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[Jakegnosis]

SpatFieya wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
Like it or not, a movie about a person who is suppose to be a hero, rolling around killing people without mercy and being synical to everyone he knows, wouldn't sell good in the box office. People like good guys as role models.

It's the way it is.

These gentlemen might disagree.

*snip*

Didn't know Clint Eastwood or Mel Gibson where saviors of the Galaxy.

Oh, please.

Dirty Harry, Travis Bickle and Mad Max are the perfect examples of movie heroes who do exactly what you just stated movie heroes can't do and expect their movie to be successful.  What does being a galaxy-saving sci-fi protagonist have to do with anything that you just said?

[SpatFieya]

Archonsg wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

There is also a default female Shepard, which further puts the lie to the idea of "canon."  The idea of "canon" is that there is one officially-sanctioned version of characters and events, and the fact that there are two default Shepards in ME2 means that, logically, neither can be canonical.

Okies. So if they are going to make a movie, would they make Shepard a Shemale?
I don't think so, since they *have* to choose to either make Shepard a "him" or "her" right?
That is what I am saying, once they DO make a movie, there *will* be a "canon" version because that is what they need to do to tell the story. They cannot be be ambiguous about his sex, his "moral slant" or his name, which from past evidence from launch trailers for both ME1 and 2 and other ME related media, depicts Shepard as a Him and named "John".

I do see your point about the game not having a canon, and I agree with you there, since ME1 and 2 *is* about *our* game, the way we play it and the choices we make.
But what I am saying is that for a movie, they do not have that luxury.

Agreed. Bioware would have to make a decision. 

And paragon Shep would appeal to general audience.

[Jakegnosis]

Archonsg wrote...
Okies. So if they are going to make a movie, would they make Shepard a Shemale?
I don't think so, since they *have* to choose to either make Shepard a "him" or "her" right?
That is what I am saying, once they DO make a movie, there *will* be a "canon" version because that is what they need to do to tell the story. They cannot be be ambiguous about his sex, his "moral slant" or his name, which from past evidence from launch trailers for both ME1 and 2 and other ME related media, depicts Shepard as a Him and named "John".

I do see your point about the game not having a canon, and I agree with you there, since ME1 and 2 *is* about *our* game, the way we play it and the choices we make.
But what I am saying is that for a movie, they do not have that luxury.

Everything you just said reinforces my belief that any Shepard-based ME movie would be contrary to the entire point of the franchise, and thus garbage.

[cutthecameras]

SpatFieya wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
Tbh, just do paragon shep, **** make it all CGI for all I care. As long as the story is depicted spot on, then I'm fine. Yeah, ME is an RPG, but I think that the choices are made by your character per say, they aren't making a "David Shepard" or "Nick Shepard" movie. It's John Shepard, the paragon, heart of courage hero who rises from ashes to save the Galaxy. Now the argument is "well, my shepard is a hot moma who was renegade!", yeah that's cool, but that's your Shepard. Not John Shepard. Yeah I can play as John and go completley renegade, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it fits the story. People like those who make the hard, but right decisions. Someone who we look up to and strive to be, and thats what feel the true John Shepard is.

This makes no sense. There is no "true" Shepard. There is no Mass Effect "canon" with regards to Shepard's actions and personal storyline. The entire point is that you, the player, dictate the actions of Shepard, and the game adapts to your choices. If you play a Paragon default Shepard, hey, great, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but your Shepard isn't any more valid than anyone else's is.

It wasn't about my Shepard. Always did renegade when playing my Shepard. If they make a movie about it, they can't appeal to everyone of course. They would need to appeal to the general audience, said argument above, would be the best choice imo.

Like it or not, a movie about a person who is suppose to be a hero, rolling around killing people without mercy and being synical to everyone he knows, wouldn't sell good in the box office. People like good guys as role models.

It's the way it is.

Off topiccccc?

I think a movie not centering on Commander Shepard is the best way to go. I'm tired of videogame movies having to be about what the game deals with. I played the game, why should I care? There's the fact that in a game like ME a lot of us will feel alienated by the "cannon" Shep on screen, but I think it's just a matter of what makes a better film. They have an extremely rich universe in which to set any sort of screenplay and I think instead of leaning on Shepard like a crutch they can give the character 0 screen time and deal with other things instead, perhaps there could be some overlap into familiar territory (Illos, Freedom's Progress, Migrant Fleet) but for the most part I think a totally new story is what would make a better movie.

