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Felipe 058

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I've watched/listened to that 10 minute video you made of them cuddling each night since it's been posted. I actually listened to it while reading some fanfic for an hour yesterday; I'd just hit the play button when it got to the end. In no way was 10 minutes too much :wub:

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Mike4PA wrote...

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Sacrifice a Quarian baby during a full moon in the month of November at 2:22 AM, all while praising Tali. Then your curse is gone.

...superstition?
No. No.
Must be mockery. Is no "cure" to supposed curse.
But animals can smell your guilt. As can I.
*prepares batch of genophage for Mike4PA*


Don't knock it till ya try it. Oh, and be sure to bathe in the baby's blood while wearing a Quarian mask. Or else you must repeat the ceremony every year.


What does it keep you young for 200 years? Also, Doc, why?! I'm the only native american I have seen in Missouri, our people don't need more thinning of our ranks <_<


The ritual keeps the evil tali spirits from eating you for your infidelity. It's in the Big Book of Tali Rituals.

Just because I love books :D where do I get that? I don't imagine its in any Barns & Noble...


The last few copies were burned 100 years ago by the evil Mirandamancers, only a few scattered pages remain, most of which are too worn to be read.

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Pauravi wrote...

Felipe 058 wrote...

I hope you all take to heart what has been said here, as we are Tali's only chance

Do you really believe that?

Not really, but some of the stupidity that comes in here on occasion really irks me.

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Archonsg wrote...

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Yeah so I just finished up another career I made. I did a paragon, Adept, and I chose to romance Miranda to my misfortune. It was hard to do, because I had to look past her just purely b**** of an attitude,
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I finished the game, and thought to myself "what have I done... I feel dirty. I need a smoke."

That's a very odd reaction.

You're right, she starts out very b*tchy, but she grows a lot as a character over the course of the game.  I was impressed when I went from disliking her attitude the moment I met her, to smiling while hearing her talk about the conversation she had with her sister.  I enjoyed her romance, too.

Frankly, I like Miranda.  I just like Tali more.


Well, Mirranda did after all gave TIM the middle finger and cut him off mid rant. Can't be all bad. :happy:
Still, Tali <3 Shepard in a way that speaks more of loyalty and sacrifice than any other LI. Thus she deserves Shepard's <3 more then any other in return.


Yeah, but I can't help but getting this nagging doubt that that was just a ploy set up by TIM in order to win my trust for her so she can continue to spy on me.

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Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

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What you said is exactly what I argued, to the letter.  I love the quarians, I identify with them as a species more than any other in the ME universe, but they played with fire, and subsequently got burned.


Actually, if people actually spent time and talked to Legion, he plays the audio file of the exact moment when the geth asked "Do we have souls?"
What makes it heartbreaking is how it is said. Much akin to a 3 or 4 year old asking that very same question. Instead of coming to terms with the possibility that they have made a mistake and that their creation has awareness that should like any other child be taught and perhaps in the process learn to co-exist, the Quarians panicked and tried to pull the plug, essentially murdering children, children with teeth and ability to pull a trigger, but still, one has to wonder what would have happened if they had not made that first strike against the geth.
Legion says too, the geth are still wondering what motivated the creators to start that war, hinting at a possibity of peace in the first place.


Don't buy it. You can't trust the Geth of now. You really couldn't trust the Geth of then, but the Quarians should of never struck first.

Geth are machine, they process logic and values far differently then we do. We can know know truly what motivates them to do anything. They can be prone to very difficult to comprehend choices. They could be deceiving us entirely.

Not that I actually think thats the case, as machines you can't trust them to do anything but what they're programmed for.

To quote the Terminator
"Desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."



Technically Humans are machines too. As are all 'Organic' lifeforms.

