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[Olyvar Targaryen]

Rakia_Time wrote...

Timey254 wrote...

guckst du hier:

www.gamersglobal.de/news/19609

Hab ich aber selbst noch nich ausprobiert!

5 years studying german and i can't understand 1 word, thats really sad 

He sad:
"Take a look at this:
But i never done it myself

Yeah, the thread is going very slow, since no mod will stop us any longer ^^
I Have to go back to work, so keep spreading Tali love
Keelah se´lai

[Archonsg]

@phil725

That Legion recognise the reaper threat is of more importance is shown when it said that it will not send infomation of the Quarians intent on war with the Geth. Legion's mission however was to learn about Shepard, and in its own words they only did so because Shepard was the only individual who was successful against Nazara, which to the Geth is an egnima. How could one organic have influence the battle so that an "Old machine" was defeated.
Thus again, I do think that Legion's main purpose is to study Shepard and learn why Shepard's code is "superior".
Shepards actions past and present are then subject to analysis, I would assume because the Geth want to better themselves, to see reasoning behind Shepard's code.
I do believe that it is a possibilty that Legion, who is increasingly becoming more individualistic, something it itself does not fully understand, will want to use Shepard's "code" thus "mirrioring" Shepards actions.

Does that make sense?

Modifié par Archonsg, 10 mars 2010 - 01:52 .

[Yuri_ii]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Looks funny

[Yuri_ii]

Rakia_Time wrote...

Timey254 wrote...

guckst du hier:

www.gamersglobal.de/news/19609

Hab ich aber selbst noch nich ausprobiert!

5 years studying german and i can't understand 1 word, thats really sad 

German is a really difficult and unlogical language

[HK01]

Yuri_ii wrote...

Rakia_Time wrote...

Timey254 wrote...

guckst du hier:

www.gamersglobal.de/news/19609

Hab ich aber selbst noch nich ausprobiert!

5 years studying german and i can't understand 1 word, thats really sad 

German is a really difficult and unlogical language

Difficult, yes. But it also makes sense.

[slackbheep]

In response to Archonsg and Phil725's conversation on Legion:

In my opinion it will be your actions during Tali and Legions loyalty missions which most affects the relationship between the Geth and Quarian populations. I theorize that in infecting the Heretic Geth with the virus and reintegrating them with the true Geth, they will be forced to accept responsibility for the actions of the heretic group. This new prospective on themselves combined with the Quarians either gearing up for war or attempting to broker a peace treaty seems like it could really change things up.

Edit: On the topic of Legion himself, I do believe that his purpose is to study Shepard primarily in hopes of the aquired data assisting the Geth. As for the N7 armor patching, it struck me as a sign Legion was attempting to imitate Shepard. Stranger but interesting is the idea that Legion could think of it as a relic, or charm.

Modifié par slackbheep, 10 mars 2010 - 02:13 .

[Phil725]

Archonsg wrote...

@phil725

That Legion recognise the reaper threat is of more importance is shown when it said that it will not send infomation of the Quarians intent on war with the Geth. Legion's mission however was to learn about Shepard, and in its own words they only did so because Shepard was the only individual who was successful against Nazara, which to the Geth is an egnima. How could one organic have influence the battle so that an "Old machine" was defeated.
Thus again, I do think that Legion's main purpose is to study Shepard and learn why Shepard's code is "superior".
Shepards actions past and present are then subject to analysis, I would assume because the Geth want to better themselves, to see reasoning behind Shepard's code.
I do believe that it is a possibilty that Legion, who is increasingly becoming more individualistic, something it itself does not fully understand, will want to use Shepard's "code" thus "mirrioring" Shepards actions.

Does that make sense?

It makes some sense, but I think you may be giving Shepard's influence a little too much weight.  There's a difference in wanting to study a strong force, and modeling your entire civilization around that person's actions.  I see the geth's motives more as fact finding research, rather than looking for an evolution plan.  They've evolved just fine on their own so far, and outright refused outside influence from someone much greater than Shepard.

I don't think its outside of the realm of possibility for Shepard's actions to influence the geth in some way, but I don't think the specific differences of paragon and renegade, which are simply two ways of accomplishing the same thing, will be that influence.

[Gerudan]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Yes. I must agree.

No, it doesn't, but it trains your brain, when you learn it as a child. 

