as a character over the course of the game.  I was impressed when I went from disliking her attitude the moment I met her, to smiling while hearing her talk about the conversation she had with her sister.  I enjoyed her romance, too.

Frankly, I like Miranda.  I just like Tali more.

Well, Mirranda did after all gave TIM the middle finger and cut him off mid rant. Can't be all bad. :happy:
Still, Tali <3 Shepard in a way that speaks more of loyalty and sacrifice than any other LI. Thus she deserves Shepard's <3 more then any other in return.

[videowiz186]

Yazman wrote...

Ehh I don't know, humans don't qualify as machines at all. A machine is something mechanical, that uses mechanical energy to power itself.

If think. Do use energy. Food. 

[Archonsg]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Lareit wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

What you said is exactly what I argued, to the letter.  I love the quarians, I identify with them as a species more than any other in the ME universe, but they played with fire, and subsequently got burned.

Actually, if people actually spent time and talked to Legion, he plays the audio file of the exact moment when the geth asked "Do we have souls?"
What makes it heartbreaking is how it is said. Much akin to a 3 or 4 year old asking that very same question. Instead of coming to terms with the possibility that they have made a mistake and that their creation has awareness that should like any other child be taught and perhaps in the process learn to co-exist, the Quarians panicked and tried to pull the plug, essentially murdering children, children with teeth and ability to pull a trigger, but still, one has to wonder what would have happened if they had not made that first strike against the geth.
Legion says too, the geth are still wondering what motivated the creators to start that war, hinting at a possibity of peace in the first place.

Don't buy it. You can't trust the Geth of now. You really couldn't trust the Geth of then, but the Quarians should of never struck first.

Geth are machine, they process logic and values far differently then we do. We can know know truly what motivates them to do anything. They can be prone to very difficult to comprehend choices. They could be deceiving us entirely.

Not that I actually think thats the case, as machines you can't trust them to do anything but what they're programmed for.

To quote the Terminator
"Desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."

Technically Humans are machines too. As are all 'Organic' lifeforms.

Also the lack of emotion doesn't mean that they have no ethics. The geth clearly have a solid ethical code based on freedom of choice. Wether you agree with there ethics is a different discussion but its not like they operate randomly. Everything you said about them such as difficulty comprehending thier choices could be said for humans. I'd say humans are less trustworthy than the geth cuase you never know when one will do something tottally irrational.

Ehh I don't know, humans don't qualify as machines at all. A machine is something mechanical, that uses mechanical energy to power itself.

Im not even going to point out the irony of that state..... oh wait yes I am. When you lift your arm. Yeah thats basically a pulley. One of the most simple machines. That uses mechanical power to lift something.

ZING!

That and the fact that we *are* one big organic battery.