Also the lack of emotion doesn't mean that they have no ethics. The geth clearly have a solid ethical code based on freedom of choice. Wether you agree with there ethics is a different discussion but its not like they operate randomly. Everything you said about them such as difficulty comprehending thier choices could be said for humans. I'd say humans are less trustworthy than the geth cuase you never know when one will do something tottally irrational.


Ehh I don't know, humans don't qualify as machines at all. A machine is something mechanical, that uses mechanical energy to power itself.


Im not even going to point out the irony of that state..... oh wait yes I am. When you lift your arm. Yeah thats basically a pulley. One of the most simple machines. That uses mechanical power to lift something.

ZING!


Sorry, but that isn't mechanical power at all. What you are saying is that organic beings are analogous to machines but to say they are actually machines themselves contradicts both academic definitions as well as "dictionary definitions."


I do agree that they are analogous but they aren't the same at all.

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Snip long quotes please.

No need to quote wall selves.

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Oh! While I'm thinking about it, request advice from doc and any other tali mancers who give a flying f***.



Thinking about adding sex scene to oneshot collection, not smut mind you, will remain tasteful as possible, don't want to degrade tali. Good idea or not?



Also writing seperate chapter where renegade shepard turns tali renagade after exile. similar to femshep with kaidan. thoughts on ideas? suggestions?

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Technically Humans are machines too. As are all 'Organic' lifeforms.

Also the lack of emotion doesn't mean that they have no ethics. The geth clearly have a solid ethical code based on freedom of choice. Wether you agree with there ethics is a different discussion but its not like they operate randomly. Everything you said about them such as difficulty comprehending thier choices could be said for humans. I'd say humans are less trustworthy than the geth cuase you never know when one will do something tottally irrational.


We can use emotions to determine what a human will and won't do in a given situation. When we can no longer predict that, we deem them insane and lock them up or assign them medications untill they adjust to fit our parameters.

Machines do not have emotions. Any ethics they claim to have, are simply that. A claim.

Geth could say they love babies and would never kill one. Untill they see John Conner's baby, and immediate self destruct their onboard fusion nuclear reactor to kill John Conner Baby.

We can't predict them. They don't think like we do.

Hell if I was Shepard, after destroying Collector base and telling TIM off is to get Tali, Legion, Modrin, and Miranda to go over every bit of EDI to make sure TIM can't manipulate her. I can't trust that he doesn't have some program in there. I can't turst that she wouldn't act on it instantly when he triggered it.

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Himmelstor wrote...

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Shameless Self Promotion:
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Part Seven (FIN) of Memories Forgotten is up in blog!
Please read and comment.
And enjoy!

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Well, I'm going to bed. Goodnight fellow forumites.


Keelah se'lai.

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We're trying to make nice with the folks at the Miranda thread, and I thought we all agreed that this thread is to support Tali, not talking about characters we dislike.Image IPB

If you dislike a character, fine, but don't drag that here.

Modifié par Azint, 10 mars 2010 - 06:53 .


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Ever wonder what a lesbian tali romance would be like?



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danteshepard wrote...

Oh! While I'm thinking about it, request advice from doc and any other tali mancers who give a flying f***.

Thinking about adding sex scene to oneshot collection, not smut mind you, will remain tasteful as possible, don't want to degrade tali. Good idea or not?

Also writing seperate chapter where renegade shepard turns tali renagade after exile. similar to femshep with kaidan. thoughts on ideas? suggestions?

If can do tastefully, go ahead.

And with Tali turning renegade...can't see it myself. If can do so convincingly, perhaps.

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Ehh I don't know, humans don't qualify as machines at all. A machine is something mechanical, that uses mechanical energy to power itself.

But lots of machines use different forms of potential energy to power themselves.  Lots of machines power themselves with gasoline; potential energy stored in the bonds of molecules, just exactly the same way that humans use adenosine triphosphate as chemical potential for cell processes.

Bones can be talked about as a mechanical system of levers and hines, and muscles as a way to apply torque to those levers.  The human body is "mechanical" in many ways.

