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[Archonsg]

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Archonsg wrote...

@ soban
Not bad.

Deserves a :

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SpatFieya wrote...

HipHop402 wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

HipHop402 wrote...

Omgf has mass effect really picked up that much momentum?

I think this is mere speculation.

Yea i thought so too. so i googled it. apparently project director Casey Hudson told MTV there is a huge interest in making a ME movie and they have gotten a lot of offers but nothing at all is in the works. Besides that. if they do end up making a movie IF!! I would hope they wouldn't try to cover the whole story in one movie. that would be suck-ish lol i hope they would pace their selves like lucas did with his movies only, i hope they aren't long as hell like starwars <_<

Tbh, just do paragon shep, **** make it all CGI for all I care. As long as the story is depicted spot on, then I'm fine. Yeah, ME is an RPG, but I think that the choices are made by your character per say, they aren't making a "David Shepard" or "Nick Shepard" movie. It's John Shepard, the paragon, heart of courage hero who rises from ashes to save the Galaxy. Now the argument is "well, my shepard is a hot moma who was renegade!", yeah that's cool, but that's your Shepard. Not John Shepard. Yeah I can play as John and go completley renegade, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it fits the story. People like those who make the hard, but right decisions. Someone who we look up to and strive to be, and thats what feel the true John Shepard is.

Who would be the LI? I dunno, probably Tali since all of the support she has and from popular opinion she has the better story and is also considered cannon. Why is that? She confeses her love for you, of how she always loved you. No other character has done that. And personally, it's a better story, a girl who's wanted this man and dreamed of him since the day she met him, but thought she couldn't have him for she was in a suit another species, etc. That's something that moves people, something people can relate to. Unless you can relate to boning a crazy chick who shoots blue energy out her ass.

Would it cause people to throw a sh!t fit? Of course, every movie about a game/book does. It's about pleasing the general fans and audience. 

Well, even though this is her choir so to speak, I have to say that I agree with you spot on.
The trouble with LIs is just how much are they willing to develop the story and from which viewpoint they want the love interest to be seen in.
They could use Ash / Mirranda, or Liarra since those two would assumably be "less trouble" to do then a LI with Tali. Ash / Miri  of course being the easiest since since they are human but as you pointed out, one of the reasons why I think we all loved Tali's romance is that she was the underdog, her people the "pariah" of the ME world. That Shepard can fall for her speaks of *his* character while Tali's emotional portrayal shows her to be "human" ,no,  more then human, since she is willing to risk death to be with Shepard. That kind of romance speaks to everyone I think. Hence why so many Talimancers, no?

As for those who would throw a fit over Tali's romance, I say *screw* em!

Now, if they frack up the story as in mixed it all (a little bit is okay...like what they did in LOTR)  up "for artistic" value....I'll not be a happy camper.

Modifié par Archonsg, 11 mars 2010 - 09:28 .

[Jakegnosis]

antilles333 wrote...

Yes, I remember the rule change. Manning looked like a QB god after that. Then showed us what he really is in the first round. I wouldn't even call Corey Dillon's season that great. Troy Brown was a good receiver, but nowhere near  the top of the talent. Not to mention Manning didn't play four quarters, yes. But he played 10 games (AT LEAST) in a dome. Brady played I think three games at max in a dome that year.. He is in the top five for passer rating, and has one of the best regular season records as a starter. Dude is clutch and there's no one I'd rather have in a clutch situation in either the regular season or the playoffs.  I'll take Brady's 14-4 playoff record over Manning's 8-9. The closest one that comes to his caliber is Kurt Warner (who is a postseason ****ing wizard 9-4 with the most incredible stats across each game (minus his final one where he got hurt).

It's crazy that Warner's retirement flew so far under the radar.  He was great, and coming from the Arena League, a great football story.  It's just garbage that there's a frothing media circus every year about Brett Favre maybe/maybe not retiring, and a guy like Warner gets ignored when he actually calls it quits.

Quick thoughts: 

I remember Dillon being awesome, but as a Pats fan, I may not be qualified to judge, having never seen any really superlative backs for more than a game at a time, ever.

