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[Xandurpein]

Collider wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

I was also wondering if the thight control of births together with other aspects of Quarian society I mused over above would not lead to a sort of society where marriage would be brokered by families rather than individual choices. This could be a possible problem for Tali/Shepard. Shepard is a Hero, but he is also depriving Tali's family and clan of a baby for future genrations.

Hmm, I don't believe we have any information upon the importance of marriage and children for the Quarians. As it appears currently, the Migrant Fleet is crowded and they do not appear to be wanting of children. Tali knew that having children with Shepard would be impossible going into the relationship, so I don't see her as leaving Shepard to have children...not that I see her as caring to have them in the first place. She cares about her people, but she wouldn't do anything for them, and she often disagrees with the government.

I believe I was thinking in terms of chinese society, which I admittedly don't know as much as I should. Overpopulation is a problem in chinese society and they have strict one child policy, but to the individual family this means that children are very important. It's different if you view it from the perspective of society as a whole or the individual family/clan. I suppose it depends on how strong family group ties are in Quarian society. Maybe the extended famliy is the ship and blood lines mean less. On the other hand it seems important to Quarians that she is the daughter of an Admiral.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 10 mars 2010 - 09:58 .

[Collider]

Well, there is a difference between regarding children as important and thinking having children is integral. I believe that family is important in Quarian society, if not only because the Migrant Fleet could be considered a "family." But so far as having children goes, I don't believe we know besides incentives to have children if there is a decline in population, which there does not appear to be. It is important to the quarians that she is an admiral's child, much to her displeasure I've gathered. But would that mean she would be pressured into having children? Not sure, going with probably not.

[Pauravi]

This was a big post with a lot of thoughts, so I'm gonna break it up a bit...

Xandurpein wrote...

For hundreds of years Quarians have hidden their faces. With humans nothing our faces communicate a lot of our body language. In quarian culture you would normally not search the persons face for clues to body language. This made me wonder if one of the reasons it takes so long for Shepard to catch on to Tali's feelings is that she may never seek eye contact with him.

I imagine that, yes, those sorts of cues would be altered for Quarians after living in suits for so long.  It is a good explanation, I suppose, to cover for the real reason it took Shepard so long: because Bioware took the Tali romance out of the first game because they thought people wouldn't like her XD

Oh, and MaleShep is Male, and guys suck at reading body language.  Kelly is human, and she catches on pretty damn quick.

For a quarian to show her face is an act of very deep intimacy. The reasons are medical, but it would also get a cultural meaning. To a Quarian getting used to the other races would be as for a human trying to get used to walking in a nudist camp. ... when she does begin to get feelings for Shepard, maybe it would be a source of embarassment to have Shepard 'flaunting' his face openly.

This point I don't really agree with.  Frankly, I think Quarians often hate their suits.  Their suits are only there because of the hardship of living on the ship, and they live on a ship because they have no home planet.  Tali is clearly upset by the fact that she can't just take off her helmet and look Shepard in the eye.  While it is true that sharing their faces with someone is an act of intimacy, I don't think it necessarily follows that seeing someone's face is a taboo the way that nudity is.  I think they find it frustrating that they can't do it more openly.

Casual sex would be something unheard of in Quarian society. Sex, or any physical intimacy at all really, even between two Quarians is a result of careful planning. Since Quarians seems as prone to developing romantic feelings as humans, I suppose Quarians would be more prone to platonic romances. Space is limited on the flotilla and it's possible that Quarians are used to retreat to an inner self. A Quarian, even a mature one, might therefore be prone to hide her feelings, rather than act upon them, like Tali does.

... or they could just use those nerve stimulation programs
I don't think sexuality and intimacy is unheard of in Quarian culture, only the physical contact part.  I don't think they have too much reason to hide their feelings, but they do still have to put up with the difficulty of actual physical contact (hence my answer to your previous point, about frustration with their suits).

I was also wondering if the thight control of births together with other aspects of Quarian society I mused over above would not lead to a sort of society where marriage would be brokered by families rather than individual choices. This could be a possible problem for Tali/Shepard. Shepard is a Hero, but he is also depriving Tali's family and clan of a baby for future genrations.

Typically arranged marriages are for purposes of distributing wealth or resources, not controlling birth rates.
Quarians already share material wealth anyway, and they already have laws about multiple births.  As long as they obey their own laws, there is no need for it.  Tali also doesn't mention anything about brokered weddings, which is something I imagine she would have covered in ME1 when talking about the fleet.

[Godur]

Collider wrote...

I'm going to repost this question and would like to hear your thoughts on it.

How do you think the Flotilla would react to Shepard being with Tali? Would Tali care?

Personally, I see some of the quarians disapproving the relationship, but Tali not giving a damn.

Shepard's relationship with Tali is likely going to cause a discussion or two at the very least, the most likely culprit being Shepards past (or present for those that didn't mess with TIM) with cerberus and the spectres.
I do think however that it would be accepted by most Quarians, if perhaps a little reluctant, most cases of any disapproval would come from certain induviduals and isolated groups I think.

Daro'Xen: for instance would probably not care much except for the political possibilities, I can imagine her being the type who would like to use shepard's status in her political game, but would only care for that purpose.