More videogame movies need to take that approach. It's no secret that all VG movies so far have really sucked (No Exceptions) and it's precisely because they so fearfully stick to the main plot of the game. If Bioshock were a movie for example, how god damn redundant would it be if it centered around the events of the game? If you want the game, then play the game. Again, in this case I think a movie taking place on Rapture is enough to draw anyone in. The setting is compelling enough to expand upon.

I would support a ME movie about the first contact war. Actually, that seems more plausible. That way bioware can get around upsetting fans.

Exactly.
There are plenty of really interesting events in the ME universe. Hey, why not put us in the heart of the citadel during Sovereign's attack? The confusion, the chaos, perhaps the main character of the film loses someone important to them, or everything. Slavers attacked Mindoir. There's the sun on Haestrom. Hell, why does it have to center around a human conflict? Why not a Quarian main character on Pilgramige getting sucked into a tangled web of sinister events? There's so much potential that would go sadly unexplored if they stick with the main story arc of the games.

You could catch glimpses of previous (or future) squad members or LIs at different points in their life. Perhaps our hero could encounter Tali Zorah, maybe they were hiding nearby and witnessed her extract the evidence against Saren from the geth. You know, something the fans can look at and go "Wow that's really cool, I've always wanted to see that." Protheans, Rachni, Krogan genophage recon...Like I said, as far as what could go into a movie, alternate angles are much more compelling than what we have all already seen.

[Archonsg]

Jakegnosis wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
Okies. So if they are going to make a movie, would they make Shepard a Shemale?
I don't think so, since they *have* to choose to either make Shepard a "him" or "her" right?
That is what I am saying, once they DO make a movie, there *will* be a "canon" version because that is what they need to do to tell the story. They cannot be be ambiguous about his sex, his "moral slant" or his name, which from past evidence from launch trailers for both ME1 and 2 and other ME related media, depicts Shepard as a Him and named "John".

I do see your point about the game not having a canon, and I agree with you there, since ME1 and 2 *is* about *our* game, the way we play it and the choices we make.
But what I am saying is that for a movie, they do not have that luxury.

Everything you just said reinforces my belief that any Shepard-based ME movie would be contrary to the entire point of the franchise, and thus garbage.

Garbage because it might not agree with your choices?
If that is what you feel, that is your right. But do you see any way a movie featuring Shepard can be both male and female at the same time? Which is one of the most fundamental choice there is in the game.

Modifié par Archonsg, 11 mars 2010 - 10:14 .

[SpatFieya]

cutthecameras wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
Tbh, just do paragon shep, **** make it all CGI for all I care. As long as the story is depicted spot on, then I'm fine. Yeah, ME is an RPG, but I think that the choices are made by your character per say, they aren't making a "David Shepard" or "Nick Shepard" movie. It's John Shepard, the paragon, heart of courage hero who rises from ashes to save the Galaxy. Now the argument is "well, my shepard is a hot moma who was renegade!", yeah that's cool, but that's your Shepard. Not John Shepard. Yeah I can play as John and go completley renegade, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like it fits the story. People like those who make the hard, but right decisions. Someone who we look up to and strive to be, and thats what feel the true John Shepard is.

This makes no sense. There is no "true" Shepard. There is no Mass Effect "canon" with regards to Shepard's actions and personal storyline. The entire point is that you, the player, dictate the actions of Shepard, and the game adapts to your choices. If you play a Paragon default Shepard, hey, great, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but your Shepard isn't any more valid than anyone else's is.

It wasn't about my Shepard. Always did renegade when playing my Shepard. If they make a movie about it, they can't appeal to everyone of course. They would need to appeal to the general audience, said argument above, would be the best choice imo.

Like it or not, a movie about a person who is suppose to be a hero, rolling around killing people without mercy and being synical to everyone he knows, wouldn't sell good in the box office. People like good guys as role models.

It's the way it is.

Off topiccccc?