Brady's performance outside in inclement weather is not to be underestimated.

I <3 Troy Brown, but he was getting long in the tooth by the time Brady showed up, and no one's going to mistake him for an all-time great.

[Soban]

GMR25 wrote...

Soban wrote...
*snip*

Please post a link to your blog instead, it's too long to fit into a post without taking up an entire page.

Will do.

http://z15.invisionf...?showtopic=3007

Ziara is the name I use on that forum.

Thanks for the praise. I liked the Tali Poke'mon pic.

Modifié par Soban, 11 mars 2010 - 09:32 .

[Archonsg]

Soban wrote...

GMR25 wrote...

Soban wrote...
*snip*

Please post a link to your blog instead, it's too long to fit into a post without taking up an entire page.

Will do.

http://z15.invisionf...?showtopic=3007

Ziara is the name I use on that forum.

Why not use the blog that comes with the Bioware social site?

[Soban]

We have a blog?

< Dense as a rock

[Jakegnosis]

SpatFieya wrote...
Tbh, just do paragon shep, **** make it all CGI for all I care. As long as the story is depicted spot on, then I'm fine. Yeah, ME is an RPG, but I think that the choices are made by your character per say, they aren't making a "David Shepard" or "Nick Shepard" movie. It's John Shepard, the paragon, heart of courage hero who rises from ashes to save the Galaxy. Now the argument is "well, my shepard is a hot moma who was renegade!", yeah that's cool, but that's your Shepard. Not John Shepard. Yeah I can play as John and go completley renegade, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it fits the story. People like those who make the hard, but right decisions. Someone who we look up to and strive to be, and thats what feel the true John Shepard is.

This makes no sense.  There is no "true" Shepard.  There is no Mass Effect "canon" with regards to Shepard's actions and personal storyline.  The entire point is that you, the player, dictate the actions of Shepard, and the game adapts to your choices.  If you play a Paragon default Shepard, hey, great, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but your Shepard isn't any more valid than anyone else's is.

[Dualfinger]

Plus 1 to the total score

[cutthecameras]

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
Tbh, just do paragon shep, **** make it all CGI for all I care. As long as the story is depicted spot on, then I'm fine. Yeah, ME is an RPG, but I think that the choices are made by your character per say, they aren't making a "David Shepard" or "Nick Shepard" movie. It's John Shepard, the paragon, heart of courage hero who rises from ashes to save the Galaxy. Now the argument is "well, my shepard is a hot moma who was renegade!", yeah that's cool, but that's your Shepard. Not John Shepard. Yeah I can play as John and go completley renegade, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it fits the story. People like those who make the hard, but right decisions. Someone who we look up to and strive to be, and thats what feel the true John Shepard is.

This makes no sense.  There is no "true" Shepard.  There is no Mass Effect "canon" with regards to Shepard's actions and personal storyline.  The entire point is that you, the player, dictate the actions of Shepard, and the game adapts to your choices.  If you play a Paragon default Shepard, hey, great, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but your Shepard isn't any more valid than anyone else's is.

I agree! And while you're at it you can mention that technically John Shepard didn't save the council that's kinda sorta Renegade in my book.

[Archonsg]

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
Tbh, just do paragon shep, **** make it all CGI for all I care. As long as the story is depicted spot on, then I'm fine. Yeah, ME is an RPG, but I think that the choices are made by your character per say, they aren't making a "David Shepard" or "Nick Shepard" movie. It's John Shepard, the paragon, heart of courage hero who rises from ashes to save the Galaxy. Now the argument is "well, my shepard is a hot moma who was renegade!", yeah that's cool, but that's your Shepard. Not John Shepard. Yeah I can play as John and go completley renegade, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it fits the story. People like those who make the hard, but right decisions. Someone who we look up to and strive to be, and thats what feel the true John Shepard is.

This makes no sense.  There is no "true" Shepard.  There is no Mass Effect "canon" with regards to Shepard's actions and personal storyline.  The entire point is that you, the player, dictate the actions of Shepard, and the game adapts to your choices.  If you play a Paragon default Shepard, hey, great, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but your Shepard isn't any more valid than anyone else's is.