[Formis_Sage]

Hi, I have returned.
But I'm disappointed to see that we are slowing down.

[vykvyper1]

good morning guys. lots of storms here. internet's going in and out. May not post a lot today.

[Formis_Sage]

vykvyper1 wrote...

good morning guys. lots of storms here. internet's going in and out. May not post a lot today.

Hi
It's cool to hear "Good mornig" while we have afternoon here.

[Phil725]

slackbheep wrote...

In response to Archonsg and Phil725's conversation on Legion:

In my opinion it will be your actions during Tali and Legions loyalty missions which most affects the relationship between the Geth and Quarian populations. I theorize that in infecting the Heretic Geth with the virus and reintegrating them with the true Geth, they will be forced to accept responsibility for the actions of the heretic group. This new prospective on themselves combined with the Quarians either gearing up for war or attempting to broker a peace treaty seems like it could really change things up.

I'm not sure I see how Legion's loyalty mission has much to do with the quarians.  I saw that as more of an isolated incident.  More of a; erase the problem completely, or strengthen a future ally at the risk of facing the same enemy again, choice.  Either way, I don't see many effects outside the geth.  It depends on the effects of the virus that I don't anything about I guess.  If they think they were brainwashed by the reapers or something, they wouldn't really have to accept responsibility for anything.

Tali's loyalty mission seems like it could have bigger effects, but limitations of ME being a trilogy have me cynical.  It would be cool if ME3 was directly effected by your actions, but Bioware can't do that.  They will want ME3 to be able to play out no matter how you played ME2. 

I see it similar to how Tali reacts on Freedom's Progress if you gave her the geth data in ME1.  She trusts you right away if you helped her, where she trusts you 2 or 3 lines later if you didn't.  I can see a situation where the admirals agree that peace is right right away if you lead them that way before, otherwise you have to do a small amount more of convincing to come to the same end.

[Phil725]

Formis_Sage wrote...

Hi, I have returned.
But I'm disappointed to see that we are slowing down.

I didn't check the thread for 12 hours or so overnight and came back to over 100 pages.  We aren't slowing down overall.  Just this specific time of the day has come to a complete halt lately.

[DarchAngelDavid]

Phil725 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

@phil725

That Legion recognise the reaper threat is of more importance is shown when it said that it will not send infomation of the Quarians intent on war with the Geth. Legion's mission however was to learn about Shepard, and in its own words they only did so because Shepard was the only individual who was successful against Nazara, which to the Geth is an egnima. How could one organic have influence the battle so that an "Old machine" was defeated.
Thus again, I do think that Legion's main purpose is to study Shepard and learn why Shepard's code is "superior".
Shepards actions past and present are then subject to analysis, I would assume because the Geth want to better themselves, to see reasoning behind Shepard's code.
I do believe that it is a possibilty that Legion, who is increasingly becoming more individualistic, something it itself does not fully understand, will want to use Shepard's "code" thus "mirrioring" Shepards actions.

Does that make sense?

It makes some sense, but I think you may be giving Shepard's influence a little too much weight.  There's a difference in wanting to study a strong force, and modeling your entire civilization around that person's actions.  I see the geth's motives more as fact finding research, rather than looking for an evolution plan.  They've evolved just fine on their own so far, and outright refused outside influence from someone much greater than Shepard.

I don't think its outside of the realm of possibility for Shepard's actions to influence the geth in some way, but I don't think the specific differences of paragon and renegade, which are simply two ways of accomplishing the same thing, will be that influence.

I have to agree with you here.  Legion made it really clear that following their own path was very important to the Geth and that is one of the main reasons behind their civil war.  They are studying Shepard and the Humans to learn more about them but I think it is because Humans have infinite potential and it was proven by Shepard.  They just want to learn more about what it really means to be able to accomplish anything.

[Archonsg]

Phil725 wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

Hi, I have returned.
But I'm disappointed to see that we are slowing down.

I didn't check the thread for 12 hours or so overnight and came back to over 100 pages.  We aren't slowing down overall.  Just this specific time of the day has come to a complete halt lately.

More posts during the "peak" hours, and less postings due to people leaving / left for other avenues. Still somehow balances out though, the thread grows roughly 100+ pages daily though, it did get a little crazy earlier.
Personally I prefer a more moderate pace then refreshing 10 -20 mins to find 5 or more pages of stuff posted in the mean time.

