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[Divulse456]

DrakeforBake wrote...

GeeMunkey wrote...

the dream team

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favourite team in the Mass Effect Universe.

QFT, and great justice.

[The_KFD_Case]

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

[Phil725]

Soban wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

Virmire was more of a "Oh come on! I don't wanna choose" rather than an "Oh no, not what's-their-face!"

Either I choose the one that can fight but I loathe or the one that can't fight but I appreciate.

Thank god they didn't pull that in ME2,

"Now choose, Tali or Garrus!"...

Fffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

The decision that had to be made on Virmire was probably the single most debilitating decision I've faced in a computer game up to that point. At the time I was romancing Ashley (I still think she gets a bad rap that's not entirely deserved from many posters,) while Alenko had become a friendly comrade. I was genuinely torn. Ultimately I opted to save my love/lover at the time.

If I had to choose between Tali and Garrus it would be a no-brainer for me. Tali by a country mile.

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

Same thing happened to me. I was like, WTF? I mean she's right about the pepole I'm workign with, but it's me and I want someone I know I can trust at my side.

The fact that Tali is willing to trust you and look past it, when she has 10x  more of a reason to hate Cerberus than Ashley does is the ultimate coup de grace for any Ashley lover bordering on going with Tali.

[Soban]

Raniall wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

Virmire was more of a "Oh come on! I don't wanna choose" rather than an "Oh no, not what's-their-face!"

Either I choose the one that can fight but I loathe or the one that can't fight but I appreciate.

Thank god they didn't pull that in ME2,

"Now choose, Tali or Garrus!"...

Fffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

The decision that had to be made on Virmire was probably the single most debilitating decision I've faced in a computer game up to that point. At the time I was romancing Ashley (I still think she gets a bad rap that's not entirely deserved from many posters,) while Alenko had become a friendly comrade. I was genuinely torn. Ultimately I opted to save my love/lover at the time.

If I had to choose between Tali and Garrus it would be a no-brainer for me. Tali by a country mile.

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

It really sucks because she had such a down home girl thing going on with her family, and the story about her sister and stuff...

And then Horizon happens and its like..."Well fine. Screw you too."

I think I'm going to hop over to the ashley thread and write a fixfic.

[GeeMunkey]

huntrrz wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Nothing about ME1 was emotional and heartfelt.  ME2 was so much better at being emotional that they shouldn't even be compared.  There are at least 10 scenes more emotional in ME2 than the most emotional one in ME1 (Which I would personally vote is the Virmire choice.)

I have to protest (!).  I played through once as a... Colonist and found the "I Remember Me" mission surprisingly moving.  Make that ASTONISHINGLY moving.  I found myself choking up, and thinking "This is a VIDEO GAME!!!  I'm getting emotional over a VIDEO GAME!!!".  It really was an achievement, IMO.

I do agree that there are more emotional moments in ME2 - although many of them are only possible because of the foundation set by ME1.

Rachni Queen's message: "This is AWESOME!!!"

Conrad Werner (again):  "This is AWESOME!!!"

Bereaved Asari broker:  "OMG!  I 'MET' those people! ... This is AWESOME!!!"  (And, surprisingly moving.)

(To tell you the truth, I've played ME1 so many times I've forgotten if/how I felt about the Virmire choice...  It was probably a little ...wrenching the first time through.)

Yeah, the Virmire mission was a little heart wrenching for me too, I had Liara as LI, rescued Kaiden (I played a soldier so he balanced the team better) and left Ash with the bomb.

Kaiden: Commander, I can't believe you picked me over Ashley.
Shepard: I didn't, I came back for Kirrahe, "Hold the line!", I love that little guy.

[Soban]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

Where is this hint?

[DrakeforBake]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

My money is on her being a major instigater of the Geth conflict in 3. Either right or wrong.

Interesting thought, what if Rael and Xen actually did create a program that rewrote the Geth to be loyal? Not a virus that wrecks them but a program that allows them to integrate together?