Wait wait.. I see both points of view, and I do think that Bioware does have a "canon" view of sorts. For example, if you DO allow Shepard to die in ME2 and choose to play ME3 with that dead savegame, won't you get a "default" (canon) Shepard?
But more to the point, *if* they do make a movie, they can't make a story that will be accepted by everyone due to the nature of the game. Thus they *have* to make a canon version, at least one that they feel will gel with the script, audience and critics. I don't think they will make "movie Shepard" to be like my Raven Shepard who is an Ahole Renegade (kicks Tali when she is down too...or did...I had to replay ) because I don't think that character will "sell" well to the audience.

[Archonsg]

Soban wrote...

We have a blog?
< Dense as a rock

Ya. Look under your profile picture...look under "my content" >> Blogs

[Soban]

Thanks, I think I've found it now. I'm new to this site.

[SpatFieya]

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
Tbh, just do paragon shep, **** make it all CGI for all I care. As long as the story is depicted spot on, then I'm fine. Yeah, ME is an RPG, but I think that the choices are made by your character per say, they aren't making a "David Shepard" or "Nick Shepard" movie. It's John Shepard, the paragon, heart of courage hero who rises from ashes to save the Galaxy. Now the argument is "well, my shepard is a hot moma who was renegade!", yeah that's cool, but that's your Shepard. Not John Shepard. Yeah I can play as John and go completley renegade, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it fits the story. People like those who make the hard, but right decisions. Someone who we look up to and strive to be, and thats what feel the true John Shepard is.

This makes no sense.  There is no "true" Shepard.  There is no Mass Effect "canon" with regards to Shepard's actions and personal storyline.  The entire point is that you, the player, dictate the actions of Shepard, and the game adapts to your choices.  If you play a Paragon default Shepard, hey, great, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but your Shepard isn't any more valid than anyone else's is.

It wasn't about my Shepard. Always did renegade when playing my Shepard. If they make a movie about it, they can't appeal to everyone of course. They would need to appeal to the general audience, said argument above, would be the best choice imo.

Like it or not, a movie about a person who is suppose to be a hero, rolling around killing people without mercy and being synical to everyone he knows, wouldn't sell good in the box office. People like good guys as role models.

It's the way it is.

[Archonsg]

Soban wrote...

Thanks, I think I've found it now. I'm new to this site.

No worries. Most of us here, are quite good people. Though like any other family ...spats occur. Just ask if you need help though sometimes when this thread moves fast you can get lost in the shuffle. Just post on the general forums and usually someone will help.

[Jakegnosis]

Archonsg wrote...
Wait wait.. I see both points of view, and I do think that Bioware does have a "canon" view of sorts. For example, if you DO allow Shepard to die in ME2 and choose to play ME3 with that dead savegame, won't you get a "default" (canon) Shepard?

Default does not equal canon.  Bioware had to create some sort of default Shepard for ME2, simply because all the ME2 players that passed on ME1 needed those decisions made for them in order for the game to work. 

There is also a default female Shepard, which further puts the lie to the idea of "canon."  The idea of "canon" is that there is one officially-sanctioned version of characters and events, and the fact that there are two default Shepards in ME2 means that, logically, neither can be canonical.

[Archonsg]

SpatFieya wrote...

It wasn't about my Shepard. Always did renegade when playing my Shepard. If they make a movie about it, they can't appeal to everyone of course. They would need to appeal to the general audience, said argument above, would be the best choice imo.

Like it or not, a movie about a person who is suppose to be a hero, rolling around killing people without mercy and being synical to everyone he knows, wouldn't sell good in the box office. People like good guys as role models.

It's the way it is.

Ya.
Like I mentioned above, I am pretty sure there is no way they'll model the "movie Shepard" after one of my "canon" (Paragade / Renegon / Paragon / Renegade + different love interests) Shepards Raven because he's essentially the Psycho kick the puppy, human supremist racist. Not a good "role model" or politically correct to be used as a hero. For kicks I chose Colonist / Hero even though he's pure Renegade, as his background as it tells a better tale then "Earth / Ruthless" (my Paragade) .