I think a movie not centering on Commander Shepard is the best way to go. I'm tired of videogame movies having to be about what the game deals with. I played the game, why should I care? There's the fact that in a game like ME a lot of us will feel alienated by the "cannon" Shep on screen, but I think it's just a matter of what makes a better film. They have an extremely rich universe in which to set any sort of screenplay and I think instead of leaning on Shepard like a crutch they can give the character 0 screen time and deal with other things instead, perhaps there could be some overlap into familiar territory (Illos, Freedom's Progress, Migrant Fleet) but for the most part I think a totally new story is what would make a better movie.

More videogame movies need to take that approach. It's no secret that all VG movies so far have really sucked (No Exceptions) and it's precisely because they so fearfully stick to the main plot of the game. If Bioshock were a movie for example, how god damn redundant would it be if it centered around the events of the game? If you want the game, then play the game. Again, in this case I think a movie taking place on Rapture is enough to draw anyone in. The setting is compelling enough to expand upon.

I would support a ME movie about the first contact war. Actually, that seems more plausible. That way bioware can get around upsetting fans.

Exactly.
There are plenty of really interesting events in the ME universe. Hey, why not put us in the heart of the citadel during Sovereign's attack? The confusion, the chaos, perhaps the main character of the film loses someone important to them, or everything. Slavers attacked Mindoir. There's the sun on Haestrom. Hell, why does it have to center around a human conflict? Why not a Quarian main character on Pilgramige getting sucked into a tangled web of sinister events? There's so much potential that would go sadly unexplored if they stick with the main story arc of the games.

You could catch glimpses of previous (or future) squad members or LIs at different points in their life. Perhaps our hero could encounter Tali Zorah, maybe they were hiding nearby and witnessed her extract the evidence against Saren from the geth. You know, something the fans can look at and go "Wow that's really cool, I've always wanted to see that." Protheans, Rachni, Krogan genophage recon...Like I said, as far as what could go into a movie, alternate angles are much more compelling than what we have all already seen.

That sounds like a good foundation of an ME movie, I'd like to see something pertaining to possibly different characters and a different outlook on how the story in ME played out. Although if they decide to put it during ME1 and ME2, it would be hard to avoid anything Shepard related. They would have to make a choice of what character he is.

I would REALLY like to see a movie about First Contact, it wouldn't have to be a 'only in theaters' debut, they could do it like Halo Legends. But that's their choice. Either way, I'd like to see and good quality ME movie in the future.

[cutthecameras]

Archonsg wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
Okies. So if they are going to make a movie, would they make Shepard a Shemale?
I don't think so, since they *have* to choose to either make Shepard a "him" or "her" right?
That is what I am saying, once they DO make a movie, there *will* be a "canon" version because that is what they need to do to tell the story. They cannot be be ambiguous about his sex, his "moral slant" or his name, which from past evidence from launch trailers for both ME1 and 2 and other ME related media, depicts Shepard as a Him and named "John".

I do see your point about the game not having a canon, and I agree with you there, since ME1 and 2 *is* about *our* game, the way we play it and the choices we make.
But what I am saying is that for a movie, they do not have that luxury.

Everything you just said reinforces my belief that any Shepard-based ME movie would be contrary to the entire point of the franchise, and thus garbage.

Garbage because it might not agree with your choices?
If that is what you feel, that is your right. But do you see any way a movie featuring Shepard can be both male and female at the same time? Which is one of the most fundamental choice there is in the game.

No way.

But Shepard can be mentioned in a movie and get no screentime. They have various ways of playing the pronoun game with the character to ensure that all you know about Commander Shepard is that there is someone named Commander Shepard, and they are/were the first human Spectre.

Modifié par cutthecameras, 11 mars 2010 - 10:17 .

[HK01]

I would not want a movie in the ME universe to be about Shepard because Shepard is someone else for everybody who played Mass Effect.

[SpatFieya]

Archonsg wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
Okies. So if they are going to make a movie, would they make Shepard a Shemale?
I don't think so, since they *have* to choose to either make Shepard a "him" or "her" right?
That is what I am saying, once they DO make a movie, there *will* be a "canon" version because that is what they need to do to tell the story. They cannot be be ambiguous about his sex, his "moral slant" or his name, which from past evidence from launch trailers for both ME1 and 2 and other ME related media, depicts Shepard as a Him and named "John".