Hm. That would raise a two-part moral dilemma for me. First of all, the true Geth do not appear to be mindlessly aggressive if Legion's commentary is accurate. Quite the contrary; based upon Legion's descriptions the Geth may in fact be amongst the most tolerant and enlightened sapient factions in known galactic society (quite ironic yet possibly fitting given their history and synthetic status). Secondly, I don't trust Xen's machinations further than I could throw her which probably isn't all that far. The thought of her, or anyone else for that matter (including humanity), having unhindered access to a synthetic army possibly numbering in the billions makes me uneasy.

Legion out right says that it's racist to consider Geth the same way you do other organics, such as the overwriting of the Heretics.

What if the program Xen and Rael turns out to have been something that "completed" the Geth's understanding of other races? Intergrating organic values to the Geth conciousness allowing them to come to terms with organic reasoning.

What if the Geth actually welcomed the programming? The Geth never once said they were a perfect machine that outside influences can't make impacts on their values.

What if they self determinate that they need the program once they see what has been done? The Geth never said that they improved their own programming merely multiplied and improved their hardware.

[Daskworx]

GeeMunkey wrote...

The Dream Team

Oh yes! Me Bro and me Girl, Come on you Reapers!

[Geth Knight]

Soban wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

Where is this hint?

BW says that if you cheat on your ME1 LI in ME2, there is a confrontation in ME3

[sm00thie88]

Where is my fellow KFD? Got a report waiting

[alickar]

Geth Knight wrote...

Soban wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

Where is this hint?

BW says that if you cheat on your ME1 LI in ME2, there is a confrontation in ME3

then if thts the case both ur LIs have to be on ur squad  for confrontation to happen hmmm interesting

[Raniall]

Geth Knight wrote...

Soban wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

Where is this hint?

BW says that if you cheat on your ME1 LI in ME2, there is a confrontation in ME3

Good, a Tali v. Liara throwdown will be good only to make sure that Liara gets put in her place. Nothing against her but I've got Tali's back.

[Soban]

Geth Knight wrote...

Soban wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

Where is this hint?

BW says that if you cheat on your ME1 LI in ME2, there is a confrontation in ME3

Part of me is like Ashley/Liara/Tali catfight, awesome! The outher part of me remembers that someone said the game thinks that you romaced Ashley or Liara in the first game no matter what and goes aw crap.

[Phil725]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

I'm the opposite actually, I absolutely hated the follow up email.  It just struck me as Bioware saying "we know there is absolutely no way that two intelligent adults could think they're still a couple at this point, but you're stuck anyway."  I seriously have no idea how Bioware can justify not having an option to break up with your ME1 LI's.  It isn't like Ashley got surprised by Shepard being alive like Tali on Freedom's Progress, Ashley had everything except a confirmation.  She had plenty of time to organize her feelings.  She chose to follow the alliance blindly as opposed to her supposed soul mate.

Her actions make sense as someone who became good friends with Shepard, not as someone who loves him.  I'm sorry, if I'm in love with someone, they better believe me over idiotic propaganda.  She comes across like the mindless Krogan on Grunt's recruitment.  Following the Alliance because she has to.

As far as hurting her in ME3.  I wouldn't do it if Bioware gave me a choice, but they didn't.  I would have ended things cordially every time if given the option.  I don't feel bad for anything that happens to Ashley, the onus for that is on Bioware.

[DrakeforBake]

Geth Knight wrote...

Soban wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

Where is this hint?

BW says that if you cheat on your ME1 LI in ME2, there is a confrontation in ME3

I'm not worried, I'm sure I'll have enough Paragon/Renegade saved up to force a threesome.

*That was a joke*

I didn't romance anyone in ME1 so I've skipped that entire episode which makes me a bit sad but really I don't like the ME1 LI's enough to bother setting up the confrontation. It would just be an excuse to pick Tali again and I'm not that shallow(best word I could think up to fit that description).

[Geth Knight]

Raniall wrote...

Geth Knight wrote...

Soban wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

Where is this hint?

BW says that if you cheat on your ME1 LI in ME2, there is a confrontation in ME3

Good, a Tali v. Liara throwdown will be good only to make sure that Liara gets put in her place. Nothing against her but I've got Tali's back.

My male Shepard romanced Ash in ME1. Its gonna be a Ash vs. Tali fight. Hope there is an interupt like Samara vs Morinth.  bye bye Ash. Have a nice fall.