[Jakegnosis]

SpatFieya wrote...
Like it or not, a movie about a person who is suppose to be a hero, rolling around killing people without mercy and being synical to everyone he knows, wouldn't sell good in the box office. People like good guys as role models.

It's the way it is.

These gentlemen might disagree.

[SpatFieya]

Jakegnosis wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
Wait wait.. I see both points of view, and I do think that Bioware does have a "canon" view of sorts. For example, if you DO allow Shepard to die in ME2 and choose to play ME3 with that dead savegame, won't you get a "default" (canon) Shepard?

Default does not equal canon.  Bioware had to create some sort of default Shepard for ME2, simply because all the ME2 players that passed on ME1 needed those decisions made for them in order for the game to work. 

There is also a default female Shepard, which further puts the lie to the idea of "canon."  The idea of "canon" is that there is one officially-sanctioned version of characters and events, and the fact that there are two default Shepards in ME2 means that, logically, neither can be canonical.

I consider default male paragon Shepard canon. Reason being, you don't see a scared, red eyed Shepard in the ME2 commercials do you?

Bioware could of easily left that out if they took such a strong stance of "It's you character, you're story".

But lets not get our boxers and or briefs twisted between our glutes here.

[SpatFieya]

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
Like it or not, a movie about a person who is suppose to be a hero, rolling around killing people without mercy and being synical to everyone he knows, wouldn't sell good in the box office. People like good guys as role models.

It's the way it is.

These gentlemen might disagree.

Didn't know Clint Eastwood or Mel Gibson where saviors of the Galaxy.

[Jakegnosis]

SpatFieya wrote...
I consider default male paragon Shepard canon. Reason being, you don't see a scared, red eyed Shepard in the ME2 commercials do you?

Bioware could of easily left that out if they took such a strong stance of "It's you character, you're story".

But lets not get our boxers and or briefs twisted between our glutes here.

Marketing.  It's important to have an identifiable face to attach to a franchise.

[SpatFieya]

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
I consider default male paragon Shepard canon. Reason being, you don't see a scared, red eyed Shepard in the ME2 commercials do you?

Bioware could of easily left that out if they took such a strong stance of "It's you character, you're story".

But lets not get our boxers and or briefs twisted between our glutes here.

Marketing.  It's important to have an identifiable face to attach to a franchise.

Isn't that what movies are about when pertaining to a video game? 

[cutthecameras]

SpatFieya wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...

Tbh, just do paragon shep, **** make it all CGI for all I care. As long as the story is depicted spot on, then I'm fine. Yeah, ME is an RPG, but I think that the choices are made by your character per say, they aren't making a "David Shepard" or "Nick Shepard" movie. It's John Shepard, the paragon, heart of courage hero who rises from ashes to save the Galaxy. Now the argument is "well, my shepard is a hot moma who was renegade!", yeah that's cool, but that's your Shepard. Not John Shepard. Yeah I can play as John and go completley renegade, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it fits the story. People like those who make the hard, but right decisions. Someone who we look up to and strive to be, and thats what feel the true John Shepard is.

This makes no sense. There is no "true" Shepard. There is no Mass Effect "canon" with regards to Shepard's actions and personal storyline. The entire point is that you, the player, dictate the actions of Shepard, and the game adapts to your choices. If you play a Paragon default Shepard, hey, great, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but your Shepard isn't any more valid than anyone else's is.

It wasn't about my Shepard. Always did renegade when playing my Shepard. If they make a movie about it, they can't appeal to everyone of course. They would need to appeal to the general audience, said argument above, would be the best choice imo.



Like it or not, a movie about a person who is suppose to be a hero, rolling around killing people without mercy and being synical to everyone he knows, wouldn't sell good in the box office. People like good guys as role models.



It's the way it is.

Off topiccccc?