I do see your point about the game not having a canon, and I agree with you there, since ME1 and 2 *is* about *our* game, the way we play it and the choices we make.
But what I am saying is that for a movie, they do not have that luxury.

Everything you just said reinforces my belief that any Shepard-based ME movie would be contrary to the entire point of the franchise, and thus garbage.

Garbage because it might not agree with your choices?
If that is what you feel, that is your right. But do you see any way a movie featuring Shepard can be both male and female at the same time? Which is one of the most fundamental choice there is in the game.

Either way, it's a rocky foundation, everyone has they're preferences when it comes to their Shepard.

Bioware might end up having to, if they make a movie, evade the whole Shepard story so not to upset the fans. I think they'll make the right choice with which ever decision they make. Even if Shepard romances someone else, as long as the story is good, I am fine.

Now if they make a decision based movie.. THAT would be interesting. 

[HK01]

Oh and good morning everybody!

[cutthecameras]

HK01 wrote...

I would not want a movie in the ME universe to be about Shepard because Shepard is someone else for everybody who played Mass Effect.

It's jarring enough to see adverts and trailers for Mass Effect games with John Shepard plastered all over them. There's always an air of anticipation, because Hale's character is never marketed. I never know what I'm gonna get till I play the game and I guess that's interesting...But to make a movie centered around John Shepard is like a slap in the face really.

EDIT: Gooood morning

Modifié par cutthecameras, 11 mars 2010 - 10:21 .

[SpatFieya]

HK01 wrote...

Oh and good morning everybody!

You just reminded me it's bed time, 5am isn't good when you have class in the morning 

Later all, good discussion! :happy:

[Jakegnosis]

Archonsg wrote...

Garbage because it might not agree with your choices?
If that is what you feel, that is your right. But do you see any way a movie featuring Shepard can be both male and female? Which is one of the most fundamental choice there is in the game.

No, dude, jeez.  Garbage because the most fundamental pillar of the Mass Effect franchise is personal choice, and the ramifications and emotional attachments that are the byproducts of said choice.  Boiled down to its purest form, the idea and backbone of Mass Effect is this: "Shepard's story is your story."  It's an idea that lends itself very well (I would say transcendently well) to videogames as a medium, and is utterly unworkable with a static, regimented medium like film.  Which is why a Mass Effect film about Shepard would be garbage: it tears the heart and soul out of the franchise. 

[Godur]

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---Forming network

---Building operations consensus

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Hello everyone, how are we this fine day?



Also: any interesting discussions going on?

[Archonsg]

cutthecameras wrote...

But Shepard can be mentioned in a movie and get no screentime. They have various ways of playing the pronoun game with the character to ensure that all you know about Commander Shepard is that there is someone named Commander Shepard, and they are/were the first human Spectre.

Correct.
What I was pointing out earlier was that IF the movie has Shepard as a character in the movie, meaning screen time, than that would mean the movie needs a "canon" version of Shepard, whether people like it or not. It just is, since they need to have a version of Shepard and that will be his (or her) story told on screen. 
As much as I would like Shepard to be male, Asian, be an infiltrator with the Moral slant of a Renegon, I can't expect that to happen IF a ME movie has Shepard as the main character .

If the movie is say about the first contact war or something else in the ME universe say during the period between Shepard's death and revival they can play around the issue and not even mention sex, or deeds. Just generalise everything where possible if even mentioning Shepard at all.

[cutthecameras]

Archonsg wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

But Shepard can be mentioned in a movie and get no screentime. They have various ways of playing the pronoun game with the character to ensure that all you know about Commander Shepard is that there is someone named Commander Shepard, and they are/were the first human Spectre.

Correct.
What I was pointing out earlier was that IF the movie has Shepard as a character in the movie, meaning screen time, than that would mean the movie needs a "canon" version of Shepard, whether people like it or not. It just is, since they need to have a version of Shepard and that will be his (or her) story told on screen. 
As much as I would like Shepard to be male, Asian, be an infiltrator with the Moral slant of a Renegon, I can't expect that to happen IF a ME movie has Shepard as the main character .