Rael'Zorah: I'm not sure how Rael (if still alive) would react to the relationship. Considering the mail you get from him though I have a feeling that he would disapprove, atleast at first, and Shepard would have had a hard time convincing Rael that he's a good man for Tali.

Han'Gerrel: Is likely to agree a lot with his friend Rael on this. he however would, if nothing else, accept shepard & Tali out of respect I think.

Zaal'koris: His view on the matter would likely be affected by what Shepard think about his policies for peace, other than that I honestly don't know.

Shala'Raan: She would likely accept their relationship although perhaps with some reluctancy and suspicion.

Kal'reegar: would probably accept out of respect.

As for what Tali would think about this I think that she wouldn't be so quick to ignore her people, but shepard would still win in the end.


There, my take on the matter.

[Lareit]

antilles333 wrote...

Bah. I'm going off-topic myself.

Tali's knife. I wonder if there will be a cutscene of some sorts in ME3 that will depict her using it in a dire situation. Though the thing is, having a specific cutscene with her and her knife would mean it is dealing with some kind of loyalty/personal mission, which I think we could use quite a bit more of. I really wanted Bioware's DLC to be missions that explore another personal matter in each character. I hope that we have something along the lines of loyalty missions (which I think we will for races in general) for characters in Mass Effect 3. Tali's though could only revolve around the Flotilla. Which would be cool if we could go to ships other than the Rayya.

Edit: Though I have this nasty knot in my stomach that makes it seem as if ME3 might have Tali going back  to the Flotilla to deny a possible spot for admiralty and then some Quarian professes his love for her......That's when Renegade Shepard comes in...

How is this off topic?

You're lost your ability to discern barriers if you think so.
Rumor is there will be DLC to bridge me2 to ME3 involving most/all the chrs.

But thats a pretty lose rumor built almost entirely on a Christina Norman twitter.

[Collider]

A knife would probably be useless in most cases. I don't think it's going to be used. As for "recruiting" races...a lot of people seem to think this will happen as well. Doesn't seem unlikely. After all, the reaper fleet is enormous, and it's high time that the galaxy or at least the council realized how dangerous the reapers are. Then again, the council being stubborn idiots is a plot device...

[Collider]

antilles333 wrote...
Edit: Though I have this nasty knot in my stomach that makes it seem as if ME3 might have Tali going back  to the Flotilla to deny a possible spot for admiralty and then some Quarian professes his love for her......That's when Renegade Shepard comes in...

Why would you think that would happen? We've no real indication of that...besides Tali risked her life to be with Shepad, she's not going throw away a relationship with him like that, especially considering their history together.

Modifié par Collider, 10 mars 2010 - 10:15 .

[Jakegnosis]

Lareit wrote...
Rumor is there will be DLC to bridge me2 to ME3 involving most/all the chrs.

But thats a pretty lose rumor built almost entirely on a Christina Norman twitter.

Wow, I hope that's true.  That's pretty much everything I'm hoping for.  I'd love for a piece of DLC that just opens up the game post-suicide mission.  I went to go have a cuddle with Tali after the finale, and that was just... it.  I feel like we deserve a dénouement, as well as some teasers for ME3.

[Collider]

I don't think he means colonist/war hero/whatever background. I think he means his background with Cerberus. I could see the admirals as using Shep's relationship with Tali as a political chess piece, but not genuinely caring themselves. Just as they used Tali to further their opinion on the war with the Geth.

[trashmonk]

[HK01]

trashmonk wrote...

[Jakegnosis]

antilles333 wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

Wow, I hope that's true.  That's pretty much everything I'm hoping for.  I'd love for a piece of DLC that just opens up the game post-suicide mission.  I went to go have a cuddle with Tali after the finale, and that was just... it.  I feel like we deserve a dénouement, as well as some teasers for ME3.

THIIIIS!

Wouldn't it be nice to get some reaction to the suicide mission?  Shep was right about the Reapers, and now he has proof.  I'd like to see the Council eat some crow.  And I'd certainly like a little more interaction with my LI than just one line and then reversion to the pre-lovescene dialogue.  That, Bioware, is what we call a cop-out.

[cutthecameras]

Jakegnosis wrote...

antilles333 wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

Wow, I hope that's true.  That's pretty much everything I'm hoping for.  I'd love for a piece of DLC that just opens up the game post-suicide mission.  I went to go have a cuddle with Tali after the finale, and that was just... it.  I feel like we deserve a dénouement, as well as some teasers for ME3.

THIIIIS!

Wouldn't it be nice to get some reaction to the suicide mission?  Shep was right about the Reapers, and now he has proof.  I'd like to see the Council eat some crow.  And I'd certainly like a little more interaction with my LI than just one line and then reversion to the pre-lovescene dialogue.  That, Bioware, is what we call a cop-out.

Couldn't agree more.

[Collider]

I imagine the lack of post-suicide mission specific content is related to the fact that you are prompted by the game whether you want to begin a new playthrough with new game+. I guess players would assume that because you are asked this, there is nothing special after the end of the game, just another opportunity to finish some sidequests. I'm not sure if they're going to release DLC to bridge ME2 to ME3...I've heard something like that, but I'm not certain. So long as it's quality, I'm all for it.

[Timey254]

Rakia_Time wrote...

trashmonk wrote...

i want some of whatever the artist is smoking

This pic sooo reminds me of Robot Unicorn Attack (this game makes addict)