I think a movie not centering on Commander Shepard is the best way to go. I'm tired of videogame movies having to be about what the game deals with. I played the game, why should I care? There's the fact that in a game like ME a lot of us will feel alienated by the "cannon" Shep on screen, but I think it's just a matter of what makes a better film. They have an extremely rich universe in which to set any sort of screenplay and I think instead of leaning on Shepard like a crutch they can give the character 0 screen time and deal with other things instead, perhaps there could be some overlap into familiar territory (Illos, Freedom's Progress, Migrant Fleet) but for the most part I think a totally new story is what would make a better movie.



More videogame movies need to take that approach. It's no secret that all VG movies so far have really sucked (No Exceptions) and it's precisely because they so fearfully stick to the main plot of the game. If Bioshock were a movie for example, how god damn redundant would it be if it centered around the events of the game? If you want the game, then play the game. Again, in this case I think a movie taking place on Rapture is enough to draw anyone in. The setting is compelling enough to expand upon.

[Archonsg]

Jakegnosis wrote...

There is also a default female Shepard, which further puts the lie to the idea of "canon."  The idea of "canon" is that there is one officially-sanctioned version of characters and events, and the fact that there are two default Shepards in ME2 means that, logically, neither can be canonical.

Okies. So if they are going to make a movie, would they make Shepard a Shemale?
I don't think so, since they *have* to choose to either make Shepard a "him" or "her" right?
That is what I am saying, once they DO make a movie, there *will* be a "canon" version because that is what they need to do to tell the story. They cannot be be ambiguous about his sex, his "moral slant" or his name, which from past evidence from launch trailers for both ME1 and 2 and other ME related media, depicts Shepard as a Him and named "John".

I do see your point about the game not having a canon, and I agree with you there, since ME1 and 2 *is* about *our* game, the way we play it and the choices we make.
But what I am saying is that for a movie, they do not have that luxury.

[SpatFieya]

cutthecameras wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
Tbh, just do paragon shep, **** make it all CGI for all I care. As long as the story is depicted spot on, then I'm fine. Yeah, ME is an RPG, but I think that the choices are made by your character per say, they aren't making a "David Shepard" or "Nick Shepard" movie. It's John Shepard, the paragon, heart of courage hero who rises from ashes to save the Galaxy. Now the argument is "well, my shepard is a hot moma who was renegade!", yeah that's cool, but that's your Shepard. Not John Shepard. Yeah I can play as John and go completley renegade, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it fits the story. People like those who make the hard, but right decisions. Someone who we look up to and strive to be, and thats what feel the true John Shepard is.

This makes no sense. There is no "true" Shepard. There is no Mass Effect "canon" with regards to Shepard's actions and personal storyline. The entire point is that you, the player, dictate the actions of Shepard, and the game adapts to your choices. If you play a Paragon default Shepard, hey, great, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but your Shepard isn't any more valid than anyone else's is.

It wasn't about my Shepard. Always did renegade when playing my Shepard. If they make a movie about it, they can't appeal to everyone of course. They would need to appeal to the general audience, said argument above, would be the best choice imo.

Like it or not, a movie about a person who is suppose to be a hero, rolling around killing people without mercy and being synical to everyone he knows, wouldn't sell good in the box office. People like good guys as role models.

It's the way it is.

Off topiccccc?

I think a movie not centering on Commander Shepard is the best way to go. I'm tired of videogame movies having to be about what the game deals with. I played the game, why should I care? There's the fact that in a game like ME a lot of us will feel alienated by the "cannon" Shep on screen, but I think it's just a matter of what makes a better film. They have an extremely rich universe in which to set any sort of screenplay and I think instead of leaning on Shepard like a crutch they can give the character 0 screen time and deal with other things instead, perhaps there could be some overlap into familiar territory (Illos, Freedom's Progress, Migrant Fleet) but for the most part I think a totally new story is what would make a better movie.

More videogame movies need to take that approach. It's no secret that all VG movies so far have really sucked (No Exceptions) and it's precisely because they so fearfully stick to the main plot of the game. If Bioshock were a movie for example, how god damn redundant would it be if it centered around the events of the game? If you want the game, then play the game. Again, in this case I think a movie taking place on Rapture is enough to draw anyone in. The setting is compelling enough to expand upon.

I would support a ME movie about the first contact war. Actually, that seems more plausible. That way bioware can get around upsetting fans.