If the movie is say about the first contact war or something else in the ME universe say during the period between Shepard's death and revival they can play around the issue and not even mention sex, or deeds. Just generalise everything where possible if even mentioning Shepard at all.

I was well aware of what you meant. My stance on this is simple and obvious: No Mass Effect movie should deal directly with Shepard.

[Yazman]

Hey guys. How's it going? Did I miss anything important?



btw, sorry about that ****storm the other day. I was out of line.

[HK01]

Yazman wrote...

Hey guys. How's it going? Did I miss anything important?

btw, sorry about that ****storm the other day. I was out of line.

It's going slow, really slow.

And what ****storm?

[Yazman]

HK01 wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Hey guys. How's it going? Did I miss anything important?

btw, sorry about that ****storm the other day. I was out of line.

It's going slow, really slow.

And what ****storm?

There was a big argument, lot of people got pissed off at each other. It sucked. I regret it.

[Jakegnosis]

Yazman wrote...

Hey guys. How's it going? Did I miss anything important?

btw, sorry about that ****storm the other day. I was out of line.

Hey, no worries.  We all get a little cranky sometimes.

We're talking about the possible structure and plot of a possible ME movie.  It is contentious.  Antilles and I were talking footbal earlier, but I think he may have gone to bed.

[Archonsg]

Jakegnosis wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Garbage because it might not agree with your choices?
If that is what you feel, that is your right. But do you see any way a movie featuring Shepard can be both male and female? Which is one of the most fundamental choice there is in the game.

No, dude, jeez.  Garbage because the most fundamental pillar of the Mass Effect franchise is personal choice, and the ramifications and emotional attachments that are the byproducts of said choice.  Boiled down to its purest form, the idea and backbone of Mass Effect is this: "Shepard's story is your story."  It's an idea that lends itself very well (I would say transcendently well) to videogames as a medium, and is utterly unworkable with a static, regimented medium like film.  Which is why a Mass Effect film about Shepard would be garbage: it tears the heart and soul out of the franchise. 

That is why I said *if* they made a movie *with* Shepard as the main. They could, still make a decent story, and I feel, will make it appeal to most of the people out there. I personally won't take it too hard if they went that way, and no, I don't think it'll be garbage if they do a bang up job on the story, emotional impact and involvement within that story and bring it across to the audience.  It won't be "my" story, my Shepard. Can't be because of the way the game is structured, but I can mentally seperate the two and treat my "game shepard" as canon while still enjoying the movie version of Shepard.

Anyways. Don't get me wrong. I do understand AND AGREE with you that the game is as strong as it is becuase it is your game, your choices. The movie cannot go that way and thus will need to make a singular "canon" version. Will the movie suck because of it? I don't honestly know.

Now lets say that they DO make a ME Universe movie, and shift focus to another part of the Galaxy / Time / Event. It would be a big challange not to mention a huge hurdle to get over because now they need to deal with totally "new" characters and hopefully not mess up in terms of timeline and character cross overs. As much as I would like to see Tali on the big screen, even a cameo would spoil the experience as it'll be a cheap fan-service thing.

Modifié par Archonsg, 11 mars 2010 - 10:41 .

[Yazman]

Jakegnosis wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Hey guys. How's it going? Did I miss anything important?

btw, sorry about that ****storm the other day. I was out of line.

Hey, no worries.  We all get a little cranky sometimes.

We're talking about the possible structure and plot of a possible ME movie.  It is contentious.  Antilles and I were talking footbal earlier, but I think he may have gone to bed.

Excellent, I really need something to talk about seriously, I have just happened upon news that makes me want to ****ing explode and destroy everything.

So what sort of structure do you mean? Seriously, the only way I could be ok with an ME movie would be if it wasn't based on the actual games, but just set in the universe itself. I would be ok with that. Because then we're left with our own experiences and memories that we can continue to share with each other without them being corrupted, and then Hollywood can do whatever the hell they want to do without destroying our memories and experiences.

[Godur]

Mass effect movie? hm..no I have nothing clever to say about that, except that it would be terrible if Uwe boll directed it.

[HK01]

Is the news Mass Effect related?

[HK01]

Godur wrote...

Mass effect movie? hm..no I have nothing clever to say about that, except that it would be terrible if Uwe boll directed it.

Seconded.