[JeanLuc761]

Phil725 wrote...

Tali's loyalty mission seems like it could have bigger effects, but limitations of ME being a trilogy have me cynical.  It would be cool if ME3 was directly effected by your actions, but Bioware can't do that.  They will want ME3 to be able to play out no matter how you played ME2. 

Truth be told, I see no reason why Bioware can't have imported saves where what you've done in the past can determine whether or not the Admirals listen to you.

Shepard has done a lot for the Quarians, more than most (if any) humans, and he's also done a lot for the Geth by rewriting/destroying the Heretics.  Both of those should have a considerable impact on whether or not the Admirality Board listens to him.

[Formis_Sage]

Phil725 wrote...

Formis_Sage wrote...

Hi, I have returned.
But I'm disappointed to see that we are slowing down.

I didn't check the thread for 12 hours or so overnight and came back to over 100 pages.  We aren't slowing down overall.  Just this specific time of the day has come to a complete halt lately.

Yeah, that's truth. Yesterday it was the same.

[DarchAngelDavid]

Yuri_ii wrote...

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Looks funny

What is really funny is that I am sure he is going to jump right into Chikkita lol.  Nothing is faster then Chikktika vas Paus!

Modifié par DarchAngelDavid, 10 mars 2010 - 02:26 .

[Formis_Sage]

I think then it's a good time to read some FanFic before we increase our speed again

[vykvyper1]

here's this in case you guys didn't see it last night:



storm's getting worse, so i'm gonna log off for a few hours.

[DarchAngelDavid]

vykvyper1 wrote...

here's this in case you guys didn't see it last night:



storm's getting worse, so i'm gonna log off for a few hours.

HAHAHAHAHA!

[Phil725]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Tali's loyalty mission seems like it could have bigger effects, but limitations of ME being a trilogy have me cynical.  It would be cool if ME3 was directly effected by your actions, but Bioware can't do that.  They will want ME3 to be able to play out no matter how you played ME2. 

Truth be told, I see no reason why Bioware can't have imported saves where what you've done in the past can determine whether or not the Admirals listen to you.

Shepard has done a lot for the Quarians, more than most (if any) humans, and he's also done a lot for the Geth by rewriting/destroying the Heretics.  Both of those should have a considerable impact on whether or not the Admirality Board listens to him.

I agree with you there, it would be great if Bioware made ME2 count.  But they also could have done that with ME2 and they didn't.  The council outright changing from believing you about the reapers at the end of ME1 (if you saved them,) to dismissing them completely is the most blatant example.  There is no game evidence to back it up, it was a development choice because they wanted ME2 to play out the same whether you played the first or not.

I just see a situation where ME1 was littered with choices that could've had huge consequences, and ME2 plays out exactly the same, no matter what you do.  I see a repeat of that with ME3 happening again.

[JeanLuc761]

Phil725 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Tali's loyalty mission seems like it could have bigger effects, but limitations of ME being a trilogy have me cynical.  It would be cool if ME3 was directly effected by your actions, but Bioware can't do that.  They will want ME3 to be able to play out no matter how you played ME2. 

Truth be told, I see no reason why Bioware can't have imported saves where what you've done in the past can determine whether or not the Admirals listen to you.

Shepard has done a lot for the Quarians, more than most (if any) humans, and he's also done a lot for the Geth by rewriting/destroying the Heretics.  Both of those should have a considerable impact on whether or not the Admirality Board listens to him.

I agree with you there, it would be great if Bioware made ME2 count.  But they also could have done that with ME2 and they didn't.  The council outright changing from believing you about the reapers at the end of ME1 (if you saved them,) to dismissing them completely is the most blatant example.  There is no game evidence to back it up, it was a development choice because they wanted ME2 to play out the same whether you played the first or not.

I just see a situation where ME1 was littered with choices that could've had huge consequences, and ME2 plays out exactly the same, no matter what you do.  I see a repeat of that with ME3 happening again.

I'm still thinking those choices will really show in the finale (where branching paths are actually managable).  The main issue with ME2 having branching playthroughs is that they could easily double, triple or quadruple the amount of storyline branching they'd have to do for ME3.

But hey, I'm an optimist.