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danteshepard wrote...

Oh! While I'm thinking about it, request advice from doc and any other tali mancers who give a flying f***.

Thinking about adding sex scene to oneshot collection, not smut mind you, will remain tasteful as possible, don't want to degrade tali. Good idea or not?

Also writing seperate chapter where renegade shepard turns tali renagade after exile. similar to femshep with kaidan. thoughts on ideas? suggestions?

I meant to comment on this. Make it tasteful and people will love it. Just look at Marines FF, people like tasteful love making scenes.
Also I think that would be interesting to see a renagade Tali. Its like a universe that never excisted. :happy: I look forward to it.

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Himmelstor wrote...

Shameless Self Promotion:
Doctor prescribes fanfiction!
Part Seven (FIN) of Memories Forgotten is up in blog!
Please read and comment.
And enjoy!


Everyone should read. Briliant story. With well developed characters. Recommended to everyone.

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Pauravi wrote...

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Ehh I don't know, humans don't qualify as machines at all. A machine is something mechanical, that uses mechanical energy to power itself.

But lots of machines use different forms of potential energy to power themselves.  Lots of machines power themselves with gasoline; potential energy stored in the bonds of molecules, just exactly the same way that humans use adenosine triphosphate as chemical potential for cell processes.

Bones can be talked about as a mechanical system of levers and hines, and muscles as a way to apply torque to those levers.  The human body is "mechanical" in many ways.


What you're talking about is that the human body is analogous.

But BY DEFINITION nothing organic is a machine. By definition. Machines are complex pieces of equipment created to assist us. They are TOOLS.

By definition Geth are not machines either, though. They are synthetic, but they are not machines.

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Yeah, but I can't help but getting this nagging doubt that that was just a ploy set up by TIM in order to win my trust for her so she can continue to spy on me.


Hmnss. Maybe.
I do have one nagging thought about Mirranda's "change" of loyalties though. Her sister.
Its not like TIM doesn't know where she is and can use that as leverage against Mirranda. I want to think that Mirranda did what she did out of the spur of the moment, her feelings for Shepard over-ruling her caution, she is after all human, female and what female can resist Shepard? :D

Still, she has gotta have the "OMFG! What did I just do?! moment when she realised that she just put her sister in a bad position in relation to TIM and her father. No?
Like I said, she's not all that bad, I just still don't trust her.

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Yeah, but I can't help but getting this nagging doubt that that was just a ploy set up by TIM in order to win my trust for her so she can continue to spy on me.


Do you really think TIM would go though all that just to continue to spy on you? Or that Miranda would still agree to such a plan after what you do for her in her loyalty mission?

Now, I don't really care for Miranda (don't hate her, but she'll never be one of my favs.) but I really don't think she's so heartless or mindlessly loyal.

At least. . .I hope not.

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Azint wrote...

We're trying to make nice with the folks at the Miranda thread, and I thought we all agreed that this thread is to support Tali, not talking about characters we dislike.Image IPB

If you dislike a character, fine, but don't drag that here.

I think that was me. Just a personal experience and feelings about it :mellow: I still dont want to go back outside, but I won't incite it again.

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videowiz186 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Shameless Self Promotion:
Doctor prescribes fanfiction!
Part Seven (FIN) of Memories Forgotten is up in blog!
Please read and comment.
And enjoy!


Everyone should read. Briliant story. With well developed characters. Recommended to everyone.

Reccomended most by one out of one human specters, slarian doctors and krogan battle masters.Image IPB

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Yazman wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Lareit wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

What you said is exactly what I argued, to the letter.  I love the quarians, I identify with them as a species more than any other in the ME universe, but they played with fire, and subsequently got burned.