[alickar]

DrakeforBake wrote...

Geth Knight wrote...

Soban wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

Where is this hint?

BW says that if you cheat on your ME1 LI in ME2, there is a confrontation in ME3

I'm not worried, I'm sure I'll have enough Paragon/Renegade saved up to force a threesome.

*That was a joke*

I didn't romance anyone in ME1 so I've skipped that entire episode which makes me a bit sad but really I don't like the ME1 LI's enough to bother setting up the confrontation. It would just be an excuse to pick Tali again and I'm not that shallow(best word I could think up to fit that description).

this gives hint tht most or all ur team from ME1 and ME2 weill be returning as squaddies since LI confrontation

[Phil725]

Soban wrote...

Geth Knight wrote...

Soban wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

Where is this hint?

BW says that if you cheat on your ME1 LI in ME2, there is a confrontation in ME3

Part of me is like Ashley/Liara/Tali catfight, awesome! The outher part of me remembers that someone said the game thinks that you romaced Ashley or Liara in the first game no matter what and goes aw crap.

Yeah, between the default import having a romance from ME1, and having no way to break up in ME2, there is no way they can justify serious consequences.  Nothing more than a small conversation.

[Raniall]

Alright, time to head out. Have a good evening Talimancers



Keelah se'lai

[alickar]

Raniall wrote...

Alright, time to head out. Have a good evening Talimancers

Keelah se'lai

bye

[The_KFD_Case]

Soban wrote...

Where is this hint?

Not sure. It's been mentioned by BioWare in some interview or other that there will be potentially uncomfortable consequences for the players that romanced one LI in ME1 and switched to a different LI in ME2 come ME3.

[Archonsg]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Hm. That would raise a two-part moral dilemma for me. First of all, the true Geth do not appear to be mindlessly aggressive if Legion's commentary is accurate. Quite the contrary; based upon Legion's descriptions the Geth may in fact be amongst the most tolerant and enlightened sapient factions in known galactic society (quite ironic yet possibly fitting given their history and synthetic status). Secondly, I don't trust Xen's machinations further than I could throw her which probably isn't all that far. The thought of her, or anyone else for that matter (including humanity), having unhindered access to a synthetic army possibly numbering in the billions makes me uneasy.

Off topic but, you know...what is it with Claudia Black that she she likes playing these really "bent" characters? I mean I love her voice, REALLY love her voice but she plays these whacked out loonies. Loved her character from Farscape and Morrigan, though with Morrigan its a more love-hate thing. And now with Admiral Xen, yet another nutcase.

Back on topic.
Admiral Xen will be the cause of strife for the Quarian people for sure either by her own folly with an experiment failed, or she becomes too successful and actually turn against her own people as she is clearly only concerned with her own power, under the guise of "reclaiming" the Quarian's rightful slaves. With an army of synthetics it is feasible that she will likely disrupt any plans for any peaceful co-existance with the "true geths" since that will not gel with her plans to "recliam" the geths as slaves and servants.

[DrakeforBake]

alickar wrote...

this gives hint tht most or all ur team from ME1 and ME2 weill be returning as squaddies since LI confrontation

I certainly hope so, I miss Wrex so much and Grunt as good as he is, ain't Wrex.

Also, Liara and Ashley/Kaidan got almost zero presentation in the game, I may not like them but I have no reason not to give them a chance.

Really the Ash /Kai fans got really screwed. I'd have gone nuts if they pulled this on Tali.

[huntrrz]

Raniall wrote...

I hope there is an option to "deal" with Xen in ME3. That ***** deserves a hole in the head from a sniper rilfe.

Best revenge?  Beating her in a debate in the Conclave and forcing her resignation or impeachment.

(Hmmm...  Forcing the Admiralty Board's hands by convincing the Conclave to pass something the Board is compelled to veto, forcing them to resign en masse...)

[Archonsg]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Soban wrote...

Where is this hint?

Not sure. It's been mentioned by BioWare in some interview or other that there will be potentially uncomfortable consequences for the players that romanced one LI in ME1 and switched to a different LI in ME2 come ME3.

Ya. I am keeping one playthrough with *exactly* that just so to see what happens.