Actually, if people actually spent time and talked to Legion, he plays the audio file of the exact moment when the geth asked "Do we have souls?"
What makes it heartbreaking is how it is said. Much akin to a 3 or 4 year old asking that very same question. Instead of coming to terms with the possibility that they have made a mistake and that their creation has awareness that should like any other child be taught and perhaps in the process learn to co-exist, the Quarians panicked and tried to pull the plug, essentially murdering children, children with teeth and ability to pull a trigger, but still, one has to wonder what would have happened if they had not made that first strike against the geth.
Legion says too, the geth are still wondering what motivated the creators to start that war, hinting at a possibity of peace in the first place.


Don't buy it. You can't trust the Geth of now. You really couldn't trust the Geth of then, but the Quarians should of never struck first.

Geth are machine, they process logic and values far differently then we do. We can know know truly what motivates them to do anything. They can be prone to very difficult to comprehend choices. They could be deceiving us entirely.

Not that I actually think thats the case, as machines you can't trust them to do anything but what they're programmed for.

To quote the Terminator
"Desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."



Technically Humans are machines too. As are all 'Organic' lifeforms.

Also the lack of emotion doesn't mean that they have no ethics. The geth clearly have a solid ethical code based on freedom of choice. Wether you agree with there ethics is a different discussion but its not like they operate randomly. Everything you said about them such as difficulty comprehending thier choices could be said for humans. I'd say humans are less trustworthy than the geth cuase you never know when one will do something tottally irrational.


Ehh I don't know, humans don't qualify as machines at all. A machine is something mechanical, that uses mechanical energy to power itself.


Im not even going to point out the irony of that state..... oh wait yes I am. When you lift your arm. Yeah thats basically a pulley. One of the most simple machines. That uses mechanical power to lift something.

ZING!


Sorry, but that isn't mechanical power at all. What you are saying is that organic beings are analogous to machines but to say they are actually machines themselves contradicts both academic definitions as well as "dictionary definitions."


I do agree that they are analogous but they aren't the same at all.


Dictionary Definition:

"an apparatus (body) consisting of interrelated parts  with separate functions (cells,organs,systems), used in the performance of some kind of work (life)"

Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2010. Quotes added for relavance.

But wait there more

"An intricate natural system or organism, such as the human body."

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

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danteshepard wrote...

videowiz186 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Shameless Self Promotion:
Doctor prescribes fanfiction!
Part Seven (FIN) of Memories Forgotten is up in blog!
Please read and comment.
And enjoy!


Everyone should read. Briliant story. With well developed characters. Recommended to everyone.

Reccomended most by one out of one human specters, salarian doctors and krogan battle masters.Image IPB

Am flattered.
Appreciated greatly...Image IPBImage IPB

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Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Dictionary Definition:

"an apparatus (body) consisting of interrelated parts  with separate functions (cells,organs,systems), used in the performance of some kind of work (life)"

Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2010. Quotes added for relavance.

But wait there more

"An intricate natural system or organism, such as the human body."

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.




Not sure what word you're using there but I can't find anything that supports that:

Princeton defines "machine" as such:

S: (n) machine (any mechanical or electrical
device that transmits or modifies energy to perform or assist in the
performance of human tasks)

http://wordnetweb.pr...webwn?s=machine

Modifié par Yazman, 10 mars 2010 - 07:01 .


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Lareit wrote...

Machines do not have emotions. Any ethics they claim to have, are simply that. A claim.

First of all, there is no reasons that machines can't have emotions.

However, even so, ethics don't always have to be purely emotional.  One can justify all sorts of moral behavior on logical grounds that entail things like greatest long-term benefit, least risk for yourself, etc etc.  Ultimately it doesn't really matter why they chose the ethical grounds they do, as long as they coincide with ours and their reasoning is stable.  They have been keeping to themselves and trying to understand organic reasoning for more than 300 years, there is no reason to suspect that they would suddenly change their minds, or at least no more so than we might expect another person to snap and commit a murder in the heat of emotion.

Frankly, you treat emotions as a much more stable source of reasoning than they actually are.